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Java Forum / General / November 2007A doubt...
how can i store an array of URLs in a file and retrieve them whaen i select a component in my GUI? >how can i store an array of URLs in a file and retrieve them whaen i >select a component in my GUI? Many different ways, including the Java programming language. <http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/> For more specific answers, ask more specific questions, but note: 1) There are sections of the Java Tutorial covering each of the aspects of code mentioned above. 2) GIYF 3) This is not a 'help desk'. 4) A better groups for beginners in Java is comp.lang.java.help 5) The word 'I' should be capitalised always, and adding a single Capital Letter at the start of each sentence, makes text easier to read.  SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ ... >5) The word ... Oh, and 'A doubt'* means athiests. Your subject line should have been either 'A question' or better, "Load URLs from file to GUI on click" (or something similarly descriptive). * And no, I do not care that 'a doubt' means 'a question' to 'some cultures'. This is an international forum conducted in English, and in this context, 'doubt' means 'not trusting something, that other people believe'. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ > .. >> 5) The word ... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in English, and in this context, 'doubt' means 'not trusting > something, that other people believe'. It is, as you say, an international forum. As such, readers should be aware that there are many dialects of English, including a really weird one written and spoken in the USA. Until I moved to California, I had little idea which of the English English usages I had learned as my native language were shared with US English, and which were not. I don't think it is reasonable to insist on people writing specifically in US English. Any understandable written dialect of English should be acceptable. The only good reason I see to question a usage is if you do not, in fact, understand it. Patricia >> .. >>> 5) The word ... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > acceptable. The only good reason I see to question a usage is if you do > not, in fact, understand it. I am curious how widespread the use is of "to doubt" to mean something other than "to mistrust information". It confuses me every time I see the word used to mean simply "to have a question". Are we sure that the latter usage is an English dialect and not a mistranslation from some other language? SignatureLew > I am curious how widespread the use is of "to doubt" to mean something > other than "to mistrust information". In Shakespeare, it often means "fear". > It confuses me every time I see > the word used to mean simply "to have a question". > Are we sure that the latter usage is an English dialect and not a > mistranslation from some other language? But "doubt" meaning "a matter to be clarified" is normal in Indian English. (For multiple historic reasons, English is one of the official languages of India, is widely spoken by Indians one to another, and is also employed as a literary language.) SignatureJohn W. Kennedy "Give up vows and dogmas, and fixed things, and you may grow like That. ...you may come to think a blow bad, because it hurts, and not because it humiliates. You may come to think murder wrong, because it is violent, and not because it is unjust." -- G. K. Chesterton. "The Ball and the Cross" Lew wrote: >> I am curious how widespread the use is of "to doubt" to mean >> something other than "to mistrust information". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Are we sure that the latter usage is an English dialect >> and not a mistranslation from some other language? > But "doubt" meaning "a matter to be clarified" is normal in Indian > English. (For multiple historic reasons, English is one of the official > languages of India, is widely spoken by Indians one to another, and is > also employed as a literary language.) Yes, I have learned this from this thread, and it has broadened my horizons. For the record, and to ameliorate Roedy's and probably other people's concerns, I have always been fascinated by language and linguistics, and this is one of those very interesting things. I appreciate the education that resulted from my curiosity. It is reasonable for speakers of Indian English to be aware that a large number of English speakers would be thrown by that usage, but that is not any denigration of their own dialect. It's similar to the fact that I have no idea what a billabong is, and I bet lots of English-speaking folk have a similar ignorance. It's all in the interest of enhanced communication. And no, it's not hazing to ask about an unfamiliar idiom. SignatureLew > It is, as you say, an international forum. As such, readers should be > aware that there are many dialects of English, [ ... ] > I don't think it is reasonable to insist on people writing > specifically in US English. Any understandable written dialect of > English should be acceptable. [ ... ] IIRC, from our last discussion on the topic, we concluded that the usage of a "doubt" meaning a question was limited to the Indian dialect of English, which is generally not spoken by many of the prominent denizens of c.l.j.p. I do agree with you that limiting discussion to US English is unreasonable. I won't complain--nor likely even notice--if someone uses some British or similarly-derived mannerisms in his or her writing. If my memory serves me correctly, we have a few Canadians (e.g., Roedy), some Australians (e.g., Andrew), a fair number of Americans, and a few Brits. My opinion is that the usage of English should be limited to those that most of the denizens are familiar with--the union of the Australian, British, Canadian, and American dialects of English. SignatureBeware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth > My opinion is that the usage of English should be limited to those > that most of the denizens are familiar with--the union of the > Australian, British, Canadian, and American dialects of English. That's an arbitrary list at best. My impression is that the indians posting here probably outnumber the australians and canadians together, but that's hardly the issue here. Why limit anything? Why this need to be exclusive? And how do you intend to enfore it anyway? I'm with Patricia here. If you understand the post, then there's no need to question the poster's choice of words. /gordon -- > I'm with Patricia here. If you understand