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Java Forum / General / December 2007New mindprod.com website
If you want, you can try out the new Mindprod.com site at http://65.110.21.43 It should be quite a bit quicker with much faster hardware and a bigger pipe into the Internet. http://mindprod.com will direct you to the old site at http://65.110.21.60 for now. Google ads funded this.  SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > If you want, you can try out the new Mindprod.com site at > http://65.110.21.43 > > It should be quite a bit quicker with much faster hardware and a > bigger pipe into the Internet. Roedy, I have just tried it and unless the whole world is trying to at the same time I have to say it is so slow that it's practically unusable. SignatureAnd loving it, -Q _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me) > > If you want, you can try out the new Mindprod.com site at > >http://65.110.21.43 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Roedy, I have just tried it and unless the whole world is trying to at the > same time I have to say it is so slow that it's practically unusable. Whereas I had the opposite experience (Vancouver, Canada, from a reasonably fast residential connection). Mileage, clearly, varies. What's the new pipe, Mr. Green? -O On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:23:30 -0800 (PST), Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >What's the new pipe, Mr. Green? According to my ISP, the new server has: has two 100 Mbps ethernet connections to our upstream, which are unlimited (partly because we aren't in the "95th percentile billing" model), and they have over 65 peers and 10 Gbps ethernet connections to various backbones (some which are even faster than that). In short, we're well connected. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >Roedy, I have just tried it and unless the whole world is trying to at the >same time I have to say it is so slow that it's practically unusable. Hmm. Where are you calling from? I call in from Victoria, and it is much faster than it used to be. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >>Roedy, I have just tried it and unless the whole world is trying to at the >>same time I have to say it is so slow that it's practically unusable. > > Hmm. Where are you calling from? Australia. I've just tried it again and it's p-a-i-n-f-u-l-l-y slow. SignatureAnd loving it, -Q _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me) >Australia. I've just tried it again and it's p-a-i-n-f-u-l-l-y slow. is the old one any faster? SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > ... As we're just talking of your website, I once wrote some kind of "bug-report" for one of the "Student's projects", namely the "Interface Finder". It's the "2.) Split it at the semicolons ..." lines, of which I think it's bad style, because unnecessarily platform-dependent. The only valid "char" to use is: File.pathSeparatorChar I don't know, if you just missed that bugfix, or if you don't want to fix it for whatever other reasons, though. >>Australia. I've just tried it again and it's p-a-i-n-f-u-l-l-y slow. > > is the old one any faster? Yes, significantly so. SignatureAnd loving it, -Q _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me) >>> Roedy, I have just tried it and unless the whole world is trying to >>> at the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Australia. I've just tried it again and it's p-a-i-n-f-u-l-l-y slow. It's fine from Brisbane - something wrong with your end. I'm with TPG. >>Roedy, I have just tried it and unless the whole world is trying to at the >>same time I have to say it is so slow that it's practically unusable. > > Hmm. Where are you calling from? > > I call in from Victoria, and it is much faster than it used to be. It's about the same for me. That is, the old site wasn't noticeably slow, and neither is the new one. I'm in the U.S., in a small town you've probably never heard of, about 70 miles west of Washington D.C. sherm-- SignatureWV News, Blogging, and Discussion: http://wv-www.com Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net > It should be quite a bit quicker with much faster hardware and a > bigger pipe into the Internet. Just thought I'd sound off on this, too. I'm in Massachusetts, USA, and the site loaded nice and quick! Nice upgrade, Roedy. >If you want, you can try out the new Mindprod.com site at >http://65.110.21.43 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Google ads funded this. Also in Massachusetts USA, on cable. A few places feel a bit slower than the old site ... but just a bit. The table on the Java glossary page doesn't render properly in Firefox 2.0.0.10. Some of the image links are rendered as text - apparently the name of the image instead of the image itself. The links all appear to work, they just look wrong. Everything works properly in IE. see http://65.110.21.43/jgloss/jgloss.html Overall though a nice job! George -- for email reply remove "/" from address On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:06:50 -0500, George Neuner <gneuner2/@/comcast.