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Java Forum / General / April 2008Would you like to know how to create systems without code?
Do you like to know how to program in java creating web applications without code? Ask me how! > Do you like to know how to program in java creating web applications > without code? Ask me how! Code generation tools like JSF will only get you so far. Eventually, you will still need someone who knows REAL code. And when the generated code fails and throws exceptions, someone's gonna have to debug it... and that stuff is usually much more painful to debug then handwritten code. > > Do you like to know how to program in java creating web applications > > without code? Ask me how! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > debug it... and that stuff is usually much more painful to debug then > handwritten code. Ok! That's true, but I'm talking about corporative systems which need a fast development and implementation. And It's not a code genarator, with a code genarator you realy need to correct some bugs yourself. To better understanding you should access www.softwell.com.br, but the website is in portuguese. I believe there is some english translation there. Any questions contact me. Lord Zoltar wrote: >> Code generation tools like JSF will only get you so far. Eventually, >> you will still need someone who knows REAL code. And when the >> generated code fails and throws exceptions, someone's gonna have to >> debug it... and that stuff is usually much more painful to debug then >> handwritten code. This is a mischaracterization of JSF (Java Server Faces). JSF is no more a "code-generation tool" than, say, the Swing API is. JSF is a component library and a framework, or set of frameworks, for using and deploying such components, and for developing new ones. It's as real as it gets.  SignatureLew > Lord Zoltar wrote: > >> Code generation tools like JSF will only get you so far. Eventually, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Lew Yeah I guess I was a bit unclear... I was referring to the tools that use JSF such as RAD7 and Eclipse. THAT'S what generates the code which uses JSF. I mentioned JSF as an example because it's the most recent attempt at generated code I've worked with, and also because I was given the understanding that JSF was DESIGNED to be used with code generation tools. From what I've seen so far, it's nice when it works, but wretched when it fails. > > Lord Zoltar wrote: > > >> Code generation tools like JSF will only get you so far. Eventually, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > generation tools. From what I've seen so far, it's nice when it works, > but wretched when it fails. I'm sure that you all should see this tool working... Maker isn't a code generator! If you want it can show you the code in Java or .NET, but the diference is that Maker program using Flowcharts, do you know some tool like that? > I'm sure that you all should see this tool working... Maker isn't a > code generator! If you want it can show you the code in Java or .NET, > but the diference is that Maker program using Flowcharts, do you know > some tool like that? So if it doesn't generate code, what does it make? A standalone executable? So it goes from flowchart diagram to code in .NET/Java/$some_language? I've heard of things like this, and even seen them. I've never used them though... I believe Dia has some plugins for that, or maybe for UML diagrams. There was a KDE program I once saw that could also do that, and it could also generate code from state-transition diagrams (can't remember the name). Umbrello can also generate code from UML, don't know about flowcharts. I'm pretty sure I've seen others. > > I'm sure that you all should see this tool working... Maker isn't a > > code generator! If you want it can show you the code in Java or .NET, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > remember the name). Umbrello can also generate code from UML, don't > know about flowcharts. I'm pretty sure I've seen others. The Maker 2 works using an interpreter named Webrun, it's like the tomcat. The system is stored in a database. You create the database in MSSQL, PostgreSQL, Firebird or Oracle and then open this database with the Maker. The Maker will generate the forms and the menus, after this you can edit them and create the reports with a report bilder. When you finish it and need to create functions to represent your business rules you open the flowcharts editor. There you will declare the variables and create your "code" or better your flowchart. I posted it because I'm very impressed with the flexibility of this tool. > > > I'm sure that you all should see this tool working...Makerisn't a > > > code generator! If you want it can show you the code in Java or .NET, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I posted it because I'm very impressed with the flexibility of this > tool. To see the Maker 2 working access http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc-x0kQArGI I agree, most code gens I have seen are complete crap, especially GUI builders. If you ever get the chance look at the code the netbeans gui builder generates. It's scary!!! http://groups.google.com/group/java-software-develoupment?hl=en > I agree, most code gens I have seen are complete crap, especially GUI > builders. If you ever get the chance look at the code the netbeans > gui builder generates. It's scary!!! I disagree. Plethora of bangs aside, I find the generated code to be reasonable, so far. > http://groups.google.com/spamgroup/java-software-develoupspam?hl=en SignatureLew HOW??? http://groups.google.com/group/java-software-develoupment?hl=en > HOW??? > > http://groups.google.com/spamgroup/java-software-develoupspam?hl=en When Titans clash, mortals tremble. Be right back, I'm going to make some popcorn and plump the cushions on my recliner. SignatureLew On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:34:20 -0700 (PDT), Guileh <guilhermehd@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Do you like to know how to program in java creating web applications >without code? Ask me how! In general no. Look at the hundreds of crap frameworks there are out there with butt-ugly syntax and half-baked functionality. You will have to learn some new mickey mouse syntax to use them ,that will do 80% of the job. Then you have to integrate that back with the code in ways 10 times more complicated that writing plain code in the first place. You can 't debug them. These only work well for very simple problems that are trivial to deal with in Java code anyway. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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