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Java Forum / General / January 2008Feeding the Trolls
Geez. A lot of this newsgroup's regulars have been had, it seems. I have NEVER, in my entire nearly-three-decade career of Usenet use, EVER seen a single troll string this many experienced netizens along for this amount of time before. You all know who you are, and which thread I'm referring to. YHBT. YHL. The troll is no doubt laughing his ayy arr ess eee off right at this very moment. You just keep replying and replying -- I've never seen a troll fattened this much by people feeding him so willingly before. This one must truly be a master of the art. This troll will not stop plaguing this newsgroup until you stop replying to him. All of you who seem to derive great amusement and pleasure from feeding this troll may very well qualify as trolls yourselves. If that's so, then this newsgroup has at least four trolls, posting under six ... nope, seven different identities. Do not reply to this message. Well, I expect the troll to reply to say I insulted him and that none of the insults are true, but nobody else reply to this message, nor the troll's inevitable reply to it. (I'd set followups but the troll would just edit his reply's headers to post his reply here anyway, so it doesn't seem worth the bother.) And quit feeding the &*$! troll! > Geez. A lot of this newsgroup's regulars have been had, it seems. I have > NEVER, in my entire nearly-three-decade career of Usenet use, EVER seen a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > And quit feeding the &*$! troll! Excellent advice.  SignatureLew > > [insults deleted] > [implied insult deleted] None of the nasty things that either of you have said or implied about me are at all true. > [insults deleted] None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. >> [insults deleted] > > None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at > all true. See? He's just too cute to not feed him! But we won't let him into the house... > See? He's just too cute to not feed him! > But we won't let him into the house... PLEASE! To those concerned: Keep it to the SWT-thread. To everyone else: Killfile the SWT-thread if it annoys you. /W On Jan 14, 9:24 am, Wildemar Wildenburger <lasses_w...@klapptsowieso.net> wrote: > > [implied insults deleted] None of the nasty things that Andreas has said or implied about me are at all true. > PLEASE! > > To those concerned: Keep it to the SWT-thread. No, keep it to /dev/null. It's off-topic in cljp. > On Jan 14, 9:24 am, Wildemar Wildenburger > <lasses_w...@klapptsowieso.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > No, keep it to /dev/null. It's off-topic in cljp. You mean follow your example ? Hmmm. Arne > > No, keep it to /dev/null. It's off-topic in cljp. > > [implied insult deleted] None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. >> See? He's just too cute to not feed him! >> But we won't let him into the house... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >To those concerned: Keep it to the SWT-thread. >To everyone else: Killfile the SWT-thread if it annoys you. PLEASE! Stop feeding the trolls. I guess you and Andreas also qualify as trolls. And Arne. Do I need to report you to your internet providers as such? I've already killfiled the SWT thread and everyone in it, but just fetching the headers for this group is now costing me excessive money when I do so on a mobile connection these days. Fully half of the headers these days are for posts I've killfiled. I don't expect twerps like the Twerpinator and his aliases to know better, but Arne and Andreas at least often post useful information to the newsgroup, so I have higher expectations of them. Perhaps I shouldn't. Now I've already complained about the Twerpinator, but Google Groups did nothing (surprise, surprise). It's starting to look like only complaining about the supposedly-responsible users that are feeding the troll will fix the abysmal SNR around here these days and reduce the group's header traffic back to normal. If it does not go back to normal fairly soon, I'll have to unsubscribe, which would be a crying shame since this group used to be really useful, and sometimes still is, for me, even if I mainly lurk. Your fun and games costs some people actual money. Even when they killfile the lot of your off-topic idiocy. Please stop it. > PLEASE! > > [snip good reasons, among which, sadly, is money] > > Please stop it. Point well taken. I would however like to continue the thread, because I think it provides a lot of insights into the human mind (among other things). I propose therefore, that we redirect the thread to alt.off-topic, where it belongs. I will send my replies there, set the F'UPs accordingly if need be, and add a special note to any remaining posts here. I hope that we can thereby on-topicify this newsgroup. I'm really sorry for the inconvenience we cause. /W >> PLEASE! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I propose therefore, that we redirect the thread to alt.off-topic Bad idea. From what I've seen, the individual in question will merely edit the newsgroups header to post his replies back here, then complain about "hijacking". The volume of noise here won't change much, or will actually get worse. Please just plain stop feeding the troll. jfaraday skrev: >>> PLEASE! >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Please just plain stop feeding the troll. I don't think he deserves to be called a troll. Trolls are more intelligent and have more rational motives. > I don't think he deserves to be called a troll. Trolls are more > intelligent and have more rational motives. Lars! Stop it! SignatureLew > > [insult deleted] > > Lars! Stop it! None of the nasty things that Lars has said or implied about me are at all true. > jfaraday