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Java Forum / General / March 2008Sell - IDE IntelliJidea 7.0 personal license
Hi all, I've a personal license for the IntelliJidea 7.0 IDE http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ , i've win it during the Ideday event in my city, but i'm not a Java developer ... I will like learn something about Java but actually i've very little time and i don't think this is the right ide to get the grip...so i sell it. If someone is interested to try it first there is a trial version on the official website http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download/index.html I sell it for 100euro or 140$, actually it cost 177euro or 249$ On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:50:55 -0700 (PDT), Decagrog <Decagrog@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : > http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ see what I have to say about it at http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html  SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:50:55 -0700 (PDT), Decagrog > <Decagrog@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > see what I have to say about it at > http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html That was a pretty good synopsis, Roedy. I see that your NetBeans entry is only one line long. I wonder if you'd consider updating the NetBeans entry to the current NB version? I'll contribute to the review if you like. On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:55:06 GMT, Mark Space <markspace@sbc.global.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >That was a pretty good synopsis, Roedy. I see that your NetBeans entry >is only one line long. I wonder if you'd consider updating the NetBeans >entry to the current NB version? I'll contribute to the review if you like. Great!. I have not used NetBeans in a long time, and when I did, my machine was too underpowered to do it justice. I think readers particularly would like to hear about Matisse and how you can build and maintain GUIs in a visual way. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >Hi all, >I've a personal license for the IntelliJidea 7.0 IDE http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I sell it for 100euro or 140$, actually it cost 177euro or 249$ Except that IntelliJ claim that you can't sell it! <http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/buy.html#personal_licenseTerms>. Congratulations on your prize and I hope you gain something from it but I don't understand why someone would pay $US249.00 for _any_ product that depreciates to zero the instant they buy it and before they use it. It is even more puzzling when they can have something comparable like Eclipse, JDeveloper or NetBeans for nothing. > >Hi all, > >I've a personal license for the IntelliJidea 7.0 IDEhttp://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > they use it. It is even more puzzling when they can have something > comparable like Eclipse, JDeveloper or NetBeans for nothing. I think that is no more transferable only from the moment that you activate it... About the quality of the software i don't know very much about various Java ide, each one have some pros and cons, imho i find intelliJ more adapt for who has already some java skill and want to speedup productivity, but maybe it lack some features that are usually included (for example) in ide like Netbeans On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:55:27 -0700 (PDT), Decagrog <Decagrog@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >I think that is no more transferable only from the moment that you >activate it... check with Ilia Dumov ilya.dumov at jetbrains.com on how to handle the transfer and if it is possible. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >It is even more puzzling when they can have something >comparable like Eclipse, JDeveloper or NetBeans for nothing. I am a big fan of IntelliJ. The reasons why you might be willing to fork out money include: 1. faster response. 2. constantly offers to improve your code. Just click to accept the tidy. 3. the extremely configurable code formatter/rearranger satisfies the anality of the average computer programmer. 4. it offers all kinds useful refactoring and lint. 5. There are people who are paid to answer your questions promptly and politely. On the net you normally have to take a dose of sarcasm and insult with your answer. 6. more intuitive interface. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:30:37 GMT, Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >6. more intuitive interface. 7. very good about integrating changes you make inside IntelliJ without outside. You don't really have to think. It just magically works. I think it saves very frequently in the background. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >>It is even more puzzling when they can have something >>comparable like Eclipse, JDeveloper or NetBeans for nothing. > >I am a big fan of IntelliJ. The reasons why you might be willing to >fork out money include: I'm sure IntelliJ is a better IDE than its competitors in some respects and I'm equally sure that one of Eclipse, NetBeans and JDeveloper is "best" in others. My post was intended to point out just how bad IntelliJ was in one particular respect. I think the purchaser of _any_ product should be entitled to sell it after they have finished with it. You have a free copy of IntelliJ that allows you to develop free software. If you write some commercial software the Open Source License Agreement <http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/opensource/license.html#openSource_licenseTerms> would not allow you to use it. Would you (or have you) paid $249.00 for IntelliJ IDEA? To me, this mean spirited restriction on your use of IntelliJ is another reason to reject the product. ><http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/opensource/license.html#openSource_licenseTerms> >would not allow you to use it. Would you (or have you) paid $249.00 >for IntelliJ IDEA? To me, this mean spirited restriction on your use >of IntelliJ is another reason to reject the product. If you are developing software commercially, you an afford a lot more than $249 if it even marginally improves your productivity. In any case, I don't think anyone can comment on its value without having used it for a month or two. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >><http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/opensource/license.html#openSource_licenseTerms> >>would not allow you to use it. Would you (or have you) paid $249.00 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >In any case, I don't think anyone can comment on its value without >having used it for a month or two. I agree with both those sentences but since you have used it for a month or two I don't understand why you didn't answer my question. Do you think that IntelliJ IDEA "improves your productivity" compared to Eclipse, JDeveloper or NetBeans? > Do >you think that IntelliJ IDEA "improves your productivity" compared to >Eclipse, JDeveloper or NetBeans? Yes. I explain why at http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html The main reason is it responds to my commands more quickly. The next most important reason is the lint, which catches all manner of problems. The next most important is the refactoring which saves all kinds of keystrokes, and does it more accurately. The emotional hook is the rearranger/reformatter which gives me far better control of how my code is tidied than any tool I have used before. I suppose to be fair, I should revisit all the tools and give them each time for my fingers to adjust, but there are not enough reasons to want to leave IntelliJ, so I'm not willing to invest that time. The one that most tempts me is Netbeans and its visual editor. I have used visual editors since JDK 1.0 days, and have not been impressed, though in theory I find them attractive. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >>It is even more puzzling when they can have something >>comparable like Eclipse, JDeveloper or NetBeans for nothing. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > 6. more intuitive interface. I used IntelliJ on the job back in about 2002/03, and quite frankly back then it was already an amazing Java IDE; there was nothing nearly as good. I have no doubts that it has gotten better in the last 5 years or so. Having said that, I currently use Eclipse and NetBeans both (Eclipse Europa on Windows XP, NetBeans 6.0 on both Windows XP and Debian Linux) and I am hard pressed to find lacking features (major ones) in either. IOW, I would have been easily convinced to pay money for IDEA 5 years ago (and I certainly have forked out cash for worthy tools before - I bought Metrowerks CodeWarrior for Mac about a decade ago because it was a great piece of gear), but I'd probably not do it now...Eclipse and NetBeans are simply good enough, and you can't beat free. AHS Signature* change 'two' to '2' to email me Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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