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Cert chain versus an individual cert

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Brian J. Sayatovic - 16 Oct 2003 20:42 GMT
The JSSE user guide on Sun's site states that a server might send its
cert, or its cert-chain.  It doesn't say when it might do one or the
other, or the repurcussions.

I've got one SSL site (our own) that, via SSL debug mode, I can see
sends its whole cert chain.  Yet, when I hit a third party SSL site,
it only sends its own cert.  Using JSSE with a custom truststore, I
can connect to our site but not to theirs.  The debugging indicates
that since the third-party site only sends its cert, JSSE cannot
verify the third-party's cert up to someone I trust.

However, whenI view that same site in IE and view the cert, it shows a
cert path.  How does IE either (a) infer the cert-chain or (b) query
the server different to get the cert-chain?  JSSE only ever gets the
one third-party cert, while IE somehow gets the chain.

Regards,
Brian.

P.S. I've verified that the "issuer" of the third-party cert is not
itself in the IE cert store: "www.verisign.com/CPS Incorp.by Ref.
LIABILITY LTD.(c)97 VeriSign"
VK - 17 Oct 2003 20:45 GMT
Making some heroic efforts to save $300-$400 on a normal commercial
certificate?
Understandable... :-)    No, really is! ;-)

Root or chain - it's still one "file", meaning one data unit. So your
applet gets the same as any browser does, you just need to "parse" the
received data in the way you need. Look for *.getCertificateChain()
methods in all these K../SSL libraries.

I still don't think that the trick will work using just one side (your
applet/application). Keystore has to be updated on each running machine.
Unless M. Gallant has found some new break-through.

> The JSSE user guide on Sun's site states that a server might send its
> cert, or its cert-chain.  It doesn't say when it might do one or the
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> itself in the IE cert store: "www.verisign.com/CPS Incorp.by Ref.
> LIABILITY LTD.(c)97 VeriSign"


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