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Java Forum / General / March 2008After I try latest of Netbean and Eclipse I wonder if have Another beter IDE?
I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and It's not campareable with VS. I try also Netbean. but I think that JAVA worth for beter IDE. So what is the best IDE (even commercial)? > I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try > Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and > It's not campareable with VS. I try also Netbean. but I think that > JAVA worth for beter IDE. > So what is the best IDE (even commercial)? NetBeans is the best that I have tried. What did you not like about it? The Java world is different than MS. I don't think you'll find a Visual Studio clone to ease your transition to Java. Best to pick one IDE that seems good then try to learn it's features. > > I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try > > Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Studio clone to ease your transition to Java. Best to pick one IDE that > seems good then try to learn it's features. the VB on VS is perfect check syntax while wrriting and rpid coding by formatting the text automaticly with hard indented. it's simple that the coding is fasting then NetBean. I see that you agree that NetBean is the best. So my wonder why all guys talking about Eclipse? (In other side I very like the Eclipse that not need Installation) > the VB on VS is perfect check syntax while wrriting and rpid coding by > formatting the text automaticly with hard indented. it's simple that > the coding is fasting then NetBean. NetBeans does this too. Also, please learn to spell. And to use grammar. > I see that you agree that NetBean is the best. So my wonder why all > guys talking about Eclipse? They aren't. >>> I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try >>> Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and That's odd, I've never had Eclipse crash when using recent versions. Perhaps you used some unstable plugins? >>> It's not campareable with VS. In what way? have you read these? http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-visualstudio/ http://msmvps.com/blogs/jon.skeet/archive/2005/12/22/79631.aspx >>> I try also Netbean. but I think that >>> JAVA worth for beter IDE. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > formatting the text automaticly with hard indented. it's simple that > the coding is fasting then NetBean. Eclipse too does - syntax checking as you type. - configurable automatic indentation as you type. - completion of braces {} as you type. - pops-up documentation as mouse hovers over class or method name. - auto-completion of class/method/variable names (Ctrl+Space) - auto-completion of method argument lists (ditto) - source reformatting (Ctrl+Shift+F} - auto generation of imports (Ctrl+Shift+O) - generates method stubs when you override an abstract class or implement an interface. (Ctrl+1); - and lots more. The re-factoring is pretty good too. It even spell-checks your comments as you type. Heck it compiles as you type. I imagine Netbeans is equally nifty. > I see that you agree that NetBean is the best. So my wonder why all > guys talking about Eclipse? Not everyone talks about Eclipse, it and Netbeans appear to me to be about equally popular, based on comments in this newsgroup. According to Google groups, in the last year Netbeans was mentioned 1030 times, Eclipse 1920. I don't think these figures are significant though. > Eclipse too does That's pretty much NetBeans feature list also. Both of these programs seem very similar in basic editing capabilities. Usually there is one crucial plug-in for some type of specific task that one IDE has that the other lacks, which determines perference. > Not everyone talks about Eclipse, it and Netbeans appear to me to be > about equally popular, based on comments in this newsgroup. According to My impression as well. At least, most folks seem over the editor wars. The OP's comments don't seem to indicate that he investigated either very well. IntelliJ so far looks to me like one pays more, and gets less. I guess there may be features I'm missing. RedGrittyBrick wrote: >> Eclipse too does > That's pretty much NetBeans feature list also. Both of these programs > seem very similar in basic editing capabilities. Usually there is one > crucial plug-in for some type of specific task that one IDE has that the > other lacks, which determines perference. NetBeans and Eclipse (and their commercial offspring) are similar in feature sets, but very different in style. Likely one or the other will suit one's style better. Eclipse drives me crazy; I despise it, and the commercial products based on it. That does not make them bad products, only products that I, personally, despise. [1] I have been using WebSphere Application Developer, Rational Application Developer and other Rational products for years, all Eclipse-powered. Not just a little, either - I live inside these products all day long at