Java Forum / First Aid / May 2004
Java Newsgroup reader?
natG - 26 Apr 2004 18:29 GMT Hi; Can anyone please recommend a good Java based newsreader? I need something better then Netscape/Mozilla (primarily to track threads I am involved in and watched threads), and it needs to share the data cross-platform, Linux and WinXP. Thank you all; -nat
Roedy Green - 26 Apr 2004 20:34 GMT >Hi; >Can anyone please recommend a good Java based newsreader? See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/newsreader.html
I don't know of one. I wrote a spartan one that I used to detect newbies in the newsgroups and send welcoming letters telling them where the faqs were. However, someone complained about the "spam" and shut me down.
You are welcome to the source code. All it would do it help you understand the basic protocol. It has no GUI.
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Alex Hunsley - 29 Apr 2004 13:41 GMT >>Hi; >>Can anyone please recommend a good Java based newsreader? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > where the faqs were. However, someone complained about the "spam" and > shut me down. I started writing one recently (using the NNTP stuff in Jakarta commons' Net library)... I'm sick of the lack of obvious seeming functionality in news readers. The first thing I've done is make it detect sock puppets via identical NNTP-Posting-Hosts which is interesting... also I want a news reader that gives me the option of not showing author (From:) only, but a mix of From: and NNTP-Posting-Host: in a way that sees through puppetry.
I've just discovered the good net keeping seal of approval which is interesting:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/
don't know why on earth one requirement is that you use a valid email adderss though. Can you say "spam me now, soon and forever, please?"
alex
Andrew Thompson - 29 Apr 2004 14:22 GMT > I've just discovered the good net keeping seal of approval which is interesting: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/ > > don't know why on earth one requirement is that you use a valid email adderss > though. Can you say "spam me now, soon and forever, please?" Put '.invalid' at the end..
AFAIU, an address like me@myhost.net.invalid is supposed to be recognised by well designed software as being invalid so that it can be automatically dumped.
I can find no immediate reference to it specifically, you might have more luck if you hunt around.
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Roedy Green - 29 Apr 2004 20:36 GMT >Put '.invalid' at the end.. that will stop legit users, however it won't stop spam harvesters. If you post text, you must use an UNCOMMON trick. If you simply say
me@nospam.mindprod.com it is pretty easy for a mindless spam collector robot to correct that to me@mindprod.com
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J.B. Moreno - 07 May 2004 19:14 GMT > >Put '.invalid' at the end.. > that will stop legit users, however it won't stop spam harvesters. If > you post text, you must use an UNCOMMON trick. If you simply say > > me@nospam.mindprod.com it is pretty easy for a mindless spam collector > robot to correct that to me@mindprod.com Yeah, but the ".invalid" trick isn't so simple -- there's no requirement that any part of the address be real/relevant, just that the TLD be ".invalid". Thus "invalid@invalid.invalid" and "john_s@nosereaders.invalid" are just as likely as "planb@newsreaders.invalid".
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Roedy Green - 07 May 2004 20:21 GMT >> me@nospam.mindprod.com it is pretty easy for a mindless spam collector >> robot to correct that to me@mindprod.com [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >"john_s@nosereaders.invalid" are just as likely as >"planb@newsreaders.invalid". True, a spam collector can't harvest from a name containing no information, but it can easily harvest from one using one of the standard disguising tricks. The point is, if you dare to put the actual information out publicly, you must mung it in a unique way, or the spam collector automaton will be able to harvest it.
see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/mung.html
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Roedy Green - 29 Apr 2004 20:34 GMT >I've just discovered the good net keeping seal of approval which is interesting: > >http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/ > >don't know why on earth one requirement is that you use a valid email adderss >though. Can you say "spam me now, soon and forever, please?" I went through a long debate with the Forte Agent newsreader people trying to explain to them why it was legit to want to configure a fake email address for posting and my real one for email. Their answer was to use two different instantiations of the program!!! ARGHHH.
I have cut down my spam considerably by switching to a new email address, and posting it publicly only in GIF form.
Somebody should post a little applet that cranks out such gifs for the general public who may not have the patience to make them all with Paint Shop Pro. You might do a little work to foil ocr -- e.g. use an unusual font, blur the edges a bit, etc. It would be a good exercise in writing an Applet with a custom font.
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Karl von Laudermann - 30 Apr 2004 15:29 GMT > I've just discovered the good net keeping seal of approval which is interesting: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/ > > don't know why on earth one requirement is that you use a valid email adderss > though. Can you say "spam me now, soon and forever, please?" It only requires that you use a *syntactically* valid email address, meaning that it has to be in the proper form. That doesn't mean you can't use a fake address. "nospam@nospam.com" is syntactically valid, if you want to use it.
(However, I *am* using an email address that you can mail to, because Google sends a confirmation email to the address you give it, which you must use to enable posting, and then gives you no way of munging your address when you post. So thank goodness for www.mailinator.com.
:-) ) Andrew Thompson - 30 Apr 2004 15:51 GMT > However, I *am* using an email address that you can mail to, because > Google sends a confirmation email to the address you give it, which > you must use to enable posting, and then gives you no way of munging > your address when you post. That is a pity.
>..So thank goodness for www.mailinator.com. I will make note of that, there are many students who may have to access the groups through Google, and it is nice to know how they can achieve that without becoming swamped by ($&^#@ @%^&) spam.
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Roedy Green - 30 Apr 2004 18:59 GMT >It only requires that you use a *syntactically* valid email address, >meaning that it has to be in the proper form. That doesn't mean you >can't use a fake address. "nospam@nospam.com" is syntactically valid, >if you want to use it. see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/mung.html for the kosher ways to mung.
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José María Mateos - 29 Apr 2004 12:32 GMT In comp.lang.java.help, natG (natgrossDOTrentalsystems@verizon.net) wrote:
> Hi; > Can anyone please recommend a good Java based newsreader? I need > something better then Netscape/Mozilla (primarily to track threads I am > involved in and watched threads), and it needs to share the data > cross-platform, Linux and WinXP. Not Java based, but it has all you are asking for: Pan
http://pan.rebelbase.com
Regards,
Chema.
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Roedy Green - 29 Apr 2004 20:47 GMT > Not Java based, but it has all you are asking for: Pan > > http://pan.rebelbase.com for a very long list see http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html for as shorter list see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/newsreaders.html
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natG - 29 Apr 2004 23:46 GMT > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > =Wj5m > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Thanks! It seems like a winner (from the site info). Question: Will it read/import my Mozilla settings/groups? -nat ps. RG; I wanted a cross-platform reader.
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