skrev: > > > [insult deleted] > [insult deleted] None of the nasty things that either of you have said or implied about me are at all true. > [insult deleted] > [insult deleted] None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. >> PLEASE! >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I'm really sorry for the inconvenience we cause. Its highlighting an annoying feature of Thunderbird. It looks as though TB doesn't link new posts into threads until you try to read the first message in a newsgroup. Normally this isn't apparent: when you open the server's newsgroup set there's the usual pause while the headers are fetched and a very short pause when you highlight a group and hit N to get the first unread message. However, when a thread gets this long, TB sits for a minute or so after you hit N before it displays the first unread post. This seems to be related to the presence of very long threads in the group rather than to the number of posts because c.l.j.p. had almost as many posts in it before "The Great SWT Program" thread started but the long pause didn't appear until that thread grew to its current size and its head started to be chopped off as posts exceed their retention period. This may be more apparent to me than to some of the rest of you because this is only a 300 MHz machine. It hasn't got much RAM either, but that's not an issue because no there's no swapping (no disk activity) going on during the pause. Out of curiosity, is THE PAUSE specific to Thunderbird or do other newsreaders also have it. Signaturemartin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | Martin Gregorie wrote : > "The Great SWT Program" thread This thread has 2,800+ replies. Joys of an off-line reader. SignatureWojtek :-) > Martin Gregorie wrote : >> "The Great SWT Program" thread > > This thread has 2,800+ replies. > > Joys of an off-line reader. True enough, but that doesn't affect things in my case: TB is reading from a copy of leafnode which runs on a faster machine on my local LAN. Signaturemartin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | > Its highlighting an annoying feature of Thunderbird. It looks as though > TB doesn't link new posts into threads until you try to read the first [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Out of curiosity, is THE PAUSE specific to Thunderbird or do other > newsreaders also have it. I don't *think* I experience what you are describing - you mention the config of your machine but didn't mention the type of connection you are using, dial-up, DSL, satellite, etc.. Hitting "N"? I don't need to prompt TB to load the messages from the newsgroups I follow - simply highlighting the one I want to read either displays the list of headers or triggers downloading. I will watch for the behavior you described. AL BTW, if this topic develops, I would hope we could rename it to disassociate it from the "T" word... >> Its highlighting an annoying feature of Thunderbird. It looks as >> though TB doesn't link new posts into threads until you try to read [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > config of your machine but didn't mention the type of connection you are > using, dial-up, DSL, satellite, etc.. The connection is 100 Mb/s over CAT 5 to a server running leafnode (PIII @866 MHz, average ping response is 0.441 mS (local ping on the TB machine is 0.100 mS). > Hitting "N"? I don't need to prompt TB to load the messages from the > newsgroups I follow - simply highlighting the one I want to read either > displays the list of headers or triggers downloading. After clicking the ng to get the threaded list displayed I hit N to display the body of the first unread post. Its faster than scrolling down the list. > I will watch for the behavior you described. There's something a little more complex going on than I first thought: this ng is currently showing no delay. I haven't knowingly done anything that could have affected the ng, but maybe TN has expired a bunch of stuff, cleaned up the ng and/or disentangled some non-optimal bit of the chain. > BTW, if this topic develops, I would hope we could rename it to > disassociate it from the "T" word... Sounds like a good idea to me. Signaturemartin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | [ snip ] > Its highlighting an annoying feature of Thunderbird. It looks as though > TB doesn't link new posts into threads until you try to read the first [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Out of curiosity, is THE PAUSE specific to Thunderbird or do other > newsreaders also have it. A data point of possibly limited relevance: trn doesn't seem to do this. (But then, I doubt it's trying to fetch headers or posts for articles that are marked as read. I could of course be wrong about that!) SignatureB. L. Massingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor. >I propose therefore, that we redirect the thread to alt.off-topic, where >it belongs. I will send my replies there, set the F'UPs accordingly if >need be, and add a special note to any remaining posts here. I hope that >we can thereby on-topicify this newsgroup. I don't see how that is going to help when the replies to those will only get directed back here again. Also, my NNTP server doesn't carry that group and I am not going to start using Google Groups for this. Cheers, Bent D SignatureBent Dalager - bcd@pvv.org - http://www.pvv.org/~bcd powered by emacs >> I propose therefore, that we redirect the thread to alt.off-topic, where >> it belongs. I will send my replies there, set the F'UPs accordingly if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't see how that is going to help when the replies to those will > only get directed back here again. I tried it out, by directing only to alt.off-topic my reply to a cross-posted article, and the reply to my article