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Guillaume Cabanac - 23 Aug 2007 08:32 GMT
Hi guys,

I am a PhD student in Computer Science, studying human perception of
consensus in threaded discussions (like in Usenet and Web forums).

In order to experiment this with real people online (see below for more
details), I have developed a Java/Swing application coupled with an Oracle
relational database.

I am currently looking for people to take part. If you are interested, feel
free to Java Web Start the experiment from
http://www.irit.fr/~Guillaume.Cabanac/expe .

Do not hesitate to send me your feedback and comments :)
Thank you in advance.

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Guillaume Cabanac     http://www.irit.fr/~Guillaume.Cabanac
PhD student in Computer Science
IRIT - Computer Science Research Institute of Toulouse University, France
Information Systems team

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** What is The Task of a Participant in This Experiment? **

In the proposed experiment, a "participant" has to evaluate 13 argumentative
discussion threads (a discussion thread is a tree whose nodes contain
people's statements; they are chronologically organized as in Usenet or Web
forums). You can see a screen capture of a discussion thread evaluation
here: http://www.irit.fr/~Guillaume.Cabanac/expe/example.png.

Evaluating a discussion thread requires 2 steps:

1. The participant labels each node by identifying its *opinion*: does the
node confirm (pro), refute (against) or is neutral regarding its direct
parent? On the screen capture, the participant has labeled the nodes thanks
to the "flag" buttons (nodes are then displayed in color). For example, Tom
refutes Bob, which is refuting Alice.

2. For each replied node, the participant synthesizes the opinions of its
replies. This *mental synthesis* value ranges from refutation to
confirmation. On the example, the participant feels that Bob's statement is
rather confirmed, and Alice's one is almost refuted.

** What is The Aim of This Experiment? **

The main aim of this experiment is to compare i) mental synthesis of
opinions that are expressed within discussion threads with ii) the results
of the 2 algorithms that we have developed.

These algorithms take as input an opinion-labeled discussion thread, they
compute a value that corresponds to the synthesis of the opinions, ranging
from "the root statement is refuted" to "the root statement is confirmed".
The first algorithm computes a statistical score whereas the second one is
based on a AI research framework (bipolar argumentation framework). If you
are interested in these algorithms, I may send you a research paper
(RIAO'2007) upon request by mail.

A minor aim is to check if people label the discussion thread in the same
way (step 1).

** Possible Applications of This Research **

The main topic of my Computer Science thesis work is "digital annotation" on
the Web where amounts of digital documents are freely accessible. With a
classical Web browser, people are rather passive as they can only read
documents. Indeed, one cannot indicate a mistake he has found, ask a
question, link the document to another one or simply express his thought.

In order to enable people to interact with a digital document, "annotation
systems" have been developed since the early 1990's, cf. (Wolfe, 2002,
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S8755-4615(02)00144-5). Such software make it
possible to annotate every digital document the same way as paper, for
personal purposes, e.g. critical reading, proofreading, learning, etc.

Moreover, as modern computers are networked, digital annotation can be
stored in a common database. This makes it possible to display a document
along with its annotations that may come from numerous readers all over the
world. Then readers can reply to annotations and also to replies, forming
"discussion threads" that are displayed in the context of commented
documents.

When documents are massively annotated (see a video demonstration
(http://g.cabanac.free.fr/publications/2005-11-IWAC/demoAmaya.wmv) with the
Amaya annotation system) and discussed (each annotation can spark off a
discussion thread), it seems to me that the reader is overwhelmed. Reading
an annotation, its replies that are hierarchically organized and synthesize
their opinions is a difficult task.

In order to overcome this problem, annotation systems could compute the
"social validation" of each annotation. This requires that annotators give
an explicit opinion type to they annotations; NLP algorithms can also be
applied, e.g. (Pang et al., 2002,
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1118704&dl=GUIDE). Then, the reader
can decide to focus on discussions that have reached consensus (totally
refuted or confirmed). On the other hand, he may focus on ongoing
discussions identified by a neutral social validation. Moreover,
intra-discussion thread social validations may guide the reader that can
identify "supporting" and "defeating" branches.