work. I love NetBeans. I also love sushi and spinach, products many people hate. Plugins have absolutely nothing to do with my preference. It's the fundamental style of the IDEs. Eclipse does too much under the hood that it won't let me override, it's too removed from Ant-based builds, and it's too far removed from the file system. NetBeans seems to me more straightforward, easier to lay out the various panes, and to impose less IDE-specific garbage on a project, so that it fits better with group build strategies. It's also easier to separate out the IDE-specific garbage from NB projects than from Eclipse. That said, Eclipse is extremely feature-rich and extensible, and integrates quite well with its enterprise server testbeds. [1] All right, yes, it makes them bad products.  SignatureLew >I see that you agree that NetBean is the best. So my wonder why all >guys talking about Eclipse? What pretty well everyone does it give some of the possible IDEs a trial run of day to a few weeks. Then they pick the one that drives them crazy the least. Then they gradually learn the quirks and obscure features. They will then stick with it, unless that IDE is abandoned or clearly surpassed. They might try some of the other IDEs every once in awhile, but they will seem clumsy in comparison, because they work differently and they don't know the lore to make them work at their best. So that reinforces the opinion they already have the best. The same applies to word processors. As I used to say in public lectures, "I would be much easier to talk someone into changing wives than word processors." People will rarely change IDEs unless: 1. theirs stops working or becomes unusable. 2. they hear some other IDE has a unique feature that will save them a ton of work. The problem is no one has the time and skill to be able to compare IDEs from a position of full competence on all the contenders. It would have to be someone looking for objective criteria to compare them for a comparative magazine article. I think in my case I worked with Eclipse which drove me nuts. Then I switched to IntelliJ Idea, which I learned quite quickly. I think my experience with Eclipse greased the wheels. It all very much what you are used to. I hated Emacs with a fiery passion. My finger reflexes simply refused to key CUA one moment and Emacs the next. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com what about JDeveloper vs Eclipse? > what about JDeveloper vs Eclipse? JDeveloper is a "low profile" IDE - it is not very widely used outside the Oracle world (AS). My impression is that it is very feature rich. But it and me does not click. You can try and see if you like it. Arne > I see that you agree that NetBean is the best. I don't think so. Usually there is a wide spread over Eclipse, NetBeans and IntelliJ. > So my wonder why all > guys talking about Eclipse? Eclipse is by far the most widely used. Arne >> I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try >> Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >NetBeans is the best that I have tried. What did you not like about it? Try IntelliJ. -- Claus Dragon <clauskick@mpsahotmail.com> =(UDIC)= d++ e++ T-- K1!2!3!456!7!S a29 "Coffee is a mocker. So, I am going to mock." - Me, lately. >>> I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try >>> Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Try IntelliJ. Could you tell me what you think IntelliJ does better than NetBeans? (Or what IntelliJ does well, if you don't know NetBeans.) I like NB a lot but I'm always on the look out for productivity enhancers. How does IntelliJ work for things other than straight Java? Does it work for C, C++ and PHP? Does it have templates for projects like plain web apps (JSP/Servlets), Struts, JSF? What about adding other downloaded objects like Dojo and JMaki to a web app? I haven't tried any code weaving with NetBeans but that might be next. >>>> I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try >>>> Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >I haven't tried any code weaving with NetBeans but that might be next. I much prefer IntelliJ over Eclipse, enough to pay for it. I haven't looked at NetBeans in quite a while so can't compare the 2. IntelliJ is not a general IDE. It was created in Java for Java. It is starting to support some of the newer dynamic languages; the newest versions support Groovy and Rails. It has templates for web apps, j2ee, struts and jsf support. Dunno about Dojo or JMaki. I prefer it because it is relatively stable and has an intelligent UI. The learning curve is relatively low. Eric I think it's neat that there are so many choice available right now. It's a wonder to me that both NetBeans and Eclipse can be so feature rich and also a free download. But if a pay-for IDE can provide some substantial features, I'd love to know about it. > I much prefer IntelliJ over Eclipse, enough to pay for it. I haven't looked at > NetBeans in quite a while so can't compare the 2. > > IntelliJ is not a general IDE. It was created