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Editors/IDE as extensible, customizable and opened as Eclipse, HTML-Kit or jEdit

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Jean-Marc Molina - 21 May 2004 11:46 GMT
Hello,

I'm looking for editors and IDE as extensible, customizable and opened as
Eclipse, HTML-Kit or jEdit.

Websites :
- Eclipse : http://www.eclipse.org/
- HTML-Kit : http://www.chami.com/html-kit/
- jEdit : http://www.jedit.org/

Software descriptions and features :
- Eclipse : ? Eclipse is a kind of universal tool platform - an open
extensible IDE for anything and nothing in particular. ?
- HTML-Kit : ? Over 350 free plugins are available for extending and
customizing HTML-Kit to fit the way you work. ?
- jEdit : ? Built-in macro language; extensible plugin architecture. Dozens
of macros and plugins available. ?

Only Eclipse and jEdit are opened, but they're all extensible, so
customizable. Many other softwares try to be as extensible and opened, in
some way, as the Eclipse Project :
- Macromedia Dreamweaver : You can easily develop JavaScript extensions to
extend this famous WYSIWYG HTML editor but as it's not 100% extensible, you
can't do the ? anything and nothing in particular ? of Eclipse.
- Adobe Photoshop : Since CS you can extend this image editing software,
before only a SDK was provided.
- Discreet 3D Studio Max : You can extend this 3d graphics software both
using MAXScript and the SDK. However there are things you can do with the
SDK that you can't do with MAXScript (3dsmax 3).
...

I discovered Eclipse a few years ago and since then I only found a few tools
as impressive as it. The first was HTML-Kit, hundreds of plugins, supports
many scripting languages but there're some limitations and the project has
not been updated for a long time now. A few weeks ago, I discovered jEdit
while searching for an alternative to my buggy Notetab Light, a powerful
text editor. I don't know everything about it yet but it's one of the most
well polished and designed software I have ever seen.

I know a few extensible softwares, graphics tools, programming editors or
IDE... But I still believe there are some great extensible softwares I don't
know, not yet. Maybe there's even an Eclipse killer :).

JM
shay - 21 May 2004 19:47 GMT
How about Oracle JDeveloper.
It has an SDK that let you do whatever you want with the IDE:
http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev
And specifically about the SDK:
http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/htdocs/partners/addins/index.html
Jean-Marc Molina - 22 May 2004 09:12 GMT
Hello,

> http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev

The download link from the download page is broken, I got an error : ?
Sorry, this page was not found. (ErrorDocument 500) ... ?. I tried an over
and try to create a new account but had the same error.

> http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/htdocs/partners/addins/index.html

Interesting but I guess it's not as opened as Eclipse, they're talking about
partners.

Thanks for the info, I didn't know that IDE, however I can't download it so
I guess I will have to try it again later.

JM
shay - 25 May 2004 00:41 GMT

> Interesting but I guess it's not as opened as Eclipse, they're talking about
> partners.

Actually anyone can use the SDK and not just partners. There are even
some open source extensions for JDeveloper (Jalopy, PMD and others).
The full javadoc for it comes with JDeveloper and you can download
samples of extension code from OTN.

The download link works for me now, you might want to try it again.
http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev
Jean-Marc Molina - 25 May 2004 08:53 GMT
> The download link works for me now, you might want to try it again.
> http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev

I tried it again and now I can register but I found a weird State/Province
field on the registration form : Armed Forces Asia/Europe/Pacific. As I'm
french I really wonder what it means.

> Actually anyone can use the SDK and not just partners. There are even
some open source extensions for JDeveloper (Jalopy, PMD and others).
The full javadoc for it comes with JDeveloper and you can download
samples of extension code from OTN.

Nice maybe it's my way to learn Oracle, I only know the MySQL and SQLite
DBMS.

JM
Tim Roberts - 26 May 2004 06:13 GMT
>> The download link works for me now, you might want to try it again.
>> http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev
>
>I tried it again and now I can register but I found a weird State/Province
>field on the registration form : Armed Forces Asia/Europe/Pacific. As I'm
>french I really wonder what it means.

