Hello, Greg!
You wrote  on 22 Oct 2003 15:48:16 -0700:

GI> Tried getting IT to let me download an open-source product (like "NetBeans"), but that
GI> didn't go over too well (don't like the licensed "As Is" clause, want someone to point a
GI> finger at in case something goes wrong). The most I can get my manager to pay for a Java
GI> IDE is $500 ($300 or less is a much more comfortable asking price).

GI> Anyone know of a good IDE that I use for J2SE, but as my skill set grows could also
GI> handle JSP, J2ME, etc? I wnat something that I can learn with, but won't have to discard
GI> if I want to start creating full-fledged applications later on (i.e., BlueJ etc, won't
GI> work).
Have your IT read Sun's Java license?
Excerpt:
 5. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY.  UNLESS SPECIFIED IN THIS AGREEMENT, ALL
    EXPRESS OR IMPLIED CONDITIONS, REPRESENTATIONS AND WARRANTIES,
    INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A
    PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR NON-INFRINGEMENT ARE DISCLAIMED, EXCEPT TO THE
    EXTENT THAT THESE DISCLAIMERS ARE HELD TO BE LEGALLY INVALID.

 6. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY.  TO THE EXTENT NOT PROHIBITED BY LAW, IN NO
    EVENT WILL SUN OR ITS LICENSORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY LOST REVENUE, PROFIT
    OR DATA, OR FOR SPECIAL, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL, INCIDENTAL OR
    PUNITIVE DAMAGES, HOWEVER CAUSED REGARDLESS OF THE THEORY OF LIABILITY,
    ARISING OUT OF OR RELATED TO THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE SOFTWARE,
    EVEN IF SUN HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.  In no
    event will Sun's liability to you, whether in contract, tort (including
    negligence), or otherwise, exceed the amount paid by you for Software
    under this Agreement.  The foregoing limitations will apply even if the
    above stated warranty fails of its essential purpose. Some states do
    not allow the exclusion of incidental or consequential damages, so some
    of the terms above may not be applicable to you.

So why bother with 'as is' statement for NetBeans???
What about Sun ONE Studio (NetBeans sold and licensed by Sun)?

Regards
Illya Kysil, software developer
Delphi/C/C++/C#/Java/Forth/Assembler
If it is NOT SOURCE, it is NOT SOFTWARE. (C) NASA

Hello, Greg!
You wrote  on 22 Oct 2003 15:48:16 -0700:

GI> Tried getting IT to let me download an open-source product (like "NetBeans"), but that
GI> didn't go over too well (don't like the licensed "As Is" clause, want someone to point a
GI> finger at in case something goes wrong). The most I can get my manager to pay for a Java
GI> IDE is $500 ($300 or less is a much more comfortable asking price).

GI> Anyone know of a good IDE that I use for J2SE, but as my skill set grows could also
GI> handle JSP, J2ME, etc? I wnat something that I can learn with, but won't have to discard
GI> if I want to start creating full-fledged applications later on (i.e., BlueJ etc, won't
GI> work).
Have your IT read Sun's Java license?
Excerpt:
 4. LIMITED WARRANTY.  Sun warrants to you that for a period of ninety (90)
    days from the date of purchase, as evidenced by a copy of the receipt,
    the media on which Software is furnished (if any) will be free of
    defects in materials and workmanship under normal use.  Except for the
    foregoing, Software is provided "AS IS".  Your exclusive remedy and
    Sun's entire liability under this limited warranty will be at Sun's
    option to replace Software media or refund the fee paid for Software.
    Any implied warranties on the Software are limited to 90 days. Some
    states do not allow limitations on duration of an implied warranty, so
    the above may not apply to you. This limited warranty gives you
    specific legal rights. You may have others, which vary from state to
    state.

 5. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY.  UNLESS SPECIFIED IN THIS AGREEMENT, ALL
    EXPRESS OR IMPLIED CONDITIONS, REPRESENTATIONS AND WARRANTIES,
    INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A
    PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR NON-INFRINGEMENT ARE DISCLAIMED, EXCEPT TO THE
    EXTENT THAT THESE DISCLAIMERS ARE HELD TO BE LEGALLY INVALID.

 6. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY.  TO THE EXTENT NOT PROHIBITED BY LAW, IN NO
    EVENT WILL SUN OR ITS LICENSORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY LOST REVENUE, PROFIT
    OR DATA, OR FOR SPECIAL, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL, INCIDENTAL OR
    PUNITIVE DAMAGES, HOWEVER CAUSED REGARDLESS OF THE THEORY OF LIABILITY,
    ARISING OUT OF OR RELATED TO THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE SOFTWARE,
    EVEN IF SUN HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.  In no
    event will Sun's liability to you, whether in contract, tort (including
    negligence), or otherwise, exceed the amount paid by you for Software
    under this Agreement.  The foregoing limitations will apply even if the
    above stated warranty fails of its essential purpose. Some states do
    not allow the exclusion of incidental or consequential damages, so some
    of the terms above may not be applicable to you.

So why bother with 'as is' statement for NetBeans???
What about Sun ONE Studio (NetBeans sold and licensed by Sun)?

Regards
Illya Kysil, software developer
Delphi/C/C++/C#/Java/Forth/Assembler
If it is NOT SOURCE, it is NOT SOFTWARE. (C) NASA

http://www.intellij.com/

It's the best IDE on the market right now, and it's only $499 for an
individual license.

-Nathan

You could buy the CD of Borland JBuilder Personal Edition
(http://www.borland.com/jbuilder/personal/index.html) for $10.00. I'm
sure your boss would have heard of Borland.

Sun One Studio 4 Community Edition, which is derived from Netbeans, is
still available, without charge, from
http://jsecom16d.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet?StoreId=8&PartDetailId=FJCI9-401
-TL9M&TransactionId=try&LMLoadBalanced=
Sun suggest you use Netbeans if you want a free version and Netbeans
suggest you use Sun One if you want an IDE that "possesses a clearly
defined relationship to the trusted name and service offerings of Sun
Microsystems". The latest version of Sun One is outside your price
range despite the fact that it is difficult to distinguish from
NetBeans.

Maybe I could sell you one of the free IDE's? I am happy to retail any
of them for $299.00 and provide a one year, no questions asked, money
back guarantee if you are not completely satisfied. They also come
with the valuable original manufacturer guarantees similar to those
that other folow-ups have quoted.

For a list of candidates see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/ide.html

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.

Greg,

And what, pray tell, is going to go wrong?

Perhaps your IT crew should get with the times:

    Netbeans or Eclipse
    Ant
    JUnit
    XDoclet
    CVS
    JBoss
    Tomcat
    Castor XML
    etc.

We're an enterprise software product development shop, marketing to
major financial services concerns, and those are among our mainstream
tools.

Best regards,

Bob
--
Robert E. Newby

Principal Software Engineer
Vestmark, Inc.
500 Edgewater Drive, Suite 564
Wakefield, Massachusetts 01880 USA
781-224-3646 | Bob _ Newby @ vestmark . com | www . vestmark . com