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Java Forum / General / April 2008Is implementing a Java class procedural programming?
Is implementing a Java class a process of procedural programming? >Is implementing a Java class a process of procedural programming? There is no single globally accepted definition of »procedural programming«. So you should give the terminology you refer to. One might say that Java programming is procedural, because Java methods could be interpreted to be »procedures«. We do not have to push arguments onto the stack or load them into registers and then jump to some subroutine anymore. But one rarely does say this, because there rarely is need to point this out. > >Is implementing a Java class a process of procedural programming? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > rarely does say this, because there rarely is need to point > this out. So when we are designing and defining classes, Java is an object- oriented programming language, it is a procedural programming language while we are implementing methods. > >Is implementing a Java class a process of procedural programming? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > rarely does say this, because there rarely is need to point > this out. So Java is a programming language that combines object-oriented programming and procedural programming, right? >>> Is implementing a Java class a process of procedural programming? Stefan Ram wrote: >> There is no single globally accepted definition of »procedural >> programming«. So you should give the terminology you refer to. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> rarely does say this, because there rarely is need to point >> this out. > So Java is a programming language that combines object-oriented > programming and procedural programming, right? Can you do something about your posts showing up twice? It's probably the software, though. Stefan asked for your definition of "procedural programming". You didn't give that information, so the follow-up question remains equally unanswerable. I think the questions are meaningless. What insight are you aiming to obtain?  SignatureLew >So Java is a programming language that combines object-oriented >programming and procedural programming, right? Java does not support all facets of object-oriented programing (as they are supported in in Smalltalk). For example, blocks of code are not objects in Java and numerals do not have objects as their value. But surely everything I would deem to be »procedural« programming /is/ supported by Java. Procedural programming can be mapped onto object-oriented programming, by using a single »default object« to interpret all procedure calls and contain all »global variables« and mapping procedure calls to messages to this default object. In this sense, object-oriented programming contains procedural programming. Because Java also has »static« methods, mapping procedures to methods is even simpler in Java. >>Is implementing a Java class a process of procedural programming? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > rarely does say this, because there rarely is need to point > this out. Hey Stefan, I like the way you surround terms with a "<<" and ">>" characters but I don't know how to add them in myself. What key sequence and/or news reader do you need to do that? SignatureAnd loving it, -Q _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me) > "Stefan Ram" <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote in message >> ... »procedural programming« ... > > Hey Stefan, I like the way you surround terms with a "<<" and ">>" > characters but I don't know how to add them in myself. See Windows Charmap for "Arial Unicode" or other Unicode font. U+00AB Left-Pointing Double Angle Quotation Mark. Keystroke Alt+0171 U+00BB Right-Pointing Double Angle Quotation Mark. Keystroke ALt+0187 > What key sequence and/or news reader do you need to do that? I would use Alt+0171 to enter « but I suspect if you have a French keyboard, you enter these characters directly. Any newsreader that can work with a character set such as ISO-8859-1 Latin-1, Unicode or many many others. Surely this is supported by the current versions of all actively maintained newsreaders? SignatureRGB On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:59:10 -0700 (PDT), tenxian <hi.steven.tu@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Is implementing a Java class a process of procedural programming? the indivisibility methods are called procedures in other languages. A static method that used only the parms and locals with no instance variables would be procedural, as opposed to object-oriented. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/rules.html for languages where you don't specify the algorithm, but rather the desired end result, and the program searches for a solution on its own. These are not procedural. Abundance attempts to do as much of the coding as possible in the variable declarations. If you managed to do 100% of it that way, say by describing a GUI form, that would be not procedural. A spreadsheet is not procedural. It has rules of the form, if other cells change recompute this one via this formula, but it does not specify exactly how the overall calculation happens. Swing code where code gets triggered by events could be considered non-procedural. Stuff just happen is a chaotic way, not one step after the other like a recipe. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > Is implementing a Java class a process of procedural programming? Short answer - no. Java is squarely in the object oriented camp. You need a programmer trained in object oriented programming, and object oriented design too. A programmer trained in only procedural techniques will have a hard time producing a quality Java program. Try to get someone with a SCJD or at least SCJP, or lots of good experience with Java and object oriented programming. P.S. To c.l.j.p - this is the same guy who was advertising a great idea for only 10,000 yaun just yesterday. I assume he's trying to read some resumes right now. >> Is implementing a Java class a process of procedural programming? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > or at least SCJP, or lots of good experience with Java and object > oriented programming. I think if you perversely wanted to write procedural program in Java you could do so. You'd have to avoid using most of the standard class library so you'd probably have to waste a lot of time reinventing procedural equivalents of a lot of OO library code. > P.S. To c.l.j.p - this is the same guy who was advertising a great idea > for only 10,000 yaun just yesterday. I assume he's trying to read some > resumes right now. It was 10,0000 and it was yuan. :-) (Whatever happened to RenMinBi and FECs?) SignatureRGB >> hard time producing a quality Java program. Try to get someone with a > I think if you perversely wanted to write procedural program in Java you > could do so. You'd have to avoid using most of the standard class > library so you'd probably have to waste a lot of time reinventing > procedural equivalents of a lot of OO library code. See my previous statement about quality, emphasis on that word. > It was 10,0000 and it was yuan. :-) Oops, my bad. > (Whatever happened to RenMinBi and FECs?) I prefer to be paid in Hostess Fruit Pies. ;) Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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