in Java for Java. It is starting > to support some of the newer dynamic languages; the newest versions support > Groovy and Rails. I see you didn't mention C and C++. When I tried NetBeans, I pointed it at my Cygwin install (that's a Unix style environment running on Windows) and NetBeans took it. It uses it's own editor, the C and C++ compiler in Cygwin, and either Ant or make. I was in heaven. Open source products with a lot of support frequently have support for crazy configurations like Cygwin that commercial products have a hard time justifying support for. > It has templates for web apps, j2ee, struts and jsf support. Dunno about Dojo > or JMaki. Dojo and JMaki are libraries that support client side widgets for web 2.0. You load them onto your JSP or PHP page, run it and they put neat little Javascript widgets on the browser. NetBeans has a pallet for them so I can just drag and drop them into layouts or even right into a text file I'm editing. It'd darn cool. > I prefer it because it is relatively stable and has an intelligent UI. The > learning curve is relatively low. I'm still interested in features, if you're willing to talk about them, or even point me at a web page with tutorials, I'd like to take a look at it. This post is more pro-NetBeans than I intended. I really don't want to start any editor wars. It's just nice little features that I've found in NetBeans that it great to use, and comparisons are valid I think if one wants to have earnest discussion. I have to read all responds, thanks all. I ask: "So my wonder why all guys talking about Eclipse?" I refer to All big company that base his product on Eclipse (like IBM, Adobe). from my view point I wonder why all of these company not spend more to make Eclipse the best enviroment. I not understand why Borland stop his IDE while the Eclipse is not yet Stable environment. and for me the Style of Eclipse is not intuitive and not attract. it's seem thet OpenSource wasting power on many paraller project instead focus on Ultimate one IDE (as we see on PHP and Rubi and JSP). mttc schrieb: > I have to read all responds, thanks all. > I ask: "So my wonder why all guys talking about Eclipse?" I refer to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > OpenSource wasting power on many paraller project instead focus on > Ultimate one IDE (as we see on PHP and Rubi and JSP). May be you are rather one of the few people that experienced a crash. I can't think of any crash of eclipse IDE in since I started using it. For me thats stable! Do you have some strange configuration? Christian No, I install the latest Erupa with no plugin. the crash occur when I try to add text file to project (for input file). Also for my flavor this IDE have somthing unconvinced. it's difficult for me to point it out. Why not have Open project command (I west about two hour until I find the import command), why debugger switch to another perspective (I thing this solve only on very current version). Also I expect from IDE that make indented totally automatically (VB on VS). Also I have prefer to not allow case sensative even the lenguge allow this(VB on VS correct the Upper case according the decleration). And also when I change name of variable on the declaration statment, it's rename the name on all his scope. I know that guys say: Java is not VB, you are not understand.. and so on. but if you have to be honnest these thing is rapid your work. I try also the Netbean and I very disappointed, there no have list of error! > No, I install the latest Erupa with no plugin. the crash occur when I What's Erupa? > try to add text file to project (for input file). Also for my flavor > this IDE have somthing unconvinced. it's difficult for me to point it > out. Why not have Open project command (I west about two hour until I Two hours! Lol..... > Also I expect from IDE that make indented totally automatically (VB on Didn't we just get done having a huge discussion about how Eclipse does this? > VS). Also I have prefer to not allow case sensative even the lenguge > allow this(VB on VS correct the Upper case according the decleration). Case has been commented on before, by other folks. It's an issue for some, not for many. > I know that guys say: Java is not VB, you are not understand.. and so > on. but if you have to be honnest these thing is rapid your work. My work is rapid. I'm sorry your's is not, but you have to put some effort into learning or your work will never be fast. mttc wrote: >> VS). Also I have prefer to not allow case sensative even the lenguge >> allow this(VB on VS correct the Upper case according the decleration). The Java language not only allows case sensitivity, it requires it. > Case has been commented on before, by other folks. It's an issue for > some, not for many. Case matters in Java. >> I know that guys say: Java is not VB, you are not understand.. and so >> on. but if you have to be honnest these thing is rapid your work. > My work is rapid. I'm sorry your's is not, but you have to put some > effort into