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >The table on the Java glossary page doesn't render properly in Firefox >2.0.0.10. Some of the image links are rendered as text - apparently >the name of the image instead of the image itself. The links all >appear to work, they just look wrong. Everything works properly in >IE. see http://65.110.21.43/jgloss/jgloss.html that happens if the downloads for the images time out. You can fix it with a reload to get the images into cache. I used to see it from time to time on the old site. ISP suggested some of the slowness of the new vs old could be attributed to having to recache stuff that you would have locally cached already from the old site, especially all the images. It should correct itself after a bit of use. There was a problem with slowness to the old site that turned out to be an improperly configured routing table. It seems odd that and Australian routing table would distinguish between two such similar IPs. Some thoughts on the painful Australian performance. try ping 65.110.21.43 and ping 65.110.21.60 to compare raw socket speed. Perhaps something about the way the new server is configured and your browser or TCP/IP stack is the culprit. What OS and browser are you using? SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > try > ping 65.110.21.43 > and > ping 65.110.21.60 > to compare raw socket speed. U.S., mid-Atlantic seaboard: $ ping 65.110.21.43 --- 65.110.21.43 ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 112.092/119.695/147.069/10.425 ms $ ping 65.110.21.60 --- 65.110.21.60 ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 111.934/127.964/176.515/24.135 ms Fedora 7, 64b, kernel 2.6.23.1-21.fc7 SignatureLew (I am not Quoll, but I am also in Australia..) >Some thoughts on the painful Australian performance. > try >ping 65.110.21.43 >and >ping 65.110.21.60 >to compare raw socket speed. Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 65.110.21.43 Pinging 65.110.21.43 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 65.110.21.43: bytes=32 time=192ms TTL=242 Reply from 65.110.21.43: bytes=32 time=204ms TTL=242 Reply from 65.110.21.43: bytes=32 time=196ms TTL=242 Reply from 65.110.21.43: bytes=32 time=202ms TTL=242 Ping statistics for 65.110.21.43: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 192ms, Maximum = 204ms, Average = 198ms C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 65.110.21.60 Pinging 65.110.21.60 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 65.110.21.60: bytes=32 time=195ms TTL=242 Reply from 65.110.21.60: bytes=32 time=193ms TTL=242 Reply from 65.110.21.60: bytes=32 time=190ms TTL=242 Reply from 65.110.21.60: bytes=32 time=194ms TTL=242 Ping statistics for 65.110.21.60: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 190ms, Maximum = 195ms, Average = 193ms >..Perhaps something about the way the new >server is configured and your browser or TCP/IP stack is the culprit. >What OS and browser are you using? Win XP Pro. IE 6. Note that I tried your new IP the other night, but my *own* connection is bandwidth throttled*, so I am not in a good position to do web site download 'speed testing'. * Does the ping info. somehow get around that throttling? SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.physci.org/ > (I am not Quoll, but I am also in Australia..) > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > * Does the ping info. somehow get around that throttling? Well, an ICMP ECHO message is on the order of a hundred bytes per second, normally -- not exactly likely to saturate your bandwidth cap. You said nothing of a *latency* limit, which is what ping measures. :) Cheers, -O >On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:06:50 -0500, George Neuner ><gneuner2/@/comcast.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >with a reload to get the images into cache. I used to see it from time >to time on the old site. Could be something with Firefox. Refreshing doesn't fix the problem, it just changes which images don't load. Each refresh yields a different looking table and I can't seem to get all the images at the same time. OTOH, the Java glossary page is the only page that this happens. >ISP suggested some of the slowness of the new vs old could be >attributed to having to recache stuff that you would have locally >cached already from the old site, especially all the images. It should >correct itself after a bit of use. I'm downloading fresh each session. My browsers nuke their caches when exiting - very few of the websites I frequent have a lot of static content so the caches tend to get filled with junk that will never be used again. I haven't clocked the downloads, it is just an impression that some pages are a bit slower on the new site. George -- for email reply remove "/" from address On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:02:05 -0500, George Neuner <gneuner2/@/comcast.