did not get posted back here. > Also, my NNTP server doesn't carry that group and I am not going to > start using Google Groups for this. Then perhaps you could suggest a group you can access where the thread would not be grossly off-topic. Or just drop the thread. Note that it has become apparent that the size of the thread can cause time and/or money costs even to people who have killed it, because of the header processing. Patricia Patricia Shanahan skrev: >>> I propose therefore, that we redirect the thread to alt.off-topic, >>> where it belongs. I will send my replies there, set the F'UPs [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > time and/or money costs even to people who have killed it, because of > the header processing. I think it's time to drop the thread, however amusing it is to Bent and myself, and others. Most of it is getting stale, and it is obvious that there is no way to get Twisted to acknowledge defeat. Let him think that the has won. We know better. Don't reply to him! > [insults and other lies deleted] I have certainly not been "defeated". None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. >I think it's time to drop the thread, however amusing it is to Bent and >myself, and others. Most of it is getting stale, and it is obvious that >there is no way to get Twisted to acknowledge defeat. Let him think that >the has won. We know better. Don't reply to him! My aim has not been to get Twisted to admit defeat - I realized that this was an impossibility in a previous thread that I used to probe his nature (this was the thread in which I was reasonably polite to him). Rather, I have been trying to keep him out of the other threads of this group and confine him to one single cesspool instead of having him screw up threads all over the place. I think it would be a very bad idea to discontinue this practice as doing so will once more release him upon a great number of other threads that might otherwise have been both informative and rewarding. Nevertheless, I shall respect the wishes of all those who want the SWT thread to end and stop participating in that debate. Cheers, Bent D SignatureBent Dalager - bcd@pvv.org - http://www.pvv.org/~bcd powered by emacs > In article <4794DF43.6090...@gmail.com>, > >[insults deleted] > [numerous vicious insults deleted] None of the nasty things that either of you have said or implied about me are at all true. You fundamentally misunderstand my goals. I have not been trying to convince you of anything since it became clear very quickly that that was futile due to a combination of your stubbornness, your low IQ, and your irrationality. I have instead been correcting misinformation posted about a) me and b) certain computer software for the benefits of anyone else reading. As I have explained numerous times. > Nevertheless, I shall respect the wishes of all those who want the SWT > thread to end and stop participating in that debate. Ding, dong, the witch is dead? We shall see. Bent has more than adequately demonstrated himself to be an incorrigible pathological liar, so I'm taking this capitulation with rather a large grain of salt. One roughly the size of Rhode Island. On Jan 18, 4:14 pm, Wildemar Wildenburger <lasses_w...@klapptsowieso.net> wrote: > I propose therefore, that we redirect the thread to alt.off-topic No, /dev/null > >> See? He's just too cute to not feed him! > >> But we won't let him into the house... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > headers for this group is now costing me excessive money when I do so on a > mobile connection these days. [ snip ] Well, as one of the offenders [*], a few points .... I hadn't thought about there being costs that couldn't be avoiding by appropriate use of killfiles. Good point. I've tried to avoid the name-calling and stick to technical debate, though if you want to argue that off-topic and contentious technical debate is hardly better than name-calling, well, maybe so. I've learned some things from the debate, mainly that typical Windows applications might be more capable than I knew, and it would be interesting to pursue the whole "Unix tools versus Windows tools" discussion in some more appropriate and collegial venue -- specifically, I'd be interested in getting "how to" tips for doing some of the things mentioned by the Windows-tools advocate. Any suggestions for newsgroups where that discussion would be appropriate and productive are welcome! [*] Which may well mean that you won't even see this post, or if you do you'll put me on your list of people whose ISPs you plan to complain to. I do hope you won't find that appropriate, but it's your decision. <shrug>, maybe. SignatureB. L. Massingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor. A couple of clarifications: [ snip ] > > PLEASE! > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Well, as one of the offenders [*], a few points .... Grammar/usage nitpick: Aaaarrgghh -- did I write that? this kind of dangling modifier is one of my pet peeves when other people do it. (I think I meant something along the lines of "as one of the offenders, I'd like to make a few points.") Not that it matters, but I guess I want it on record that I do know better? Content clarification: My post was meant as an apology of sorts, for contributing to the long-playing spectacle. [ snip ] SignatureB. L. Massingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor. On Jan 21, 10:29 pm, blm...@myrealbox.com <blm...