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Java Forum / Tools / May 2006Whoopee, free Intellij
I even though I don't quite qualify as an open source writer because of my non-military use restriction, and because some of my stuff is shareware (with source included in the trial version and no nag features), I wrote Intellij and gave them a pitch for letting me have a free copy. They said YES. They are giving me a "Personal" licence. I will get to play in a few days. I will thus be able to give a comparison of Eclipse and Intellij. See http://mindprod.com/livinglove/methods/prescriptionsforhappiness.html  SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. > I even though I don't quite qualify as an open source writer because > of my non-military use restriction, and because some of my stuff is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I will get to play in a few days. I will thus be able to give a > comparison of Eclipse and Intellij. JetBrains seem to be quite flexible with their trial and free licences. I guess it's part of them trying to create a good impression and win mindshare. I would guess that they hope that as a prominent and respected member of the Java community, you might convince other people to give their product a go. I look forward to seeing your comparison, it will be somewhere to direct the endless posts about which IDE is better. Have you also tried NetBeans 5.0? Dan (fully paid-up member of the IDEA fan club). SignatureDaniel Dyer http://www.dandyer.co.uk On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:08:03 -0000, "Daniel Dyer" <dan@dannospamformepleasedyer.co.uk> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >. Have you also tried NetBeans >5.0? I gave it a very short trial. It was way too slow for my machine at the time, so I gave up on it. Eclipse is barely quick enough on my much faster machine now. SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. >I even though I don't quite qualify as an open source writer because >of my non-military use restriction, and because some of my stuff is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >See >http://mindprod.com/livinglove/methods/prescriptionsforhappiness.html I don't feel passion about most of the tools I use but Intellij rocks. Eric >I wrote Intellij and gave them a pitch for letting me have >a free copy. They said YES. They are giving me a "Personal" licence. To paraphrase Tom Lehrer - "IntelliJ must be feeling like a Christian Scientist with appendicitis". They are the only producers of a full-featured IDE that do not have a free version. Originally there was the open source Eclipse and NetBeans and a free version of JBuilder. Then Oracle cut the price of JDeveloper from $US1000.00 to zero. Not long after Sun decided to give away Sun Java Studio to anyone who registered as a Sun developer. IBM's IDEs are based on Eclipse so Eclipse is basically the (free) entry level edition. Even Microsoft has a free entry level version of Visual J#. IntelliJ are relenting; "individual developers" can buy IDEA for half price (around $US250.00). It has taken thirty years but Richard Stallman seems to be winning. The rather more personable Linus Torvalds must be given considerable credit for selling the free software concept. >Originally there was the open source Eclipse and NetBeans and a free >version of JBuilder. Then Oracle cut the price of JDeveloper from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >IntelliJ are relenting; "individual developers" can buy IDEA for half >price (around $US250.00). What amazes me is so many hard headed businesses still think it is in their interests to put out free software. You'd think the tendency would be to let somebody else do it. Somehow, some other project of theirs must be indirectly benefitting enough to fund this largesse. On the other paw, software pricing is goofy. It does not take in to account properly how expensive making the first copy is and how little effort it takes to make extra copies. I think software rental with very low rates in the way to go to maximize the total user base, which means lower overall prices and more profit. That way people who even want to use a program every two years can still afford the deluxe, totally up to date version. SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. David Segall: > They are the only producers of a > full-featured IDE that do not have a free version. You're quite misinformed. > It has taken thirty years but Richard Stallman seems to be winning. > The rather more personable Linus Torvalds must be given considerable > credit for selling the free software concept. LOL. Visibly, you don't understand it. But I'm sure you would buy it (as soon as it is free). SignatureMy desktop is worth a million of dollars. Put an icon on it. http://www.milliondollarscreenshot.com/ >David Segall: > > They are the only producers of a >> full-featured IDE that do not have a free version. > >You're quite misinformed. I'm always willing to learn. Please let me know what is wrong with my statement. >> It has taken thirty years but Richard Stallman seems to be winning. >> The rather more personable Linus Torvalds must be given considerable >> credit for selling the free software concept. > >LOL. Visibly, you don't understand it. So, please explain "it" to me. >But I'm sure you would buy it (as soon as it is free). Perhaps your first language is not English. I don't understand how that sentence relates to your (or my) post. >>You're quite misinformed. >I'm always willing to learn. Please let me know what is wrong with my >statement. see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. >>> You're quite misinformed. >> I'm always willing to learn. Please let me know what is wrong with my >> statement. > > see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html I noticed that you say that it is free for Open Source developers. I went to their website and can not find out any information about obtaining it as free for a Open Source developer. How do you obtain for free version as you stated for an Open Source developer? I have read you thread and realized that you talked to them and where able to obtain a copy for free. Is this the way you have to obtain a free version for Open Source development? In other words, it seems they do not openly advertise it as free for Open Source