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Java Forum / General / March 2008VCS hosting?
I have create a collection of about 150 utilities, Applet, webstarts, libraries etc. in in Java, Assembler, C and C++. I always include source. Some of my stuff is shareware, but most freeware. There are special deals for people like me who provide open source. For example I have free copies of Jet and IntelliJ. However, the IntelliJ people want me to host a version control public server. Is there a service that would accept me? Is there one that would do it for a small fee? Because of my shareware and because I am not interested in letting anyone work on my code, and because my stuff is in multiple languages, and because it is so many small projects I don't fit the profile of what I have seen on places like SourceForge, and because of the controversial and sexual subjects on my associated website, I suspect I would have trouble getting accepted at the usual places. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > I have create a collection of about 150 utilities, Applet, webstarts, > libraries etc. in in Java, Assembler, C and C++. I always include [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > However, the IntelliJ people want me to host a version control public > server. > Because of my shareware and because I am not interested in letting > anyone work on my code, and because my stuff is in multiple languages, > and because it is so many small projects I don't fit the profile of > what I have seen on places like SourceForge, You can not prevent people from working with the open source part of your source code. Arne >You can not prevent people from working with the open source >part of your source code. That's not what I meant. I don't want them messing with my master copy. My projects are not collaborative. They are free do to with they want with the code they take away, with the exception of my non-military use restriction. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >> You can not prevent people from working with the open source >> part of your source code. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they want with the code they take away, with the exception of my > non-military use restriction. I'm not sure what you mean, either. But GPL does allow you to release your code under its license, and still retain a copy (or many copies) for yourself under what ever license you desire. Only the copy you release is covered by GPL. You own copy is still 100% yours. As far as "many small projects" I would just release it as a single library with a bunch of small useful classes.... On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:59:23 -0700, Mark Space <markspace@sbc.global.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >I'm not sure what you mean, either. But GPL does allow you to release >your code under its license, and still retain a copy (or many copies) >for yourself under what ever license you desire. Only the copy you >release is covered by GPL. You own copy is still 100% yours. My licence is not GPL because I restrict use to non-military. Other than that, I am pretty lax. I don't demand you give me credit, a don't demand you open your source. I don't demand you give away your code. I don't demand you use my code unmodified or provide it to others. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:33:47 GMT, Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >My licence is not GPL because I restrict use to non-military. >Other than that, I am pretty lax. I don't demand you give me credit, a >don't demand you open your source. I don't demand you give away your >code. I don't demand you use my code unmodified or provide it to >others. I have applied at SourceForge. I am hopeless at decoding legal documents. I could not decide if shareware violates their conditions or if my non-military clause does. So I just applied and left it up to them to reject me. I should get notice in three days. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:33:47 GMT, Roedy Green > <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > or if my non-military clause does. So I just applied and left it up to > them to reject me. I should get notice in three days. Isn't that waht "lesser GPLs" are for? (rhethorical, I really don't know). And shareware is no hindrance on sourfeorge IIRC. Some projects are "free" for personal use, but not commercial, so that should work.  SignatureSabine Dinis Blochberger Op3racional www.op3racional.eu > Isn't that waht "lesser GPLs" are for? (rhethorical, I really don't > know). > > And shareware is no hindrance on sourfeorge IIRC. Some projects are > "free" for personal use, but not commercial, so that should work. Neither of these are what Roedy is describing. Licenses are very specific things. I think Sourceforge does allow any license as long as it's "free" so the non-military use thing shouldn't bother them. Aside for the restriction on non-military use, I think Roedy license is "public domain." On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:09:31 GMT, Mark Space <markspace@sbc.global.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Neither of these are what Roedy is describing. Licenses are very >specific things. I think Sourceforge does allow any license as long as >it's "free" so the non-military use thing shouldn't bother them. > >Aside for the restriction on non-military use, I think Roedy license is >"public domain." They turned me down. My restriction is unacceptable. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >> I have applied at SourceForge. I am hopeless at decoding legal >> documents. I could not decide if shareware violates their conditions [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Isn't that waht "lesser GPLs" are for? (rhethorical, I really don't > know). No. LGPL does not have the viral effect of GPL when linking, but the rest is approx. the same. Arne On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:21:41 GMT, Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >I have applied at SourceForge. I am hopeless at decoding legal >documents. I could not decide if shareware violates their conditions >or if my non-military clause does. So I just applied and left it up to >them to reject me. I should get notice in three days. I have preemptively converted all my shareware to freeware. They still make choke on the "non military use" clause because it discriminates against serial murderers. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com [Snip] > Is there a service that would accept me? Is there one that would > do it for a small fee? [Snip] What version control system are you using. I used CVSDude a while back. They support CVS and Subversion with plans to do Git the last time I talked to them. They are commercial, but the fee isn't large. If you have access to your own server then running a public repository isn't difficult using any of these systems. Git is particularly easy to set up. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> > I have create a collection of about 150 utilities, Applet, webstarts, > libraries etc. in in Java, Assembler, C and C++. I always include [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > However, the IntelliJ people want me to host a version control public > server. Can it be sourceforge? Otherwise, you might have a chat with your webhoster to get you a vcs server (like cvs or svn). Maybe there's some system that works based on PHP and MySQL (which is the setup most webhosters have)... > Is there a service that would accept me? Is there one that would do > it for a small fee? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I also saw your concern with submissions getting in the way of your code, vcs allow branching, so there would be your branch for example, and a (or more) public branch... SignatureSabine Dinis Blochberger Op3racional www.op3racional.eu On Mar 10, 9:09 pm, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote: > I have create a collection of about 150 utilities, Applet, webstarts, > libraries etc. in in Java, Assembler, C and C++. I always include [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > controversial and sexual subjects on my associated website, I suspect > I would have trouble getting accepted at the usual places. Have you looked at Google Code? The "project hosting" is pretty free- form, with a subversion server set up for you with access control such that you control who can commit to it. Also, it's free. <http://code.google.com/> -o On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:22:55 -0700 (PDT), Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Have you looked at Google Code? The "project hosting" is pretty free- >form, with a subversion server set up for you with access control such >that you control who can commit to it. Also, it's free. that sounds good. I have been using WinCVS. The main thing I don't like about it is a lack of atomic commit. Somebody can fetch code while you are saving it, and they can get an incompatible set. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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