I hope that these explanations help to understand the aims of my experiment.
Please, let me know what you think about this experiment.

Guillaume Cabanac.
Andrew Thompson - 23 Aug 2007 10:05 GMT
...
>I am a PhD student in Computer Science, studying human perception of
>consensus in threaded discussions (like in Usenet and Web forums).
...
>I am currently looking for people to take part. If you are interested, feel
>free to Java Web Start the experiment from
>http://www.irit.fr/~Guillaume.Cabanac/expe .

Normally I do not bother helping with survey's or research
(at least, not for free).  Your project interests me in that it
is written in Swing and launched by JWS (two technologies
in which I have an interest and experience).

So.. I surf on over to the linked page, get the link for
the .JNLP and pull it up to look at it (which is something
I would do for any 'unknown' webstart project before
I even considering launching it.)

Then I see..
<all-permissions/>

..Uh-huh.  Why does it need to all-permissions?

Note that most things such an interface might need to
do, can either occur in a sandbox, or can use the JNLP
API equivalent services (which again allows the app. to
be sandboxed).

I think that you will have more success if the user
does not have to make a decision about whether they
trust this 'all-permissions' code.

The bottom line is that since I don't know you, or your level
of either competence or trustworthyness, I am not prepared
to let this code run on my system unless it is sandboxed.

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Andrew Thompson
http://www.athompson.info/andrew/

Guillaume Cabanac - 23 Aug 2007 10:51 GMT
Hi Andrew,

> Then I see..
> <all-permissions/>
>
> .Uh-huh.  Why does it need to all-permissions?

Actually it only needs to establish a connection to the database server, via
JDBC.

It seemed to me that it is possible to let the app in the sandbox while
allowing it some privileges via policies, that the user has to accept.
However http://lopica.sourceforge.net/faq.html#policy tells the contrary.
Alas I had no time to search more info on that... Maybe you can give me a
URL or explain me how to avoid this all-permissions issue.

Thanks.

Guillaume Cabanac
Andrew Thompson - 23 Aug 2007 13:43 GMT
>> ...Why does it need to all-permissions?
>
>Actually it only needs to establish a connection to the database server, via
>JDBC.

If the DB is coming from the same domain as the
app., it can do it in a sandbox.

>It seemed to me that it is possible to let the app in the sandbox while
>allowing it some privileges via policies, ..

Uggh.. 'policy files'  FTR, that was never what I
was referring to.  It is *theoretically* possible to
alter the ploticy files to allow ..anything, but it is
not something I would expect the average end-user
was capable of, nor that I would recommend they
try.

No.  I was referring to the JNLP API servise
to do things like access the local file system, store
preferencs, or access the printer.

None of this sounds relevant to your app., but
if your interested, you can see some examples here..
<http://www.physci.org/jws/>

>...that the user has to accept.
>However http://lopica.sourceforge.net/faq.html#policy tells the contrary.

Yes.  The lopica alternate JWS FAQ is a damn fine
document, but in that section, it is not referring to the
JNLP API that I was thinking of.

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Andrew Thompson
http://www.athompson.info/andrew/

Guillaume Cabanac - 23 Aug 2007 14:29 GMT
>>> ...Why does it need to all-permissions?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> If the DB is coming from the same domain as the
> app., it can do it in a sandbox.

Unfortunately it is not the case: the HTTP and DB servers are from distinct
domains.

>>It seemed to me that it is possible to let the app in the sandbox while
>>allowing it some privileges via policies, ..
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> if your interested, you can see some examples here..
> <http://www.physci.org/jws/>

Ok. So, the only solution for running my app sandboxed seems to imply a
unique domain.

Thanks for mentioning the JNLP API (although it doesn't help right now).

Guillaume

>>...that the user has to accept.
>>However http://lopica.sourceforge.net/faq.html#policy tells the contrary.
>
> Yes.  The lopica alternate JWS FAQ is a damn fine
> document, but in that section, it is not referring to the
> JNLP API that I was thinking of.
Guillaume Cabanac - 28 Aug 2007 07:42 GMT
> If the DB is coming from the same domain as the
> app., it can do it in a sandbox.

