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initial password of cacerts

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Alexander Pavlenko - 23 Nov 2003 15:38 GMT
Hi

Can anyone tell me initial password of cacerts file shipped with Java
Web Start 1.4.2?

"changeit" is not the right one. In 1.4.1 it was, but in 1.4.2 it
doesn't fit.
Roedy Green - 23 Nov 2003 20:15 GMT
>"changeit" is not the right one. In 1.4.1 it was, but in 1.4.2 it
>doesn't fit.

I can confirm your observation, but I don't know the new password
either.  If the normal changeit cacerts has all the certs you need,
you could just substitute it, could you not?

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Alexander Pavlenko - 23 Nov 2003 21:26 GMT
>>"changeit" is not the right one. In 1.4.1 it was, but in 1.4.2 it
>>doesn't fit.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> either.  If the normal changeit cacerts has all the certs you need,
> you could just substitute it, could you not?

No I can't. I have no direct access to the file to substitute it. I need
a password to write user's instruction on certificate installation.
Michel Gallant - 23 Nov 2003 21:31 GMT
With 1.4.2_02  (build 1.4.2_02-b03), it works for me on W2k.
- Michel Gallant
   http://pages.istar.ca/~neutron

> >"changeit" is not the right one. In 1.4.1 it was, but in 1.4.2 it
> >doesn't fit.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
> See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Roedy Green - 24 Nov 2003 00:53 GMT
>With 1.4.2_02  (build 1.4.2_02-b03), it works for me on W2k.

are you sure you are getting the cacerts in
c:\j2sdk1.4.2_02\jre\javaws?
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Robert Della Malva - 24 Nov 2003 17:51 GMT
Same for me: 1.4.2-b28 /W2k
- Robert
www.xlreader.com

> With 1.4.2_02  (build 1.4.2_02-b03), it works for me on W2k.
>  - Michel Gallant
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> > Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
> > See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Roedy Green - 24 Nov 2003 19:08 GMT
>Same for me: 1.4.2-b28 /W2k

What is going on? Try this command all on one line:

c:\j2sdk1.4.2_02\bin\keytool -list -keystore
c:\j2sdk1.4.2_02\jre\javaws\cacerts
-storepass changeit
 
I get:

keytool error: java.io.IOException: Keystore was tampered with, or
password was incorrect

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Michel Gallant - 24 Nov 2003 20:02 GMT
No problem here:

C:\Documents and Settings\mgallant\Desktop>c:\j2sdk1.4.2_02\bin\keytool -list -
eystore c:\j2sdk1.4.2_02\jre\javaws\cacerts -storepass changeit

Keystore type: jks
Keystore provider: SUN

Your keystore contains 25 entries
....
....

- Mitch Gallant

> >Same for me: 1.4.2-b28 /W2k
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
> See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Robert Della Malva - 25 Nov 2003 08:23 GMT
Oops! I missed "Web Start"

keytool -list -keystore  jre\lib\security\cacerts - storepass changeit
  ==> OK (Your keystore contains 20 entries ...)
keytool -list -keystore  jre\javaws\cacerts - storepass changeit
 ==> WRONG (keytool error: IOException: Keystore was tamperered with ...)

- Robert
www.xlreader.com

> >Same for me: 1.4.2-b28 /W2k
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
> See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Michel Gallant - 25 Nov 2003 14:47 GMT
Also works with the other more common cacerts file (with jre\bin on your system path):
keytool -list -keystore c:\j2sdk1.4.2_02\jre\lib\security\cacerts -storepass changeit

- Michel Gallant
   MVP Security
   http://pages.istar.ca/~neutron

> Oops! I missed "Web Start"
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> > Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
> > See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Roedy Green - 25 Nov 2003 21:51 GMT
>keytool -list -keystore  jre\javaws\cacerts - storepass changeit
>  ==> WRONG (keytool error: IOException: Keystore was tamperered with ...)

me too.  What gives?  I have win2K with latest patches.  512 mb ram.

That is not exactly what I typed.  Are we each using a different
keytool or getting a different cacerts?

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Michel Gallant - 25 Nov 2003 22:03 GMT
Roedy,
Do you have the same error message when  \jre\lib\security\cacerts ??

I have ONLY one JRE installed (removed all others some time ago).

Have not actually run or used any jws apps ... maybe a rogue app is
changing the password??

- Mitch Gallant

> >keytool -list -keystore  jre\javaws\cacerts - storepass changeit
> >  ==> WRONG (keytool error: IOException: Keystore was tamperered with ...)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
> See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Roedy Green - 26 Nov 2003 08:12 GMT
>Do you have the same error message when  \jre\lib\security\cacerts ??
no, it is fine.

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Michel Gallant - 26 Nov 2003 15:32 GMT
aha!  It must be something related to an app using JWS.
I have not explicitly used JWS, and that cacerts file in the
JWS subdir is fine for me ... just a guess, of course :-)
- Mitch Gallant

> >Do you have the same error message when  \jre\lib\security\cacerts ??
> no, it is fine.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
> See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Roedy Green - 26 Nov 2003 20:47 GMT
>aha!  It must be something related to an app using JWS.
>I have not explicitly used JWS, and that cacerts file in the
>JWS subdir is fine for me ... just a guess, of course :-)

Another possible theory:

JWS was once a separate download.  I think I still have that around.
Perhaps when the install checks for an old cacerts, and uses that in
preference to the new one.

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Robert Della Malva - 26 Nov 2003 00:53 GMT
Could it be that WebStart's cacerts was not updated?
I have the following cacerts with Java 1.4.2/Win2k:
. javaws\cacerts:
  . 11 entries,
   . most recent entry: oct 31, 2000
   . password: ?
. lib\security\cacerts:
   . 20 entries,
   . most recent entry: jan 3, 2003
   . password: "changeit"

- Robert
www.xlreader.com

> >keytool -list -keystore  jre\javaws\cacerts - storepass changeit
> >  ==> WRONG (keytool error: IOException: Keystore was tamperered with ...)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
> See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
Robert Della Malva - 24 Nov 2003 17:52 GMT
Same for me: 1.4.2-b28 /W2k
- Robert
www.xlreader.com

> With 1.4.2_02  (build 1.4.2_02-b03), it works for me on W2k.
>  - Michel Gallant
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> > Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
> > See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.


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