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Could be something with Firefox. Refreshing doesn't fix the problem, >it just changes which images don't load. Each refresh yields a >different looking table and I can't seem to get all the images at the >same time. Are you using Firefox 2.0.0.10? I'd like to report this to the Firefox people. I have never seen that happen with any browser anywhere. Is there any sort of caching going on beyond what the browser does? SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:02:05 -0500, George Neuner ><gneuner2/@/comcast.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Are you using Firefox 2.0.0.10? I'd like to report this to the Firefox >people. I have never seen that happen with any browser anywhere. Yes I am using 2.0.0.10. .11 is out already but I haven't upgraded yet. >Is there any sort of caching going on beyond what the browser does? No. George -- for email reply remove "/" from address Its all working at a good speed from here (Opera 9.24, Linux, ADSL at 4.6 Mb/sec). Seems to be OK with Firefox too. Signaturemartin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:02:05 -0500, George Neuner <gneuner2/@/comcast.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >I haven't clocked the downloads, it is just an impression that some >pages are a bit slower on the new site. You are calling from? SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:02:05 -0500, George Neuner ><gneuner2/@/comcast.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >You are calling from? Massachusetts, USA on Comcast cable. George -- for email reply remove "/" from address On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:02:05 -0500, George Neuner <gneuner2/@/comcast.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Could be something with Firefox. Refreshing doesn't fix the problem, >it just changes which images don't load. Each refresh yields a >different looking table and I can't seem to get all the images at the >same time. > >OTOH, the Java glossary page is the only page that this happens. does this happen BOTH with http://65.110.20.60/jgloss/jgloss.html (old) and new http://65.110.21.43/jgloss/jgloss.html (new) ? SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > does this happen BOTH with > http://65.110.20.60/jgloss/jgloss.html (old) 404. > and new > http://65.110.21.43/jgloss/jgloss.html (new) Loads fine, but yes, it looks slow. I can see each graphic paint itself. Firefox 2.0.0.10 on (AMD) 64-bit Fedora 7. East-coast U.S., Mid-Atlantic region. Infinitely faster than the other link. SignatureLew Lew schreef: >> does this happen BOTH with >> http://65.110.20.60/jgloss/jgloss.html (old) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Infinitely faster than the other link. I know there is a ‘canvas’ issue with FF 20010, and 20011 is being worked on. Might that be the cause? Canvas has something to do with graphics, so it is likely. I think it is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405728 H. SignatureHendrik Maryns http://tcl.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de/~hendrik/ ================== http://aouw.org Ask smart questions, get good answers: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:02:05 -0500, George Neuner ><gneuner2/@/comcast.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >does this happen BOTH with >http://65.110.20.60/jgloss/jgloss.html (old) This URL doesn't work - page is not found. >and new >http://65.110.21.43/jgloss/jgloss.html (new) Today (Nov 30) it is working properly. Did you (or your ISP) change something or did the stars just align? George -- for email reply remove "/" from address On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:42:48 -0500, George Neuner <gneuner2/@/comcast.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Today (Nov 30) it is working properly. Did you (or your ISP) change >something or did the stars just align? 1974-11-30 is a day I mark with more significance than my birthdate. Something extremely peculiar happened that day I still can't explain. My current best theory is that a friend, now dead, slipped me an extremely large dose of LSD. There are still residuals from it, like dreaming of a airliner flying through a glass office tower and emerging the other side with building and plane unscathed a few days before 9/11. The "soundtrack" was from a Chanel perfume "share the fantasy" commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx3Na_7inPI&feature=related in which a shadow of an airliner passes over the Air America building. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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