learning or your work will never be fast. That is true of all tools, the more so for worthwhile ones. SignatureLew > mttc wrote: >>> VS). Also I have prefer to not allow case sensative even the lenguge [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Case matters in Java. He's saying the IDE should ignore case when looking for identifier names for completion. Some Visual Microsoft product does this, I guess, and it's trained a lot of coders to expect the feature. I can see where it could be handy, but I'm used to case-sensitive completion so I tend to adjust for it with out thinking about it. NetBeans claims to have something called camel-case completion, where it can figure out the class name from *just* the capital letters in the class name. Like String would be S and ArrayList would be AL. I've never used it, but it sounds cool. >> mttc wrote: >>>> VS). Also I have prefer to not allow case sensative even the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > see where it could be handy, but I'm used to case-sensitive > completion so I tend to adjust for it with out thinking about it. Intellij ignores case when you're trying to find a class by name. (You type in the first N letters and it will display all that match, case ignored.) I like that very much, especially since some classes are named with what seems to me to be the wrong casing (not JDK classes so much as user ones.) > NetBeans claims to have something called camel-case completion, where it > can figure out the class name from *just* the capital letters in the > class name. Like String would be S and ArrayList would be AL. I've > never used it, but it sounds cool. Well Eclipse has this also, hit CTRL-SHIFT-T in the java perspective and you can just enter IB to find a class named IntegrationBean etc. Once you get used to it its pretty cool. It also ignores case if you enter the classname, just like IntelliJ (not sure how NetBeans handles this, because I've never used it). /Steen > > NetBeans claims to have something called camel-case completion, where it > > can figure out the class name from *just* the capital letters in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It also ignores case if you enter the classname, just like IntelliJ > (not sure how NetBeans handles this, because I've never used it). Hmm I just tried that in RAD 7 and instead of IntegrationBean, I get "ib - com.ibm.crypto.provider" as first result, followed by similar options. I didn't even see IntegrationBean in the (very large!) list that was offered. This could be a RAD-specific quirk though. >> Well Eclipse has this also, hit CTRL-SHIFT-T in the java perspective >> and you can just enter IB to find a class named IntegrationBean etc. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > options. I didn't even see IntegrationBean in the (very large!) list > that was offered. This could be a RAD-specific quirk though. My guess is that it depends on what is in classpath. IntegrationBean is not a standard Java class. Arne >> mttc wrote: >>>> VS). Also I have prefer to not allow case sensative even the lenguge >>>> allow this(VB on VS correct the Upper case according the decleration). Eclipse allows for this sort of foolishness ... >> The Java language not only allows case sensitivity, it requires it. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > could be handy, but I'm used to case-sensitive completion so I tend to > adjust for it with out thinking about it. Eclipse does this, I just tried it. I've never knowingly used it before. I have a variable named caseButton, I typed casebut and pressed Ctrl+Space (for "Content Assist"), Eclipse replaced casebut with caseButton. If I was switching to C# using VS I'd not complain in public about having to learn the VS ways of doing the things I'm already familiar with in Eclipse. Why should I expect VS to be exactly like Eclipse? Suggestion to mttc: Instead of whinging that Eclipse/Netbeans/whatever is unproductive because (you think) it doesn't do X/Y/Z exactly like VS does, * Pick a Java IDE - Eclipse, Netbeans, IntelliJ, JCreator, ... * Read a tutorial for that IDE [1] * Find the appropriate support forum for that IDE. [2] * Try not post inflammatory comparisons with other IDEs * Omit pointless disparagement of the IDE. * Ask in that forum "how do I do X" * Remember it's OK for different IDEs to differ in how they do X. [1] For Eclipse: select the "Help" menu, "Tips & Tricks", "Java Development", read everything on the right hand side. [2] For Eclipse: http://www.eclipse.org/newsgroups/ SignatureRGB > If I was switching to C# using VS I'd not complain in public about > having to learn the VS ways of doing the things I'm already familiar > with in Eclipse. > > Why should I expect VS to be exactly like Eclipse? There is one difference. Almost all Java developers have worked with more than one Java IDE. There are a lot of C# developers that have never worked with anything else than VS. Arne > Almost all Java developers have worked with more than > one Java IDE. > > There are a lot