@myrealbox.com> wrote: > > > [insult deleted] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > [snip] None of the nasty things that jfaraday has said or implied about me are at all true. > Stop feeding the trolls. I guess you and Andreas also qualify as trolls. And > Arne. I am not aware of any precise definition of a troll. After my understanding then twerpie shows trollish behavior but I don't think his motivation is trolling. I consider it totally unacceptable that you call other people for trolls because you disagree with what we consider the best way to deal with twerpie. Don't feed the troll is a classic usenet practice, but since twerpie is not a classic troll, then it does not apply. > Do I need to report you to your internet providers as such? > Now I've already complained about the Twerpinator, but Google > Groups did nothing (surprise, surprise). It's starting to look like only > complaining about the supposedly-responsible users that are feeding the troll > will fix the abysmal SNR around here these days and reduce the group's header > traffic back to normal. Let me see if I understand this correctly: - you have concluded that you can not get GG to do anything about twerpie - you think that you can get people replying to his posts blocked That theory has a couple of holes in it: 1) I think some of the people replying to his posts are capable of creating GG accounts as well 2) as soon as the big SWT thread dies out then twerpie will start replying to various other posts and then new people will be upset and start replying to his posts - it will be a never ending effort to get people blocked > I've > already killfiled the SWT thread and everyone in it, but just fetching the > headers for this group is now costing me excessive money when I do so on a > mobile connection these days. Fully half of the headers these days are for > posts I've killfiled. > If it does not go back to normal fairly soon, I'll > have to unsubscribe, which would be a crying shame since this group used to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Please stop it. That is actually an important point. And I must admit that I was completely unaware of it. But I think you are being a bit optimistic if you think you in a single post can both say that you want to complain to peoples ISP *and* ask them to show some consideration for you. Arne ... >> Your fun and games costs some people actual money. Even when they >> killfile [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > single post can both say that you want to complain to peoples ISP > *and* ask them to show some consideration for you. How about Wildemar's idea of moving the discussion to alt.off-topic? It would let comp.lang.java.programmer go back to being predominantly about Java programming, while allowing those who want to continue the thread to do so. Patricia > How about Wildemar's idea of moving the discussion to alt.off-topic? It > would let comp.lang.java.programmer go back to being predominantly about > Java programming, while allowing those who want to continue the thread > to do so. It is a good idea. Not so practical for me, since my news provider does not carry that group. But that should not be stop a good idea. We just need to see if the "main character" wants to follow or instead will find new "innocent threads" here to "contribute" to. I am not that optimistic. Arne > > How about Wildemar's idea of moving the discussion to alt.off-topic? It > > would let comp.lang.java.programmer go back to being predominantly about > > Java programming, while allowing those who want to continue the thread > > to do so. > > It is a good idea. No, /dev/null is a good idea. > [implied insult deleted] None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. >How about Wildemar's idea of moving the discussion to alt.off-topic? It >would let comp.lang.java.programmer go back to being predominantly about >Java programming, while allowing those who want to continue the thread >to do so. Did you read my reply to Wildemar? I'm fairly sure a certain someone would just post their replies to the thread back into cljp. Those who want to continue the thread seem to have questionable motives anyway. > >> [insult deleted] > >> Please stop it. None of the nasty things that jfaraday has said or implied about me are at all true. > > That is actually an important point. And I must admit that I was > > completely unaware of it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > How about Wildemar's idea of moving the discussion to alt.off-topic? /dev/null would be better. > ... >>> Your fun and games costs some people actual money. Even when they [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Java programming, while allowing those who want to continue the thread > to do so. In case you haven't noticed: our main source for entertainment has just created yet another gmail account to post from (here - not a.o-t). Arne > >>> [insults everyone, including me] > >> [insults jfaraday] > > [bad idea deleted] > [implied insult deleted] None of the nasty things that Arne and jfaraday have said or implied about me are at all true. > > [insult deleted][insults Arne and Andreas too] None of the nasty things that jfaraday has said or implied about me are at all true. > [insults deleted] None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. > > [insults and threat deleted] None of the nasty things that jfaraday has said or implied about me are at all true. I don't respond well to threats. > [insults deleted] None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. > > [insult deleted] > > Please stop it. None of the nasty things that jfaraday has said or implied about me are at all true. > [insults deleted] None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. On Jan 14, 1:57 am, Andreas Leitgeb <a...@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> wrote: > bbo...@gmail.com <bbo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [insults deleted] > > None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at > > all true. > [implied insults deleted] None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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