Problem installing JDK in Win98 SE

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andreskrey@gmail.com - 23 Aug 2006 20:09 GMT

Hi, I have a problem with the instalation of de JDK in my system. I
downloaded the package with the name "jdk-1_5_0_07-nb-5_0-win-ml.exe"
and when I try to install it I get this error message:

"This account does not have sufficient privileges to install Java(TM).
Please login to an account with administrative permissions."

I don't know too much about win98 but I really know that isn't
administrative and restricted account in this system.
I didn't found anything about this in the FAQ of Sun. Can you help me?

My computer is a AMD K6 500mhz with 198mb of RAM running on Windows 98
SE.

Andres
(Sorry for my bad english, i'm from Argentina)

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ge0rge - 23 Aug 2006 20:49 GMT

> Hi, I have a problem with the instalation of de JDK in my system. I
> downloaded the package with the name "jdk-1_5_0_07-nb-5_0-win-ml.exe"
> and when I try to install it I get this error message:
>
> "This account does not have sufficient privileges to install Java(TM).
> Please login to an account with administrative permissions."

The installation instruction does say -

Prepare for installation.

1. Verify that your system meets or exceeds the minimum hardware
requirements:
* Pentium III workstation, 500 MHz.
* 512 MBytes RAM.
* 415 MBytes free space (235 MBytes of permanent disk space
for the software and 180 MBytes of temporary disk space required during
installation).

Note: The installer uses the %USERDIR%\Local Settings\Temp
directory for temporary files.
2. Verify that you have Administrator privileges on your system.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Because you have downloaded the JDK 5.0 Update 7 with NetBeans 5.0, my
guess is that it might be he installation of the netbeans IDE that
requires admin privilege. Note also that the site says that this
combination has been tested only on windows 2000 and windows XP. As you
only have Windows 98, I would suggest that you download the JDK only
(JDK 5.0 Update 8) and hopefully you will get no problem in installing
the JDK (I say optimistically!).

Good luck!

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ge0rge - 23 Aug 2006 20:58 GMT

>> Hi, I have a problem with the instalation of de JDK in my system. I
>> downloaded the package with the name "jdk-1_5_0_07-nb-5_0-win-ml.exe"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> * Pentium III workstation, 500 MHz.
> * 512 MBytes RAM.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
hmm... and your machine with 198 MB of ram does not meet the above
requirement.
Also AMD K6 might be a pentium II equivalent (not sure but it may well
be pentium III)

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ge0rge - 23 Aug 2006 21:04 GMT

...

>> 1. Verify that your system meets or exceeds the minimum hardware
>> requirements:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Also AMD K6 might be a pentium II equivalent (not sure but it may well
> be pentium III)

To the OP - forget the previous mail. The ram requirement is probably
for the netbeans IDE requirement.

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andreskrey@gmail.com - 24 Aug 2006 02:10 GMT

> ...
> >> 1. Verify that your system meets or exceeds the minimum hardware
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> what is the root of money?
> -- Ayn Rand

But this isn't a problem with the performance of the program!, I can't
figure why it keep asking me if I got enough system priviliges. I
previously installed J2EE pack (For mobile aplications) but the
KToolbar didn't let me build the program saying that I didn't had the
java runtime envoirement installed. And it was!

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Sundar - 24 Aug 2006 06:05 GMT

> But this isn't a problem with the performance of the program!, I can't
> figure why it keep asking me if I got enough system priviliges. I
> previously installed J2EE pack (For mobile aplications) but the
> KToolbar didn't let me build the program saying that I didn't had the
> java runtime envoirement installed. And it was!

If you need only the JRE(Java Runtime Environment) then you may try the
following link...
http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp

If you need JDK, I would suggest you to get an older version of JDK
which is suitable for your hardware and Windows 98.
Related link: http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/previous.jsp

-Sundar

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Thomas Weidenfeller - 24 Aug 2006 13:05 GMT

You decided to deploy a bundle of J2SE and Netbeans. The Netbeans
installer on Win98 is broken. Netbeans uses a version of Install Shield
which has a bug on Win98. This is a known issue, and the Netbeans team
won't fix it. There is an alternative way to just download Netbeans as
an archive and deploy it on Win98. However this still doesn't help,
since Netbeans' internal repository management is broken on Win98. This
issue is also known, and the Netbeans team won't fix it.

It is easy to get this information by simply checking the Netbeans bug
database.

They won't do anything for Win98, because they no longer support Win98
and couldn't care less. They can't even be bothered to add a note on
their download page to inform people about the end of support for Win98.
The latest version which should still run on Win98 is Netbeans 4. But
with that one you mis a log of improvements and J2SE 1.5 support if I am
not mistaken.

So much for write-once-run-anywhere ...

Upgrade your OS to Linux or sidegrade to XP if you want to run Netbeans
and if your hardware can run one of the mentioned operating systems.

Otherwise stop whining and forget Netbeans.

/Thomas

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Eric Sosman - 24 Aug 2006 18:08 GMT

Thomas Weidenfeller wrote On 08/24/06 08:05,:

>>But this isn't a problem with the performance of the program!, I can't
>>figure why it keep asking me if I got enough system priviliges. I
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Otherwise stop whining and forget Netbeans.