of C# developers that have never worked > with anything else than VS. I suspect that a large percentage of C and C++ developers also have experience with more than one IDE, based on the very unscientific sample of those I've met. Necessity is a mother - those who program for a living run into exotic platforms a lot, such as embedded systems. Perforce one uses the editors available, whether preferred or not. I aver that it's useful to follow the suggestions folks have made here, especially to use a few different IDEs for yourself. I've been using both NetBeans and Eclipse and its offspring more or less concurrently for years. Whichever one prefers, they have both been quite useful and powerful tools. Each teaches you something. (Zen-like detachment, in the case of Eclipse.) The same should be said of programming languages. Don't know only Java. Don't even be very good in only Java. SignatureLew >> Almost all Java developers have worked with more than >> one Java IDE. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > experience with more than one IDE, based on the very unscientific sample > of those I've met. C/C++ is somewhere in between. Many of them have been working with Unix or embedded systems. But there are still some that have worked only within the world of MFC, ATL, COM etc.. Arne >He's saying the IDE should ignore case when looking for identifier names >for completion. It is handy in my experience. However, I would like to have that toggleable. >Some Visual Microsoft product does this, I guess, and >it's trained a lot of coders to expect the feature. I can see where it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >class name. Like String would be S and ArrayList would be AL. I've >never used it, but it sounds cool. The Smalltalk IDE at my former employers worked like this: Wi Sy Co Vs W -> WindowSystemControlsVsWin. Also very handy for stuff like: CommonControlsDLL -> Com Con D. -- Claus Dragon <clauskick@mpsahotmail.com> =(UDIC)= d++ e++ T-- K1!2!3!456!7!S a29 "Coffee is a mocker. So, I am going to mock." - Me, lately. > And also when I change name of variable on the declaration statment, > it's rename the name on all his scope. Eclipse will rename the variable if you ask it to. Put your cursor on the varaible, hit alt-shift-r to rename it. /Steen > I ask: "So my wonder why all guys talking about Eclipse?" I refer to > All big company that base his product on Eclipse (like IBM, Adobe). > from my view point I wonder why all of these company not spend more to > make Eclipse the best enviroment. I not understand why Borland stop > his IDE while the Eclipse is not yet Stable environment. Eclipse is very stable. > and for me > the Style of Eclipse is not intuitive and not attract. The choice of IDE consist of both some objectively measured features and some subjective liking or disliking of style. You don't like Eclipse style, then don't use Eclipse if you have the choice, but do not assume that everyone has the same feeling. > it's seem thet > OpenSource wasting power on many paraller project instead focus on > Ultimate one IDE (as we see on PHP and Rubi and JSP). Because competition is good. 8 years ago VS was the most feature rich IDE that other editors copy from. Today VS copy from IntelliJ/Eclipse/NetBeans, because the competition between Java IDE's drives development. Arne >> I ask: "So my wonder why all guys talking about Eclipse?" I refer to >> All big company that base his product on Eclipse (like IBM, Adobe). [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > You don't like Eclipse style, then don't use Eclipse if you have > the choice, but do not assume that everyone has the same feeling. It is however a widely held view that Eclipse is not particularly intuitive. Even my Eclipse-using colleagues concede this point. I haven't used the most recent version, but my previous attempts to use it always made me angry. So many things were in odd places that it took ages to find what I was looking for. I understand that you'll eventually get used to these "quirks", but the alternatives are generally more welcoming "out-of-the-box". Dan. SignatureDaniel Dyer http://www.uncommons.org > It is however a widely held view that Eclipse is not particularly > intuitive. Even my Eclipse-using colleagues concede this point. