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aretuska@gmail.com - 25 Nov 2007 23:01 GMT
Hi, i want to develop a web application for transmiting a streaming
(sound+video).There are 4 net-videocameras. I don't want to record a
file and then transmit it but i want directly send the streaming of
videocameras to the web. which libraries can i use?
I thank for the help and i'm sorry for my bad english

Luigi
Roedy Green - 26 Nov 2007 04:26 GMT
>Hi, i want to develop a web application for transmiting a streaming
>(sound+video).There are 4 net-videocameras. I don't want to record a
>file and then transmit it but i want directly send the streaming of
>videocameras to the web. which libraries can i use?
>I thank for the help and i'm sorry for my bad english

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jai.html
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Andrew Thompson - 26 Nov 2007 09:33 GMT
>>Hi, i want to develop a web application for transmiting a streaming
>>(sound+video).There are 4 net-videocameras. I don't want to record a
>>file and then transmit it but i want directly send the streaming of
>>videocameras to the web. which libraries can i use?
...
>see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jai.html

I would suggest the JMF would be the best bet for
the core of tthis system.

See the links from the Mindprod page above.

Despite that 'It is stagnant..' & due for replacement in
Java 7 by JMC (I do not think the early versions will
support streaming(?)), it is capable of streaming video
and audio data across the web.

The real problem, or issue, is how much *bandwidth*
it will take to stream 4 separate video/webcam signals,
plus audio, at any good quality.

What sort of Frames Per Second/widthXheight video
are you wanting to stream?  What quality of sound?
12KHz 8 bit mono (very low)?  44.1KHz stereo (CD
quality)?

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Lew - 26 Nov 2007 14:14 GMT
> 12KHz 8 bit mono (very low)?  44.1KHz stereo (CD
> quality)?

There is an irony in the words "CD" and "quality" appearing together with
respect to audio fidelity.

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RedGrittyBrick - 26 Nov 2007 15:21 GMT
>> 12KHz 8 bit mono (very low)?  44.1KHz stereo (CD quality)?
>
> There is an irony in the words "CD" and "quality" appearing together
> with respect to audio fidelity.

Many years ago, during one of the management fads that my employer
underwent, I was sent on a training course in Total Quality Management
and learned of "appropriate quality".

Many years before that, I read this:

http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Motorcycle-Maintenance-Inquiry/dp/0553277472

"Quality -- you know what it is, yet you don't know what it is. But
that's self-contradictory. But some things are better than others, that
is, they have more quality. But when you try to say what the quality is,
apart from the things that have it, it all goes poof! There's nothing to
talk about. But if you can't say what Quality is, how do you know what
it is, or how do you know that it even exists? If no one knows what it
is, then for all practical purposes it doesn't exist at all. But for all
practical purposes it really does exist. What else are the grades based
on? Why else would people pay fortunes for some things and throw others
in the trash pile? Obviously some things are better than others -- but
what's the 'betterness'? -- So round and round you go, spinning mental
wheels and nowhere finding anyplace to get traction. What the hell is
Quality? What is it?"
John W. Kennedy - 27 Nov 2007 22:26 GMT
> "Quality -- you know what it is, yet you don't know what it is. But
> that's self-contradictory. But some things are better than others, that
> is, they have more quality.

Only to the illiterate. "Vile" is a quality, too.
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RedGrittyBrick - 28 Nov 2007 10:52 GMT
It would be more accurate to say I quoted someone else.

>> ["...] But some things are better than others,
>> that is, they have more quality. [..."]
>
> Only to the illiterate.

I'm pretty sure that nether you, I, nor Pirsig are illiterate ;-)

> "Vile" is a quality, too.

In some contexts, something that is vile *is* better. For example a
flavouring intended to be applied to young children's fingernails to
discourage nail-chewing.

In that context vile *is* better than delicious.

Maybe you were objecting the the seemingly awkward construction "they
have more quality". In which case I find it helpful to substitute the
word goodness for quality and see if the construction seems less
unnatural. According to my copy of the OED, quality has six meanings,
several associate quality with excellence. Anyway, Pirsig is recounting
the use of rhetoric in a pedagogic situation at a time when he was
grappling with the meaning of quality. So I'd not hold that passage up
for rigorous philosophical dissection.
RedGrittyBrick - 28 Nov 2007 11:14 GMT
> I'm pretty sure that nether you, I, nor Pirsig are illiterate ;-)

Nether? Ugh,

Using "neither" for more than two subjects seems wrong too.

:-(
Lew - 28 Nov 2007 14:37 GMT
>> I'm pretty sure that nether you, I, nor Pirsig are illiterate ;-)
>
> Nether? Ugh,
>
> Using "neither" for more than two subjects seems wrong too.

Not to a colloquial speaker.  It's similar to "between" with multiple object,
which implies a pairwise comparison among all the members.  "None of", or the
more archaic, "Nor" at the beginning ("Nor you, nor I, nor Pirsig himself
shall ...") both sound somewhat stilted.

Besides, the practice of "neither ... nor ..." for multiple objects is very
well established at least in American English, thanks to, "Neither rain, nor
snow, nor sleet, nor hail, nor dark of night ...".

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John W. Kennedy - 28 Nov 2007 15:09 GMT
>>> I'm pretty sure that nether you, I, nor Pirsig are illiterate ;-)
>>
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> very well established at least in American English, thanks to, "Neither
> rain, nor snow, nor sleet, nor hail, nor dark of night ...".

Actually, that's a quotation (I do not know the translator) from
Herodotus, referring to the couriers of the Persian Empire.

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