Hi,

Do the application and DB have to be from the same *domain* or *host* (as it
is mentioned in the JWS FAQ
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/javaws/developersguide/faq.html#113) ?

<quote>
If an application is written to run in a restricted execution environment
(sandbox), then access to disk is not permitted and the application may only
connect to the host on which it resides.
</quote>

Thanks.

Guillaume Cabanac
Andrew Thompson - 28 Aug 2007 09:07 GMT
>> If the DB is coming from the same domain as the
>> app., it can do it in a sandbox.
...
>Do the application and DB have to be from the same *domain* or *host* (as it
>is mentioned in the JWS FAQ

I was almost about to mention before, that I was
not sure of the distinction between domain and
host, and why not give it the acid test of putting
up a second JNLP that tries a sandboxed launch?

Note their might also be a third possibility that when
data is requested off a different domain/host, the
Plug-In pops a message asking the user if that is
OK.  

I was surprised to see this 'allow on prompt' behaviour
on a socket based example I worked on recently, and
hazilly recall seeing it in a JEditorPane example that
was browsing 'any old URL'.

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Andrew Thompson
http://www.athompson.info/andrew/

Guillaume Cabanac - 28 Aug 2007 11:21 GMT
>>> If the DB is coming from the same domain as the
>>> app., it can do it in a sandbox.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I was almost about to mention before, that I was
> not sure of the distinction between domain and

In my view a domain (foo.com) gathers multiples hosts (a.foo.com, b.foo.com,
etc.).

> host, and why not give it the acid test of putting
> up a second JNLP that tries a sandboxed launch?

Alas the DB server and HTTP server I use are from distinct domains, and
currently I cannot change that. Therefore I cannot test this.

> Note their might also be a third possibility that when
> data is requested off a different domain/host, the
> Plug-In pops a message asking the user if that is
> OK.

I have tried to launch the JNLP after removing the "all-permissions". Alas I
get this exception from the Oracle JDBC driver:

java.security.AccessControlException: access denied
(java.util.PropertyPermission oracle.jdbc.FastConnectionFailover read)

> I was surprised to see this 'allow on prompt' behaviour
> on a socket based example I worked on recently, and

It is a nice feature. Do you know in which version of JWS this mechanism has
been introduced?

> hazilly recall seeing it in a JEditorPane example that
> was browsing 'any old URL'.

Guillaume Cabanac
Andrew Thompson - 28 Aug 2007 15:41 GMT
...
>> I was surprised to see this 'allow on prompt' behaviour
>> on a socket based example I worked on recently, and
>
>It is a nice feature. Do you know in which version of JWS this mechanism has
>been introduced?

AFAIU, it comes down to the parameters in the policy
files distributed with the runtime.  At least that is
what I am guessing, have not had the time to look
into it closely.

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Andrew Thompson
http://www.athompson.info/andrew/

Lew - 23 Aug 2007 13:40 GMT
> ...
>> I am a PhD student in Computer Science, studying human perception of
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> of either competence or trustworthyness, I am not prepared
> to let this code run on my system unless it is sandboxed.

The OP will help the trust issue by not multiposting, also.

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Lew

rhino - 23 Aug 2007 19:42 GMT
> Hi guys,
>
> I am a PhD student in Computer Science, studying human perception of
> consensus in threaded discussions (like in Usenet and Web forums).

Just curious: is it typical for a PhD student at a French university to
write his dissertation in English?

--
Rhino
Guillaume Cabanac - 24 Aug 2007 08:22 GMT
Hi Rhino,

> Just curious: is it typical for a PhD student at a French university to
> write his dissertation in English?

To my knowledge, a PhD dissertation from a French university must be written
in French. I really don't know if dispensations are granted. What is amazing
is that PhD students must have papers in international conferences and
journals (thus in english) in order to defend...

Another difference compared with abroad is that a French PhD student defend
their theses in public : everybody can attend.

Guillaume.
Patricia Shanahan - 24 Aug 2007 17:02 GMT
...
> Another difference compared with abroad is that a French PhD student defend
> their theses in public : everybody can attend.
...

I'm a student at UCSD. When I defend my, as yet unwritten, Ph.D.
dissertation it will be, at least theoretically, in public.

Patricia


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