In the United States postal system, letters intended for members of the
Armed Forces, who tend to be spread out and mobile, are addressed using a
special "state" name: APO or FPO.  The post office routes these to the
appropriate branch of the service, who then delivers them to the field.

You're just seeing that special state name spelled out.
Signature

- Tim Roberts, timr@probo.com
 Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.

Jean-Marc Molina - 25 May 2004 08:56 GMT
I tried to register and got the following error :
?  We're sorry.

An unexpected system exception has occurred. Cannot proceed further.

If you have questions regarding registration, please contact us.  ?

Nice :)

JM
Harri Pesonen - 21 May 2004 22:20 GMT
How about NetBeans:
http://www.netbeans.org/

It is an free open source IDE for creating Java applications, written in
Java. Quote:

"NetBeans IDE - A world-class, professional IDE (Integrated Development
Environment) - The NetBeans IDE is the Platform (see below) plus modules
that include things such as an editor, tools for working with source
code (Java, C++ and others), version control, and a lot more.

* Advanced syntax highlighting, error checking code editor
* Support for the Java, C, C++, XML and HTML languages
* Pluggable support for compilers, debuggers and execution services
* Support for JSP, XML, RMI, CORBA, JINI, JDBC and Servlet technologies
* Support for Ant, CVS and other version control systems
* Visual design tools
* Wizards and code generation and management tools
* Cross-platform
"

Harri

> Hello,
>
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>
> JM
Jean-Marc Molina - 22 May 2004 09:25 GMT
Hello Harri,

> How about NetBeans:

I already NetBeans and it's an amazing IDE. It has features that Eclipse
doesn't have yet, like the visual form editor, moreover it's bundled with
the Java SDK. NetBeans reminds me of Sun OpenOffice.org but I wonder if
Eclipse is related to NetBeans in some way. For example I wonder why there
are PHP plugins for Eclipse but not for NetBeans.

Thanks,
JM
I H H - 18 Jun 2004 13:13 GMT
I visited netbeans site, and there's heavy load of info. So could you (or
anyone) give clear definition what's different between Nebeans IDE and
Platform. Which should I use (I code mostly perl, hmtl, sometimes C++ and
Java)?

> How about NetBeans:
> http://www.netbeans.org/
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> > customizing HTML-Kit to fit the way you work. ?
> > - jEdit : ? Built-in macro language; extensible plugin architecture.
Dozens
> > of macros and plugins available. ?
> >
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> >
> > JM
David Segall - 18 Jun 2004 15:03 GMT
>I visited netbeans site, and there's heavy load of info. So could you (or
>anyone) give clear definition what's different between Nebeans IDE and
>Platform. Which should I use (I code mostly perl, hmtl, sometimes C++ and
>Java)?
You are only interested in the IDE which you can use to develop any
Java application. NetBeans already "understands" HTML and you may be
able to find plug-ins so that you can also use it with other
languages.

Some day you may wish to use the platform as the basis for an
application that looks like NetBeans but is used to "edit" and
"compile" something else. An example given in the excellent book,
"NetBeans The Definitive Guide"
(http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/netbeans/index.html), is an editor for
music scores, The equivalent of compiling is playing the music. An
early version of the book is available for free download from
http://www.netbeans.org/community/articles/NetBeanstheDefinitiveGuide.html.

If you prefer computer based instruction it may suit you to download
Sun One Studio 4 Community Edition from
http://jsecom16d.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet?StoreId=8&PartDetailId=FJCI9-401
-TL9M&TransactionId=try&LMLoadBalanced
=
and enrol in the free training courses for it at
http://suned.sun.com/US/catalog/courses/WFB-100-180.html. The
transition from the, now superceded, Sun One to NetBeans is trivial.

>> How about NetBeans:
>> http://www.netbeans.org/
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>> >
>> > JM


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