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > eventually get used to these "quirks", but the alternatives are > generally more welcoming "out-of-the-box". That is not my experience. I seem to always be able to find what I want by right clicking. Arne >Dojo and JMaki are libraries that support client side widgets for web >2.0. You load them onto your JSP or PHP page, run it and they put neat >little Javascript widgets on the browser. NetBeans has a pallet for >them so I can just drag and drop them into layouts or even right into a >text file I'm editing. It'd darn cool. Yes, that is better than what IntelliJ offers. But the overall intelligence to me seems to be higher. >> I prefer it because it is relatively stable and has an intelligent UI. The >> learning curve is relatively low. > >I'm still interested in features, if you're willing to talk about them, >or even point me at a web page with tutorials, I'd like to take a look >at it. You can download it and try for yourself for 30 days. >one wants to have earnest discussion. -- Claus Dragon <clauskick@mpsahotmail.com> =(UDIC)= d++ e++ T-- K1!2!3!456!7!S a29 "Coffee is a mocker. So, I am going to mock." - Me, lately. > You can download it and try for yourself for 30 days. I should do that. But I'm also trying to get a sense of what I should be on the look-out for before I do. 30 days really isn't a lot of time to throughly evaluate any software package. >> You can download it and try for yourself for 30 days. > >I should do that. But I'm also trying to get a sense of what I should >be on the look-out for before I do. 30 days really isn't a lot of time >to throughly evaluate any software package. Try to build a small J2EE Webapplication using JSF 1.2 and EJB 3.0. I think you will understand then. -- Claus Dragon <clauskick@mpsahotmail.com> =(UDIC)= d++ e++ T-- K1!2!3!456!7!S a29 "Coffee is a mocker. So, I am going to mock." - Me, lately. On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:04:23 -0700, Mark Space <markspace@sbc.global.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Or what IntelliJ does well, see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html Perhaps some eclipse/netbeans users would like to provide some text on the good and bad about their ides for the corresponding entries in the glossary. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:04:23 -0700, Mark Space > <markspace@sbc.global.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the good and bad about their ides for the corresponding entries in the > glossary. Yes, I'm late with my NetBeans assignment. I've read your review of IntelliJ before, I was hoping for a second review. Oh well.... >Could you tell me what you think IntelliJ does better than NetBeans? >(Or what IntelliJ does well, if you don't know NetBeans.) I like NB a >lot but I'm always on the look out for productivity enhancers. > >How does IntelliJ work for things other than straight Java? It does not at all, its Java for Java, basically, though with the latest version, that might have changed. >Does it have templates for projects like plain web >apps (JSP/Servlets), Struts, JSF? Yes, it does have templates. Also, the refactoring is rather developed, for a Java IDE: when you change the Class Name of a EJB, it gets changed in the managed-beans.xml as well. If you change a JSP/JSF file name, the navigation.xml gets changed. Also, it already supports Annotations. It is able to check whether your EJB QL query is valid cause it checks on the fly against the database layout/bean layout. One thing where Netbeans is far superior: The GUI Editor which works way better than the IntelliJ Gui Builder. -- Claus Dragon <clauskick@mpsahotmail.com> =(UDIC)= d++ e++ T-- K1!2!3!456!7!S a29 "Coffee is a mocker. So, I am going to mock." - Me, lately. >> Could you tell me what you think IntelliJ does better than NetBeans? >> (Or what IntelliJ does well, if you don't know NetBeans.) I like NB a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It does not at all, its Java for Java, basically, though with the > latest version, that might have changed. IDEA is also a very capable HTML, JavaScript, CSS and XML editor. The latest version (7.x) has built-in support for Groovy and Ruby. You can get plugins of varying sophistication for other languages too. This support ranges from simple syntax-highlighting only to more complete support including refactoring and code inspections. I believe that the C++ support is quite advanced, though I've never used it. Dan. SignatureDaniel Dyer http://www.uncommons.org >I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try >Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and >It's not campareable with VS. I try also Netbean. but I think that >JAVA worth for beter IDE. >So what is the best IDE (even commercial)? the one I use is called Intellij Idea. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try > Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and > It's not campareable with VS. I try also Netbean. but I think that > JAVA worth for beter IDE. > So what is the best IDE (even commercial)? Intellij IDEA. It doesn't have all of the fancy code-generation bells and whistles that VS has, but for normal development and debugging, it's stabler than VS, and has more nice features. I used to be a vi + compiler guy, but IDEA has converted me. > I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try > Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and > It's not campareable with VS. I try also Netbean. but I think that > JAVA worth for beter IDE. > So what is the best IDE (even commercial)? The best IDE for Java Developers is NetBeans 6.... Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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