developers. SignatureThanks in Advance... IchBin, Pocono Lake, Pa, USA http://weconsultants.servebeer.com/JHackerAppManager __________________________________________________________________________ 'If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"' -William E. Taylor, Regular Guy (1952-) > In other words, it seems they do not openly advertise it as free for > Open Source developers. look a little harder... http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/opensource/opensource.html -- Shane >> In other words, it seems they do not openly advertise it as free for >> Open Source developers. > > look a little harder... > > http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/opensource/opensource.html Thanks Shane and Roedy.. Sorry... guess I need to slow down.. Thanks in Advance... IchBin, Pocono Lake, Pa, USA http://weconsultants.servebeer.com/JHackerAppManager __________________________________________________________________________ 'If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"' -William E. Taylor, Regular Guy (1952-) >. I >went to their website and can not find out any information about >obtaining it as free for a Open Source developer. see http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/opensource/opensource.html or http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html and chase the $0.00 link. SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. >>Please let me know what is wrong with my >>statement. [For the benefit of anyone trying to follow this sub-thread the statement was snipped but in it I claimed that IntelliJ IDEA was the only full-featured IDE that did not offer a free version] >see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html The IDE is free _only_ for the development of a very restricted form of open source software. You may not use it for any other software and the open source software must have a web site and regular releases. According to their license you cannot even use IDEA to write a program that maintains your family grocery list. Who wants to switch IDEs depending on which project they are working on? How many Java developers are there who are working full-time on a well established open source project that is not sponsored by Sun and/or IBM? Despite my belief that this offer is so restrictive that it does not deserve inclusion as free software you are technically correct and I have updated <http://ide.profectus.com.au/> accordingly. David: >>>They are the only producers of a >>>full-featured IDE that do not have a free version. >>You're quite misinformed. > I'm always willing to learn. Please let me know what is wrong with my > statement. 'only'. Omnicore Codeguide is a professional full-featured IDE that doesn't have a free version (AFAIK) http://www.omnicore.com/codeguide.htm > So, please explain "it" to me. > that sentence relates to your (or my) post. It doesn't. Sorry but I misread your post. BTW, Linus never really sold the free software concept. He initiated and managed the most famous free software project but he didn't spend too much time to show the benefits of freedom. And in fact he tends to disagree with Richard from time to time. Considerable credit must be given to Linus but for Linux and not for the free software concept. That said, I agree Linux did and still push it. SignatureMy desktop is worth a million of dollars. Put an icon on it. http://www.milliondollarscreenshot.com/ >David: >>>>They are the only producers of a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >a free version (AFAIK) >http://www.omnicore.com/codeguide.htm If that is our point of disagreement then "You're quite misinformed" sounds a bit harsh but that may be because English is not your first language. I would not count Omnicore Codeguide as full-featured because it lacks a drag and drop GUI builder. However, I did not define "full-featured" in my post and it was unreasonable of me to expect a reader to deduce the definition from the list of IDEs I provided. David: > If that is our point of disagreement then "You're quite misinformed" > sounds a bit harsh You're right, it is too strong. I should not post at night. Sorry for that. > I would not count Omnicore Codeguide as full-featured > because it lacks a drag and drop GUI builder. A DnD GUI builder is not a feature, it's a bug ;) Never could use one since I switched to Java, 8 years ago. > However, I did not define "full-featured" in my post Codeguide has many unique features you won't find in any other IDE. For long, it was the only IDE to have a generifyer for example. SignatureSEO contest ends in 2 days 11 hours 40 minutes 37 seconds http://www.milliondollarscreenshot.com/casino/ >> Omnicore Codeguide is a professional full-featured IDE that doesn't have >> a free version (AFAIK) >> http://www.omnicore.com/codeguide.htm > If that is our point of disagreement then "You're quite misinformed" > sounds a bit harsh but that may be because English is not your first > language. Would you please stop making personal remarks> First, it's quite rude and second it's pathetic as even with your native English you obviously cannot communicate your point. > I would not count Omnicore Codeguide as full-featured > because it lacks a drag and drop GUI builder. I've yet to see a good GUI produced by a GUI builder and as Guillaume said, Codeguide has a lot of unique features (like back in time debugging, real support for C#, etc.) > However, I did not > define "full-featured" in my post and it was unreasonable of me to > expect a reader to deduce the definition from the list of IDEs I > provided. There's no such thing as full-featured (except in the minds of the PHBs of the world.) Each tool has a list of functional and non-functional features. Most of the time you actually trade one for another. I.e. if it does everything it will be so complex that nobody would be able to use it. Of course it's up to everybody to pick his own poison. Dimitar (another non-native English speaker) >>> Omnicore Codeguide is a professional full-featured IDE that doesn't have >>> a free version (AFAIK) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >and second it's pathetic as even with your native English you obviously >cannot communicate your point. Which point did you fail to understand? Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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