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[ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10g production is now available for download.

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shay - 14 Apr 2004 17:07 GMT
Oracle today released the new Oracle JDeveloper 10g.
The focus of this version is on simplifying J2EE to enable more
developers to join the Java camp. However, experienced developers will
find many useful features for them too.

A partial list of the new features:

Visual Struts page flow modeler for the struts-config.xml file
Visual layout editor for JSP/HTML and Swing applications
Deployment wizards for Oracle AS, Weblogic, JBoss, Tomcat
Drag and Drop data binding to JSP and Swing UI. (works for EJB, Web
services, JavaBeans, Toplink and Oracle ADF Business components)
UML modeling and code generation for Java classes, EJB, database
objects, and Web services.
Design pattern implementation for EJB
Integrated TopLink for O/R and persistence
Web services wizards and WS-I support
Improved code editor for Java, JSP, XML, PL/SQL, HTML
XML Schema visual editor
Hot Swap debugger
Code audits and metrics
And much more

The MVC based Oracle Application Development Framework (Oracle ADF)
brings all these features together to create a complete application
development process. The framework uses Struts as the controller, and
provides an innovative model layer (the basis for JSR-227) that let
you easily bind EJB, Web services, Javabeans, TopLink, or ADF Business
Components to Web interfaces through simple drag and drop procedures.

The resulting project can be deployed to any J2EE server and work with
any database.

Download the complete product with no time limit at
http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev

Oracle JDeveloper license is $995.
steve - 17 Apr 2004 22:53 GMT
> Oracle today released the new Oracle JDeveloper 10g.
> The focus of this version is on simplifying J2EE to enable more
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>
> Oracle JDeveloper license is $995.

it's actually 9.05 with a 10g "intro screen", I certainly would not pay $1000
for the program.
the only thing it's got going for it over Eclipse is the visual layout, but
even that is seriously flawed.

steve
shay - 18 Apr 2004 17:24 GMT
> > Oracle today released the new Oracle JDeveloper 10g.
> > The focus of this version is on simplifying J2EE to enable more
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>
> steve

Oh realy?
Can you specify where in eclipse do you get any of the following?
Visual Struts page flow modeler for the struts-config.xml file
Visual layout editor for JSP/HTML and Swing applications
Deployment wizards for Oracle AS, Weblogic, JBoss, Tomcat
Drag and Drop data binding to JSP and Swing UI. (works for EJB, Web
services, JavaBeans, Toplink and Oracle ADF Business components)
UML modeling and code generation for Java classes, EJB, database
objects, and Web services.
Design pattern implementation for EJB
Integrated TopLink for O/R and persistence
Web services wizards and WS-I support
XML Schema visual editor
Code audits and metrics

To get these types of things you'll need to start hunting down and
buying a huge number of eclipse plug-in. By the time you finish up
finding and paying for all of those, and making sure they all work
together without crahing your eclipse, you'll spend so much developer
time that the developer salary for the time spent will certainly be
more than the $995 you pay for JDevelopper.

In any case I wouldn't put Eclipse and JDev in the same level of IDE.
Eclipse and Intellij is one level.
JDeveloper, JBuilder, IBM WSAD - are in a different lebel of
functionality. And in this group, You can't get a better value for
your money than JDeveloper.
natG - 18 Apr 2004 17:42 GMT
>>>Oracle today released the new Oracle JDeveloper 10g.
>>>The focus of this version is on simplifying J2EE to enable more
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> functionality. And in this group, You can't get a better value for
> your money than JDeveloper.
Hi Shay;
I switched from jDeveloper 9.0.3 to Netbeans to Eclipse about a year
ago, and have been monitoring jDeveloper news ever since.
Regarding persistence, does Toplink provide transparent persistence, say
something like Hibernate? Also, when you say "Integrated Toplink";
integrated with what? With the ide, appserver (which), or both? Do I
need a middle tier to utilize Toplink?
Also, does the code-editor support folding/collapsing methods/classes?
Also, is (are) there Oracle newsgroup(s)? I find the forums too slow.
I wish you all (Oracle, Eclipse, Netbeans) the BEST! It makes things
better for us developers.
-nat
shay - 19 Apr 2004 18:03 GMT
natG <natgrossDOTrentalsystems@verizon.net> wrote in message
> Regarding persistence, does Toplink provide transparent persistence, say
> something like Hibernate? Also, when you say "Integrated Toplink";
> integrated with what? With the ide, appserver (which), or both? Do I
> need a middle tier to utilize Toplink?

I am not a TopLink expert. So I would recommend that you'll ask your
toplink/hibernate question on the TopLink forum here:
http://forums.oracle.com/forums/forum.jsp?forum=48

As far as integration of TopLink - I meant intgeration with the IDE.
(But toplink is also integrated with the appserver). Basically when
you use toplink you get a visual environment where you do your mapping
of Java object to database object. This is now available as part of
Oracle JDeveloper.
See this online demo:
http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/viewlets/10g/TLmapEditorXP_viewlet_swf.html
You don't have to use a middle tier for toplink, it can work with
simple Java objects and doesn't require you to use EJBs (although EJB
deployment is one of its options).
For more on TopLink -
http://otn.oracle.com/products/ias/toplink/index.html

> Also, does the code-editor support folding/collapsing methods/classes?
Not yet but this is high on our priority list for the next version.
> Also, is (are) there Oracle newsgroup(s)? I find the forums too slow.
The best place to discuss Oracle is on the OTN discussion forums.
The JDeveloper forum is here:
http://otn.oracle.com/discussionforums/jdev.html
Others are here: http://forums.oracle.com/forums/index.jsp?cat=9

> I wish you all (Oracle, Eclipse, Netbeans) the BEST! It makes things
> better for us developers.
> -nat
natG - 19 Apr 2004 23:49 GMT
> natG <natgrossDOTrentalsystems@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
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> http://otn.oracle.com/discussionforums/jdev.html
> Others are here: http://forums.oracle.com/forums/index.jsp?cat=9
Thank you much;
-nat


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