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Java Forum / Tools / October 2006Comparing Eclipse and NetBeans
Java.sun.com, Sun's main Java site, has a new article up(http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/ditzel_qa.html) that compares NetBeans with Eclipse. In it, Sun's Charles Ditzel claims: -- NetBeans is a far simpler download with far greater functionality. For instance, he says, "to build a graphical user interface (GUI), NetBeans provides the NetBeans IDE GUI Builder, the best free Java technology-based GUI builder. Eclipse 3.1 requires you to download Visual Editor Project, which is another 7 or 8 megabytes, and has nowhere near the features of the NetBeans IDE GUI Builder. If you want to build a Struts, JavaServer Pages (JSP), or JavaServer Faces technology-based web application with the NetBeans IDE, it's already included, whereas with Eclipse, you have to download a 180+ megabyte Web Tools Platform (WTP) project that lacks Struts support and requires yet another module for JavaServer Faces technology support." -- He admits that Eclipse is addressing compatibility issues with Callisto, but says the "jury is still out". My experience is mostly with NetBeans. Question: Is Ditzel giving a straight story or just being a shill for Sun, where he works? Would anyone who has knowledge of both Eclipse and NetBeans care to take what he says on? Or, for that matter, confirm it? > Java.sun.com, Sun's main Java site, has a new article > up(http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/ditzel_qa.html) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > anyone who has knowledge of both Eclipse and NetBeans care to take what > he says on? Or, for that matter, confirm it? Rather than I waste words why don't you download it and find out for yourself. It is not a real big deal. I have both Netbeans 6.0Dev and Eclipse 3.2.1 on my windows XP SP 2 system.  SignatureThanks in Advance... IchBin, Pocono Lake, Pa, USA http://weconsultants.phpnet.us __________________________________________________________________________ 'If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"' -William E. Taylor, Regular Guy (1952-) I prefer NetBeans to Eclipse. I don't use either very often (preferring unix/vi/bash/perl/ant). My favorite thing about NetBeans is how I can import projects, use NetBeans for what it does well, and go back to previous environment. I find Eclipse to be bad at imports. I do like Eclipse with Struts for making JSPs and servlets. opalpa opalpa@gmail.com http://opalpa.info/ > I prefer NetBeans to Eclipse. I don't use either very often > (preferring unix/vi/bash/perl/ant). > > My favorite thing about NetBeans is how I can import projects, use > NetBeans for what it does well, and go back to previous environment. I > find Eclipse to be bad at imports. Interesting. Just to publish the exact other experience (not for debate's sake but to demonstrate how different user experience can be => everybody needs to judge for himself): I never had problems with importing projects in Eclipse while on the other hand I dropped NetBeans because I find all the project and settings handling awkward (note, this was in NB4). As said, it's probably best, to find out for oneself - especially because the usage scenarios for both products are so many. Kind regards robert > Java.sun.com, Sun's main Java site, has a new article > up(http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/ditzel_qa.html) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > anyone who has knowledge of both Eclipse and NetBeans care to take what > he says on? Or, for that matter, confirm it? There are Eclipse plugins for Maven and Tapestry. Do those plugins exist for NetBeans? Where can I get them? > Java.sun.com, Sun's main Java site, has a new article > up(http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/ditzel_qa.html) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > anyone who has knowledge of both Eclipse and NetBeans care to take what > he says on? Or, for that matter, confirm it? The only part I have much experience in is Eclipse, and he's greatly exaggerating the size of the downloads. The 150MB d/l for WTP would be the all-in-one download. If you alreay hav eclipse installed, the wtp itself and all its dependencies are nowhere near that size. Does Netbeans do C the way eclipse can with another plug-in? Can it be extended for other uses than java and related stuff? I use eclipse for .asp development as well as java; can Netbeans do that? SignatureRemove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the newsgroups if possible). > Does Netbeans do C the way eclipse can with another plug-in? According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbeans, the answer is yes. If you read the title of the article - "Tools Talk: A Conversation With Java Technology Evangelist Charles Ditzel" - you have the answer for most of your questions :-) If you have the corresponding article from Charles opposite number in the Eclipse Foundation, Wayne Beaton, he would have found an equal number of points in favor of Eclipse, RCP and the tools. Both of these people are evangelists - and fortunately public about this fact - and as such they are supposed to find points in favor of their "own" product. The truth is that both products are fine for their intended areas: Netbeans seems to be stronger when it comes to GUI development, whereas Eclipse seems stronger when it comes to plugin support in the basic product, model support (EMF and GEF), an independent platform (RCP) and support for obscure languages :-) Of cause, YMMW... /tonny ps. I'm likely to be biased as I have started The RCP Company, rcp-company.com, based on the Eclipse platform. We don't really compare or judge NetBeans versus Eclipse; We prefer to compare Microsoft .Net and Eclipse RCP. > Java.sun.com, Sun's main Java site, has a new article > up(http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/ditzel_qa....) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > anyone who has knowledge of both Eclipse and NetBeans care to take what > he says on? Or, for that matter, confirm it? If you read the title of the article - "Tools Talk: A Conversation With Java Technology Evangelist Charles Ditzel" - you have the answer for most of your questions :-) If you have the corresponding article from Charles opposite number in the Eclipse Foundation, Wayne Beaton, he would have found an equal number of points in favor of Eclipse, RCP and the tools. Both of these people are evangelists - and fortunately public about this fact - and as such they are supposed to find points in favor of their "own" product. The truth is that both products are fine for their intended areas: Netbeans seems to be stronger when it comes to GUI development, whereas Eclipse seems stronger when it comes to plugin support in the basic product, model support (EMF and GEF), an independent platform (RCP) and support for obscure languages :-) Of cause, YMMW... /tonny ps. I'm likely to be biased as I have started The RCP Company, rcp-company.com, based on the Eclipse platform. We don't really compare or judge NetBeans versus Eclipse; We prefer to compare Microsoft .Net and Eclipse RCP. > Java.sun.com, Sun's main Java site, has a new article > up(http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/ditzel_qa....) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > anyone who has knowledge of both Eclipse and NetBeans care to take what > he says on? Or, for that matter, confirm it? Sorry about the double post... Have a look at http://www.google.com/trends?q=netbeans%2C+eclipse&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all to see the thrends from a search engine point-of-view... /tonny > Java.sun.com, Sun's main Java site, has a new article > up(http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/ditzel_qa....) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > anyone who has knowledge of both Eclipse and NetBeans care to take what > he says on? Or, for that matter, confirm it? Thanks for all these comments; they are helpful. It's clear that these matters are somewhat subjective and your perspective is likely to vary according to your needs and expectations. These comments confirm that both Eclipse and NetBeans have varying strengths and weaknesses and that it's hard to generalize much... When time allows, I'll check out Eclipse in more details... > Sorry about the double post... > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > anyone who has knowledge of both Eclipse and NetBeans care to take what > > he says on? Or, for that matter, confirm it?- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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