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Hi, I am absolutely new to java and learning it right now. So I also need a java IDE. Are there any experts outside who recommend this or that IDE? The only restriction is that it should be free... Any help is greatly appreciated, Thorsten Personnaly, I use Gel (www.gexperts.com) a lot of good feature (project management, CVS, Code completion, Code formatter,...) > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Any help is greatly appreciated, > Thorsten  SignatureUsing M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > I am absolutely new to java and learning it right now. So I also need > a java IDE. Are there any experts outside who recommend this or that > IDE? The only restriction is that it should be free... JCreator is a nice, straightforward IDE for beginners. It is free (they also have a pay-for version with more features). http://www.jcreator.com/ I don't work for them or get anything from them for recommending their product. I have just found that this satisfies the desires of most beginners without being resource intensive. SignatureDavid G. Risner Software Engineer, California State University, Los Angeles http://www.risner.org/david/ >I am absolutely new to java and learning it right now. So I also need >a java IDE. Are there any experts outside who recommend this or that >IDE? The only restriction is that it should be free... BlueJ. see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/ide.html -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. >>I am absolutely new to java and learning it right now. So I also need >>a java IDE. Are there any experts outside who recommend this or that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. > See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. I'll second the BlueJ pick - especially for folks new to programming AND OO AND Java, dumping them into Eclipse or Netbeans is often overwhelming. Those already familiar with programming prefer one of the `industrial strength' tools if they have enough familiarity with IDEs. I take a bit of time in the intro programming/Java class that I teach to show the students what Java development is like using a DOS shell, BlueJ, Netbeans, and Eclipse. Almost without fail, the newbies pick BlueJ, most of the rest pick NB or Eclipse, and every now and then someone does it in DOS - I haven't seen a student laptop with Linux on it yet. Chris Looks like BlueJ is very popular. But one question: What's wrong with BlueJ that it can't be used "for real"? I mean, do professionals ever use it, or is it only suitable for beginners? I'm currently using the NetBeans IDE, but my 5 year old 350MHz 5400RPM Dell is struggling to keep it from stalling. Using an IDE less hungry for power would be a good thing. Now I find myself quitting NetBeans and going to vim and rxvt unless I have something to do that the IDE is really good at. But then I'm more comfortable using vi keystrokes than my mouse anyway... Thanks. CB (new to Java, but not to programming) >Looks like BlueJ is very popular. But one question: What's wrong with >BlueJ that it can't be used "for real"? I mean, do professionals ever [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >CB (new to Java, but not to programming) I am currently moving from VB to Java and selected NetBeans for my IDE. On a recent holiday I decided to take my ancient laptop (O.K. I'm addicted) which took four minutes to load NertBeans. BlueJ seemed like a better choice. It was, but for someone who has used many IDE's the transition was not intuitive. For example, I spent some time looking for the "Execute Program" menu item before I read the manual to discover that a right click on _any_ method would enable you to execute that method. A right click on Main was the answer. BlueJ was written by people who want to teach Java and, probably deliberately, makes few concessions to those who are familiar with other IDE's. As you are aware, it also lacks many of the features available in NetBeans. For me, BlueJ is infinitely better than vim but I think a poison chalice is preferable to vi so YMMV. If you have problems with NetBeans, why won't you try eclipse? It's much "thiner" (from my perspective), and much faster as it doesn't use Swing. > Looks like BlueJ is very popular. But one question: What's wrong with > BlueJ that it can't be used "for real"? I mean, do professionals ever [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > CB (new to Java, but not to programming) > BlueJ. see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/ide.html I followed the IDE link to Editors. What no vim :) Lordy On 29 Sep 2003 22:29:47 GMT, lordy <spam_box@gmx.net> wrote or quoted >I followed the IDE link to Editors. What no vim :) is now. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary. > I am absolutely new to java and learning it right now. So I also need > a java IDE. Are there any experts outside who recommend this or that > IDE? The only restriction is that it should be free... www.bluej.org (object oriented approach) Lothar Leidner Hi Thorsten! torsti_engy@web.de (Thorsten Koch) wrote on 15 Sep 2003: > I am absolutely new to java and learning it right now. So I also need > a java IDE. You need a good editor, not a full IDE. First you should understand the language, before you break a fly on the wheel. Scite or jEdit (made with Java) may do the job. HTH, Michael. >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Any help is greatly appreciated, >Thorsten If you are moving to Java from another language and you have been using an IDE then I suggest NetBeans (www.netbeans.org) or, if you are used to a Borland product, try JBuilder Personal Edition. If you are new to programming in general or have been using a text editor and a command line compiler then I suggest you write your "Hello World" program using these tools before deciding on a development environment. > Hi, > > I am absolutely new to java and learning it right now. So I also need > a java IDE. Are there any experts outside who recommend this or that > IDE? (IMHO) the winner is slick edit. www.slickedit.com > The only restriction is that it should be free... ooops!! you can try viM !! > Any help is greatly appreciated, > Thorsten andrea SignatureDon't worry about what anybody else is going to do. The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -- Alan Kay I'd recommend IBM's eclipse as well. It seems to me to be the most promising development environment - it's more than an IDE. Go and check it out yourself. Marcus > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Any help is greatly appreciated, > Thorsten try netbeans (www.netbeans.org)... > > I am absolutely new to java and learning it right now. So I also need > > a java IDE. Are there any experts outside who recommend this or that > > IDE? The only restriction is that it should be free... > try netbeans (www.netbeans.org)... Oh, come on. Netbeans is gross overkill *for a beginner,* which is what the question was about. I recommend JCreator, BlueJ, or a Java-friendly, plain text editor like Textpad, nedit, or JEdit. Otherwise, you'll become too frustrated and waste too much time trying to learn the IDE, instead of just learning Java. You can move up to IDEs with more features as you need them. Matt O. > Netbeans is gross overkill *for a beginner,* which is > what the question was about. That very much depends if it's a Java beginner or a programming beginner. Having coded C for over a decade, moving from C to Java, before I found an IDE I liked (which happens to be NetBeans) the thing I found most frustrating is that all the methods are scattered all over the place (in the nature of things, if the classes are small and the project big). Initially I actually used a small perl script to recurse through a source tree gathering all the java source up in one "project" file for my perusal. o_O > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any help is greatly appreciated, The Java Development Environment for Emacs, especially if you are comfortable with Emacs. http://jdee@sunsite.dk Paul Try RealJ - www.realj.com Free; minimal; easy to use; it's what I've been using for Teaching Java to undergraduates for several years. -- ================================================================ Bary W Pollack Office: Ralston Hall 203 775-831-1314 x5016 bpollack@sierranevada.edu http://Snow.SierraNevada.edu/~csci/ Chair, Computer Science http://www.sierranevada.edu Sierra Nevada College 999 Tahoe Blvd, Incline Village, NV 89451-9500 ================================================================ > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Any help is greatly appreciated, > Thorsten If you are looking for an IDE that will make things easy for you, try out the new Oracle JDeveloper 10g preview. 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