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Visual development tool for page flow & workflow

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Raven - 17 Jul 2004 17:22 GMT
Hello everyone

I'm from South Africa and currently busy on a project that entails the
development of an e-commerce system. Specifications state that
development needs to be based on Java technology, with which my team
has problems, due to the lack of intuitive development tools such as
Visual Studio. What I am currently searching for is a visual tool to
model page flow as well as work flow processes, from which at least a
functioning basis of Java code can be generated, and deployed onto a
Application server. Important is that the learning curve be kept at a
minimum, such that productivity can be accomplished in a minimal time
duration.  If anyone knows of something, please let me know ASAP.

Thank you very much
Raven
cchang@m7.com - 18 Jul 2004 06:55 GMT
Raven,

First let me be up front an say that I work for M7, makers of NitroX
for Struts and JSP.  Given your requirements, you might consider
NitroX (debut last month at JavaOne) given it's strength in visual and
source level development for JSP and Struts.  Edits to visual/source
are simultaneous and synch in real time.  It's a nice way to
understand and develop an application.  But really, the core beauty is
in it's ability to view a web application as a whole, that is, the
environment is integrated and aware of all the JSP, Struts and Java
artifacts that make up a web application.  It is (almost) refactoring
through all layers of a web application.  Whether you're working on
jsp, java, struts, changes and errors are detected during development
time, rather than deployment.  I could go on, but it would likely be
considered contived.  The truth is in the product.  There's a free
trial, and it's based on Eclipse 3.0 (which it includes in the
install, or you can point to an existing installation of eclipse)
www.m7.com

Good luck!

-Carlos

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Raven - 25 Jul 2004 16:10 GMT
Hello Carlos

Thank you very much for posting your message. I had a look at your
product, and its does provide allot of the functionality that I am
looking for. However there is a problem, your technology uses Struts
as the basis for the executions of page flows. Struts however posses a
limit, that is, that it is not able to execute a process
asynchronously. For the project that I am currently working on this is
a must for workflow purposes. Off course I could provide a workaround,
but then the whole thing becomes to complex again, especially for the
skills of the current team. Anyway, after long searching, I found
something in the news groups that lead me to a company named
skynamics. They provide a technology named revologic, which provides
exactly this functionality that I am looking for. One can model page
flow and workflow through an intuitive tool, and it also already
provides a built-in user role management system, that apparently can
be used to control client access right down to a single component of a
JSP page. It looks like a real mature tool, and the demo seems to run
fairly stable.
All I can say, have a look a www.revologic.com, it is very
interesting.

-- Raven

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cchang@m7.com - 28 Jul 2004 18:27 GMT
Raven,

I briefly looked at their web site and it appears they use their own
propritary framework.  That may suit your needs and if you're
comfortable with that, then that's good.  We've found that many
customers want a standard's based solution in order to mitigate risks.

Good luck,

-cArlos

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shay - 03 Aug 2004 20:11 GMT
Check out Oracle JDeveloper - you get a visual page flow modeler that
generates Struts page flows.
http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/viewlets/10g/StrutsViewlet_viewlet_swf.html
you can also use an activity modeler to design process flows.
http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/viewlets/10g/UMLActivityModeling_viewlet_swf.html
And you'll get visual application development for HTML/JSP or Swing -
like you are used to from the VB environment.

Download at http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev


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