You know you're a Java freak when...

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Daniel Pitts - 06 Dec 2007 20:55 GMT

You know you're a Java freak when:
1. You successfully read the Java SE API Javadocs as a tutorial.
1b. Extra points if you did that for fun.
2. Quote the JLS on a regular basis.
2b. Extra points for quoting the VM spec as well.
3. Have a personalized license-plate that is Java related.
4. Refuse to use Python unless its in the Jython form.
5. Complain when a colleague doesn't use a Factory Pattern.
6. To you, Agile is a noun, not an adjective.
7. Post on-topic frequently to comp.lang.java.*.
8. Have yet another blog/site/forum/group devoted to Java.
9. You forget basic C++ syntax because its been too long.
10. Have a strong opinion on adding typedef or operator overloading to
the language.
10b. Extra points if you have a working version of javac that includes
either of those features.
11. What's Ruby? Oh, is that like Groovy?

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mekane - 06 Dec 2007 21:27 GMT

> You know you're a Java freak when...

Awesome!

> 3. Have a personalized license-plate that is Java related.
> 10b. Extra points if you have a working version of javac that includes
> either of those features.

I'm curious whether you (or anyone else) meets either of these.

-marty

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Daniel Pitts - 06 Dec 2007 21:32 GMT

>> You know you're a Java freak when...
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> -marty

I know someone who has #3. Before Java was widespread, he had "OS2XPTR".

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Aryeh M. Friedman - 06 Dec 2007 22:06 GMT

On Dec 6, 3:55 pm, Daniel Pitts
<newsgroup.spamfil...@virtualinfinity.net> wrote:

> You know you're a Java freak when:
> 1. You successfully read the Java SE API Javadocs as a tutorial.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> --
> Daniel Pitts' Tech Blog: <http://virtualinfinity.net/wordpress/>

12. You are planning to write a OS completely in Java treating the
target hardware as a VM that is identical to a x86?

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Joshua Cranmer - 06 Dec 2007 22:43 GMT

> You know you're a Java freak when:
> 1. You successfully read the Java SE API Javadocs as a tutorial.
> 1b. Extra points if you did that for fun.

How much of it?

> 2. Quote the JLS on a regular basis.
> 2b. Extra points for quoting the VM spec as well.

/me whistles away

> 3. Have a personalized license-plate that is Java related.
> 4. Refuse to use Python unless its in the Jython form.
> 5. Complain when a colleague doesn't use a Factory Pattern.
> 6. To you, Agile is a noun, not an adjective.

None to these four.

> 7. Post on-topic frequently to comp.lang.java.*.

Comes and goes. In the latter stage right now.

> 8. Have yet another blog/site/forum/group devoted to Java.

Nope.

> 9. You forget basic C++ syntax because its been too long.

I develop in both C++ and Java, but I have some things on this at the end.

> 10. Have a strong opinion on adding typedef or operator overloading to
> the language.

Only operator overloading.

> 10b. Extra points if you have a working version of javac that includes
> either of those features.

Thought about it, but am currently sticking with only working at the
bytecode level right now.

> 11. What's Ruby? Oh, is that like Groovy?

Don't get me started on that; my first exposure with Ruby involved a
painful experience.

Added ones:
2c. Extra points if you have a local copy of the JLS or VM spec.
12. Unable to work with other languages very well:
12a. Complains about the difficulty with working with strings.
12b. Discovering that not every programming language gracefully handles
outputting \u2588 to the console.
12c. Unable to use the STL in C++.
13. Your first response to someone saying "Don't use Java" is "Why not?"
13b. Extra points when you answer to the retort ("It's slow") with "show
me a case where it's slow" and then proceed to launch a half-hour
discussion showing that Java is not as slow as people think it is.
14. You can make a list with 11 points as to why someone's a Java freak.
14b. More extra points than you can imagine if all are true for you.

Since five of the above were false for me and I only added three more, I
don't qualify for 14b... :)

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Daniel Pitts - 06 Dec 2007 23:04 GMT

> Added ones:
> 2c. Extra points if you have a local copy of the JLS or VM spec.

*cough cough*, uh, me. :-)

> 12. Unable to work with other languages very well:
> 12a. Complains about the difficulty with working with strings.
> 12b. Discovering that not every programming language gracefully handles
> outputting \u2588 to the console.
> 12c. Unable to use the STL in C++.
> 13. Your first response to someone saying "Don't use Java" is "Why not?"

Ahem. If I know the overall project, and Java seems like a good fit,
will ask "why not?", but if its not a good fit, I will agree.

> 13b. Extra points when you answer to the retort ("It's slow") with "show
> me a case where it's slow" and then proceed to launch a half-hour
> discussion showing that Java is not as slow as people think it is.

Applies to posting on-topic at comp.lang.java.* :-)

> 14. You can make a list with 11 points as to why someone's a Java freak.

Yes, I am a Java freak.

> 14b. More extra points than you can imagine if all are true for you.

Not all of them are true for me :-)

> Since five of the above were false for me and I only added three more, I
> don't qualify for 14b... :)
:-)

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Andreas Leitgeb - 08 Dec 2007 17:11 GMT

> 12b. Discovering that not every programming language gracefully handles
> outputting \u2588 to the console.

What's so special about it? I quickly hacked it into a Tcl-shell
running in a gnome-terminal and it printed out a char that looked
like a black box. Which principially unicode-aware OS/language
combinations do something else? (or is this about those other
non-unicode aware prog-language-environments?)

What would be an "ungraceful" result for such a thing?

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Daniel Pitts - 08 Dec 2007 19:40 GMT

>> 12b. Discovering that not every programming language gracefully handles
>> outputting \u2588 to the console.
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> What would be an "ungraceful" result for such a thing?

Apparently that is exactly what it's supposed to do:
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2588/index.htm

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Lew - 08 Dec 2007 21:03 GMT

>>> 12b. Discovering that not every programming language gracefully
>>> handles outputting \u2588 to the console.
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> Apparently that is exactly what it's supposed to do:
> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2588/index.htm

One possible ungraceful result might be to see the characters "u2588" emitted
to the console.

That Tcl shows it correctly does not prove that every programming language will.

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Andreas Leitgeb - 09 Dec 2007 07:58 GMT

>>>> 12b. Discovering that not every programming language gracefully
>>>> handles outputting \u2588 to the console.
> One possible ungraceful result might be to see the characters "u2588" emitted
> to the console.

From Joshua's wording ("gracefully"), I thought something worse than just
non-support would show up under some circumstances.

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