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Dirk Schnelle - 16 Apr 2004 09:00 GMT

Hi,

I hope this does not produce too many nasty comments.

All my friends work with eclipse. I also noticed that they have the
fastest growing community. There seem to be an eclipse hype out there.

It seems that this has reached also some firms, who want to switch to
eclipse.

Until now I use JBuilder for my programmings and am quiet happy with it.
But there come some rumours in the background of my brain, saying: You
should give eclipse a try.

Can you name me some advantages, besides the price, that can convince me
to use eclipse?

/Dirk

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Robert Klemme - 16 Apr 2004 10:44 GMT

> Hi,
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> Can you name me some advantages, besides the price, that can convince me
> to use eclipse?

Superior CVS integration.
Automated compilation so you'll always see errors.
IMHO better navigation.
...

robert

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Dirk Schnelle - 16 Apr 2004 11:35 GMT

> Superior CVS integration.

Yes, there are some problems with the cvs integration.

> Automated compilation so you'll always see errors.

This exists in JBuilder, too. You get the wrong passages underlined with
a red sinuous line and a node in in the detail view so that you can easily
navigate to each error.

> IMHO better navigation.

In which way?
/Dirk

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Robert Klemme - 19 Apr 2004 10:15 GMT

> > Superior CVS integration.
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> > IMHO better navigation.
> In which way?

I find the way you can navigate via method calls and invocations better.
And there's much more ways to search for occurrences of something in the
code (i.e. type references, method invocations, constructor calls...)

robert

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Josef Garvi - 16 Apr 2004 12:55 GMT

> Can you name me some advantages, besides the price, that can convince me
> to use eclipse?

Probably depending on which version of JBuilder one uses:
- refactoring.

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Josef Garvi - 16 Apr 2004 14:00 GMT

> Can you name me some advantages, besides the price, that can convince me
> to use eclipse?

When you use classes from other packages, you can make a couple of clicks
and get them imported into your current class. No need to write import
statements.
There are also many other such intelligent corrections that Eclipse can
help you do. I.e. surrounding a method that throws exceptions with an
appropriate try/catch block.

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Stefan Waldmann - 16 Apr 2004 15:20 GMT

Hi!

> When you use classes from other packages, you can make a couple of
> clicks and get them imported into your current class. No need to write
> import statements.
> There are also many other such intelligent corrections that Eclipse can
> help you do. I.e. surrounding a method that throws exceptions with an
> appropriate try/catch block.

In JBuilder X the functions you are mentioning do exist, too. Like
surrounding try/catch block (Ctrl-Shift-c) or importing (or creating)
unknown classes via mouse click.
And since JBuilder X, unused imports and fields are also shown to the
developer, like Eclipse does in it's tasks.

What's better in JBuilder is the code formatting (which has much more
configuration possibilities than Eclipse has). Furthermore, creating and
handling projects is much simpler and much more intuitive in JBuilder
than it is in Eclipse.

Just my 2 cents...

However, the price-performance ratio of Eclipse is unbeatable ;-)

Regards,
Stefan

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Dirk Michaelsen - 19 Apr 2004 07:03 GMT

Hi Stefan,

> What's better in JBuilder is the code formatting (which has much more
> configuration possibilities than Eclipse has). Furthermore, creating and
> handling projects is much simpler and much more intuitive in JBuilder
> than it is in Eclipse.

with JBuilder Comunity Edidion you can' compile J2EE code. If you want
to you will have to buy the Enterprise Edition.

Eclipse compiles everything ;-)

cu
Dirk

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Robert Klemme - 19 Apr 2004 10:18 GMT

> What's better in JBuilder is the code formatting (which has much more
> configuration possibilities than Eclipse has).

AFAIK they are already taking care of that i.e. there will be a new code
formatter in 3.x.

> Furthermore, creating and
> handling projects is much simpler and much more intuitive in JBuilder
> than it is in Eclipse.

Hmmm, that maybe is a question of whether you use CVS or not and of
personal likes. I find JBuilder and Eclipse equally good at this while
NetBeans gives me headaches here. :-)

Regards

robert

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Stefan Waldmann - 20 Apr 2004 13:14 GMT

Another advantage of JBuilder: it shows missing or erroneous javadoc
tags as Javadoc conflicts. AFAIK Eclipse can't do that sort of thing.

stefan DOT waldmann AT web DOT de

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Florian B?tow - 16 Apr 2004 15:22 GMT

What I especially like about eclipse is the ease of use and
the modularity eclipse has. A simple glance at all the
openly and comercially availabe plugins for it can be fund here:

http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net/eclipse/plugins.jsp;jsessionid=3B16B47E7FDD2D0A7E9
53D0D69BF7C49

Eclipse uses the graphic libs of the operating sytem to be displayed
which makes it faster than pure java ide's.

Hope that helps :-)

Florian

> Hi,
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> /Dirk

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natG - 16 Apr 2004 16:36 GMT

> Hi,
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> /Dirk

Glad you brought this up. Am a satisfied Eclipse user myself (many
reasons too numerous to list), but have been having second thoughts
lately due to the new ide's (also free) just released by Sun. Namely,
Netbeans 3.6 (which claims to be a major re-haul) and the new "Creator"
something ide. Also, since I switched to Eclipse from jDeveloper, Oracle
has released a new version, correcting many shortcomings that tied it to
Oracle technology. It is now open to many mid-tier servers and back-end
databases.
I don't see Eclipse evolving as quickly, but am still hanging on!

-nat

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steve - 19 Apr 2004 22:54 GMT

> Hi,
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> /Dirk

The main problem as always , is transporting your code base.

Jdeveloper 10i for example, allows construction of visual interfaces, using a
GUI, but it does so in a manner that allows any java source code to be
brought into jeveloper & displayed visually ( small mod needed to code)
It does not re-generate the visual code each time you make a change using the
GUI.

now if you try to bring that code base into netbeans /eclipse, then your in
for a rough ride, because they do the Visual components in a different
manner.

steve

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