Is there just a tiny twinge of bitterness here? A little
hint of disappointment at being left out in the cold? Well,
it's understandable: nobody likes being told his system is
obsolete.

It may or may not ease the sting of abandonment, but note
that the NetBeans people are not the only organization that
has decided to discontinue Windows 98 support. One of the
other outfits that no longer supports Windows 98 has its
headquarters in a place called Redmond ...

http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/default.asp

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Thomas Weidenfeller - 25 Aug 2006 10:30 GMT

> Is there just a tiny twinge of bitterness here? A little
> hint of disappointment at being left out in the cold? Well,
> it's understandable: nobody likes being told his system is
> obsolete.

Are you trying to tell me that running Netbeans on a system called
Solaris is not a good idea since it is obsolete? Because that's what I
run Netbeans on (and on XP and Linux). Are you suggesting I should get
that Solaris thing upgraded to XP?

I know about the 98 issue because I wasted three days trying to get is
set up for someone else. And apparently, I am not alone, as the posting
starting this thread indicates.

> It may or may not ease the sting of abandonment, but note
> that the NetBeans people are not the only organization that
> has decided to discontinue Windows 98 support.

There is an important difference. The Netbeans people don't like to tell
their users about that fact on their download page. The only software
requirement stated on the download page is:

"NetBeans IDE 5.0 requires a J2SE JDK, version 1.4.2 or higher."

There is a suitable JDK for 98 - from Sun. So what happened to
write-once-run-anywhere? If Sun doesn't even get this right for their
own product (actually one of Sun's flagship products in the area of
Java) how can we mere mortals have any hope?

/Thomas

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Eric Sosman - 25 Aug 2006 16:25 GMT

Thomas Weidenfeller wrote On 08/25/06 05:30,:

>> Is there just a tiny twinge of bitterness here? A little
>>hint of disappointment at being left out in the cold? Well,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> run Netbeans on (and on XP and Linux). Are you suggesting I should get
> that Solaris thing upgraded to XP?

It seems I touched a nerve. Because of my E-mail address
and the unwarranted significance people might attach to it, it
may have been unwise of me to post in the first place -- and
it certainly wouldn't be wise for me to continue in a debate
that veers in the direction this one threatens to. I certainly
had no intent of offending you or belittling you, and I am sorry
if my post seemed to do so.

> "NetBeans IDE 5.0 requires a J2SE JDK, version 1.4.2 or higher."
>
> There is a suitable JDK for 98 - from Sun. So what happened to
> write-once-run-anywhere? If Sun doesn't even get this right for their
> own product (actually one of Sun's flagship products in the area of
> Java) how can we mere mortals have any hope?

Elsethread, Alrik Fassbauer reports that he got it to
work on Win98, albeit on a possibly atypical configuration.

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Alrik Fassbauer - 27 Aug 2006 13:38 GMT

> Elsethread, Alrik Fassbauer reports that he got it to
> work on Win98, albeit on a possibly atypical configuration.

Checked my installation, and I saw it is 1.5.0 update 6, not 7.

So I must admit that my installation is a bit different.

Right now I'm downloading 1.5.0. Udate 7 to see whether it installs or
not.

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Alrik Fassbauer - 27 Aug 2006 16:31 GMT

> Right now I'm downloading 1.5.0. Udate 7 to see whether it installs or
> not.

Now I've tried it with the JDK Update 7 and I get the same error
message than in the initial posting. I'm puzzled as well.

But as I've written before, 1.5.0 Update 6 is on my system - it could
well be that this was an earlier update which I updated by using the
Java control applet that came with this installation. I'm not fully
sure, though.

So at least we all know now that Update 6 or earlier can indeed be
installed, if that's of any help.

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Alrik Fassbauer - 24 Aug 2006 18:26 GMT

> They won't do anything for Win98, because they no longer support Win98
> and couldn't care less. They can't even be bothered to add a note on
> their download page to inform people about the end of support for Win98.
> The latest version which should still run on Win98 is Netbeans 4. But
> with that one you mis a log of improvements and J2SE 1.5 support if I am
> not mistaken.

Sorry, but I've got Win98 second edition, and I can install the JDK fine.
But I must say that my RAM is almost 400 MB and I've got an early Athlon processor.
I cannot say whether the specs below that hinder the SDK from installing,
but I doubt it.

I would say the problem could lies with the installer.
Make sure you've got that new windows installer (the one working with MSI
packages), versoon 2.0. It should be downloadable somewhere at Microsoft
(sorry, don't have the link in my memory eright now).

Also, make sure you've got a *lot* of disk space free !
My impression is that the installer needs lots of free disk space for
de-compressing.

I have experienced times when the installer seemingly did nothing at a point,
and that probably up to a few minutes. I don't know what this behaviour means,
but I suspect it has to do with decompressing something or so.

At least I can say that it *is* possible to install the JDK on Win98 SE.
But maybe the pure Win98 is too old for that, although I'm not sure about this.

Alrik

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