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qqqq - 27 Aug 2004 14:41 GMT
I am considering learning Java.

What is the best development environmnet?

Cheers

Geoff
JVSFugitive - 27 Aug 2004 14:48 GMT
> I am considering learning Java.
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> Geoff

Try netbeans www.netbeans.org
Dejan Lazic - 27 Aug 2004 14:53 GMT
> I am considering learning Java.
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> Geoff

To understand how it really works - notepad/vi.
Stewart Gordon - 27 Aug 2004 15:59 GMT
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> To understand how it really works - notepad/vi.

Even better than TextPad?

http://www.textpad.com/

Stewart.

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Paul Lutus - 27 Aug 2004 15:57 GMT
> I am considering learning Java.
>
> What is the best development environmnet?

Define "best". I use Netbeans. Reasonable people can and will differ.

http://www.netbeans.org/

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wald - 27 Aug 2004 16:13 GMT
> I am considering learning Java.
>
> What is the best development environmnet?

The best is obviously Eclipse.

http://www.eclipse.org/

Regards,
Wald
kaeli - 27 Aug 2004 16:40 GMT
> I am considering learning Java.
>
> What is the best development environmnet?

For Unix/Linux users or people used to the way open source stuff works -
Eclipse or NetBeans.

For people like me who use, and like, Windows programs, either JCreator or
JBuilder.

I personally found Eclipse impossible to work with and totally non-intuitive.
Other people love it.

My opinion only - YMMV.

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Bryce - 27 Aug 2004 17:39 GMT
>I am considering learning Java.
>
>What is the best development environmnet?

For starters? I'd use Notepad (of VI, or Emacs) and the command line.
Make sure you can write, understand, compile and run a simple "Hello
World" application.

Then, try a few adn see what you like. My personal favorites are
Eclipse (free) and JetBrains Idea (commercial).

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Hal Rosser - 27 Aug 2004 20:45 GMT
For learning:
notepad, textpad, JGrasp

> I am considering learning Java.
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> Geoff
Flip - 30 Aug 2004 15:23 GMT
> What is the best development environmnet?
You'll hear a lot of people talk about vi/notepad and javac.  Then you'll
see a couple with some IDE.  The pros/cons are:

editor and javac
pros:
-you'll learn a lot about packages, command line tools, environment
settings, batch files
-you'll know a lot about the java lanaguage
cons:
-takes a long time to actually learn the language cause you're learning it
truely from first principles
-can be frustrating as you may spend quite a bit of time getting things in a
working state before you can get down to the fun and interesting stuff
(swing, inheritence, etc)

IDE
pros:
-gets you up and running quickly
-lets you focus on learning the language
cons:
-very easy to become over reliant on the IDEs enhancements/tricks/etc (code
insight/intellisense, the gui designers)
-you tend to want to learn the IDE better instead of the language

This discussion comes up every once in a while, and it truely comes down to
what kind of student you are.  If you bore easily, then maybe the IDE is the
better way to do as you can get to a running temperature conversion program
quickly.  The HelloWorld is too easy with either method, after you do this
example, is where IMHO both methods start to show their differences.

The one thing I don't believe any posters have mentioned is creating
bookmarks/favourites to a few key sights to help you out.  As soon as you
get into trouble with something start learning/reading up on these sights.
API docs: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/index.html
java tutorial: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/search.html
and the best site of all for help?
http://www.google.ca/

Good luck!
qqqq - 30 Aug 2004 19:40 GMT
Thanks everyone - theres a lot to think about

Cheers
> > What is the best development environmnet?
> You'll hear a lot of people talk about vi/notepad and javac.  Then you'll
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> Good luck!
Flip - 31 Aug 2004 15:17 GMT
> Thanks everyone - theres a lot to think about
Good luck with it! :>  I tried learning java twice with notepad, javac, and
other command line tools and drove myself nuts!  After a few years of VB
(and getting tired of it :>) I tried JBuilder and I stuck with java this
time! :>  But I probably didn't learn it as quickly as maybe with the
command line stuff, but I stuck it out this time.  So there are pros/cons to
either way.  Maybe a mix of both is good too?

Again, good luck, and keep working hard at it! :>  Either way you pick,
it'll come! :


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