the post, then there's no > need to question the poster's choice of words. With respect to the (mis)use of the word "doubt" you have an arguable position. In the general case I respectfully take issue with your position. When I look up "doubt" in a dictionary, in this case wiktionary, I see this: > To lack confidence in; to disbelieve, question, or suspect. > /He *doubted* that was really what you meant./ (emph. orig.) <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/doubt> Similar definitions can be found in: <http://www.m-w.com> <http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=23434&dict=CALD> (this one is an international reference) <http://www.dictionary.co.uk/browse.aspx?word=doubt> All right, let's see if it's part of Indian English, as was asserted. > *Anomalous usage* > * Use of "doubt" to mean "a follow-up question", > as in "I have a small doubt about this week's homework" or "Do you have time for a doubt?". <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English> Yep. It's an anomalous usage in Indian English. Also so is, > The verb "repair" in southern India is used as a noun for > a broken object as in, "The TV became repair." > The same word is used for saying when the broken object is fixed: > "The TV is repaired and now it is working properly." I don't agree that we should accept every anomalous usage, not because of numbers of speakers but because it's not standard. I see no harm in occasionally letting our friends from India know that that particular usage of "doubt" is not Standard English. I agree that we shouldn't make a World Court case out of it. SignatureLew >With respect to the (mis)use of the word "doubt" you have an arguable >position. In the general case I respectfully take issue with your position. The question is were you truly incapacitated from answering the question, or were you just using this as an excuse to haze a newbie? There are a million reasons to ask for clarification to help answer a question. I don't see any reason to get so excited about a regionalism. I for example use Canadian spellings quite deliberately, (except for Java keywords) to advertise my regional status. I have at times used obscure regionalisms deliberately like "skookum" or "oif" to tweak curiosity, or as a way of entertaining, or providing a little local colour. I even borrow them. There is an Abundance (my homebrew language) keyword called "BLACK-STUMP" stolen from the Aussie dialect. I learned "pear shaped" on a visit to Sommerset. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >> With respect to the (mis)use of the word "doubt" you have an arguable >> position. In the general case I respectfully take issue with your position. > > The question is were you truly incapacitated from answering the > question, or were you just using this as an excuse to haze a newbie? Neither, and that's a leading question. My disagreement with the general case has nothing to do with regionalisms, but that certain things do need to be corrected. And this is not the newbie newsgroup. I asked a question in curiosity, and yet you come storming in with accusations of incapacity and hazing. What's your agenda? SignatureLew >>> With respect to the (mis)use of the word "doubt" you have an arguable >>> position. In the general case I respectfully take issue with your [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I asked a question in curiosity, and yet you come storming in with > accusations of incapacity and hazing. What's your agenda? I think the point Roedy is trying to make (and which I agree with) is that this is a Java group not an English language group. If a question is perfectly understandable there are no need to comment on spelling/grammatical/capitalization/punctuation errors. Arne >If a question is perfectly understandable there are no need to >comment on spelling/grammatical/capitalization/punctuation errors. A way to comment on spelling and grammar without hazing is simply to correct the quoted text. It is sufficiently subtle not to be rude. You could even blame it on your spell checker. It is just a variant of what I do sometimes when people post in non-English languages and I post my stab at a translation. You are simple restating a "translation" with added clarity. It is similar to reposting a code snippet with indentation and proper variable names. You don't have to bash OP for every individual difference. On my website when I want to point out what an ignorant boor my correspondent is, I put the word [sic] after every error. This has a practical purpose of suppressing me correcting the error inadvertently. But here I am TRYING to insult. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com ... >If a question is perfectly understandable ... To who? The person that makes a comment in reply, or the 5 people who ignored the 'nonsense'*, and immediately moved on to the next question? * Nonsense in the sense "I do not understand". My replies are intended for the benefit of the OP getting answers from the *other* 5 people. If not this time, at least perhaps next time they ask. And as far as use of colloquialisms go. I use them myself, but sparingly, and usually only when I am in 'direct conversation'** with someone I 'guess' will understand. ** Some might consider that no thread on usenet is 'direct conversation' since it is publicly browsable. Tough - if anybody *else* is reading and that interested, they can ask, I will explain. To the OP.. My advice to avoid meandering side-tracks like this one, *as well as to help communicate the message,* is to avoid 'local usages' wherever practical. Feel free to ignore my advice, if you wish. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ >> If a question is perfectly understandable ... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > * Nonsense in the sense "I do not understand". I doubt the people that are not capable of reading a text because "I" is not capitalized or similar will be able to contribute with much. Arne >>> If a question is perfectly understandable ... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I doubt the people that are not capable .. The issue goes beyond whether they are *capable* of reading the message. Perhaps you have never seen a post that was such 'rubbish' that made you think 'could not be bothered wading through it - next'. I have. I often let them slide off into the obscurity they usually do (which by the way, I find *indicative* of other people's attitudes, as well). So, specifically, are you saying you have never encountered a post that you did not even finish reading, on the basis you could not be bothered trying to 'read through' what the OP was trying to communicate? >..of reading a text because "I" >is not capitalized or similar will be able to contribute with much. The point is whether they contribute at all. <'rhetorical'> Why do all these people who criticize my offer of help, as it exists, not see that? </'rhetorical'> I am more likely to stop making such comments, when I commonly see 'nice'** replies to these people, that completely ignore all mistakes they make, correctly 'guess' what they actually mean (where necessary..) etc. If a thread has a few replies, I will pass it by. Any extra comment about 'how to get help' would be redundant. * Only in the sense that no one person is qualified to answer for 'them' - personal perspectives are welcome. ** Using the definition of 'nice' my critics seem to be using, rather than my own. I see nothing 'nasty' about giving tips on correct use of the language in which one is trying to communicate a technical problem. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ > Perhaps you have never seen a post that was such > 'rubbish' that made you think 'could not be bothered > wading through it - next'. Sure. Which is completely irrelevant here. I specifically said: "If a question is perfectly understandable" and has given the example of "I" not being capitalized. Arne >> Perhaps you have never seen a post that was such 'rubbish' that made >> you think 'could not be bothered wading through it - next'. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > and has given the example of "I" not being capitalized. My point is that you have to distinguish. If the original post is unreadable (50% chance it is english, 30% french and 20% polish), then it makes sense to ask the poster to try explain in understandable english. But if it is small things that does not prevent people from understanding it, which happen all the time for people for whom english is not their first language, then it is both rude to the poster and noise to the rest of the readers to post correcting this and that. Arne > But if it is small things that does not prevent people > from understanding it, which happen all the time for > people for whom english is not their first language, > then it is both rude to the poster and noise to the > rest of the readers to post correcting this and that. Proper nouns and the pronoun "I" should be spelled correctly. So should standard API class names, keywords, and the like. This supports a habit of mental precision that is necessary and useful for a programmer to possess. SignatureLew >> But if it is small things that does not prevent people >> from understanding it, which happen all the time for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of mental precision that is necessary and useful for a programmer to > possess. I don't think so. Human languages and programming languages are a bit different. Human languages are much more complex than programming languages. And most humans are more forgiving of mistakes than compilers are. It is two different things. I don't believe that programmers which show up in a suit every day a work use better coding style either. Or that programmers with garages that are not stuffed with tons of useless stuff always refactor well. Arne ><'rhetorical'> > Why do all these people who criticize my offer of > help, as it exists, not see that? ></'rhetorical'> I suggest you rent "Dogville" if you haven't already seen it. The villagers too thought they were being helpful. /gordon -- >><'rhetorical'> >> Why do all these people who criticize my offer of >> help, as it exists, not see that? >></'rhetorical'> > >I suggest you rent "Dogville" if you haven't already seen it. I played 'the dog'. .. >..The >villagers too thought they were being helpful. ..and a pity for Grace she did not understand 'mongrel' - I was barking all the time.. "These people are morons, these people are morons, they feed me, but these people are morons.." ( No. I haven't seen it, but I have Wikipedia. ) SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ >>> If a question is perfectly understandable ... >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I doubt the people that are not capable of reading a text because "I" >is not capitalized or similar will be able to contribute with much. I missed some of the finer implications in your requoting my *own* comment '..do not understand'. That was perhaps an oversimplified and eroneous comment on my part. Maybe it should have been "..do not understand, or could not be bothered continuing reading". SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ >I asked a question in curiosity, and yet you come storming in with accusations >of incapacity and hazing. What's your agenda? I viciously attack anyone I believe is hazing newbies. You have seen me rip strips off Andrew, the main offender, many times. Java can't succeed without new people learning it. We should do everything possible to encourage newbies to persevere. I hate bullies. And hazing newbies over trivia is a form of bullying. It is perfectly ok to give them unsolicited information, but not to berate them for not already knowing it. When I first started programming Java, people were extremely rude and discouraging. I could have left and looked for a more friendly programming community, but I persevered because I was impressed with Java's technical merits. Learning a new language is difficult enough without putting up with emotional hurdles. If you were an employee you would not treat fellow employees or customers that way, playing little power trip games. Treat them the way you would have liked to be treated when you were a newbie. If you want to blast a newbie, torment those lazy bums who want you to do their homework without them doing any work or learning anything. I won't interfere. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > If you were an employee you would not treat fellow employees or > customers that way, playing little power trip games. Treat them the > way you would have liked to be treated when you were a newbie. Sure I would treat fellow employes the way I did here, which was to ask about an idiom about which I wanted more information. It is a strange, and somewhat jarring, idiom to me, to which I admitted. I got that information, and in the process found some sources on the web that enhanced my knowledge. You seem to want to characterize that as a "little power trip game". That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I don't see it. If indeed I offended anyone, that was not my intent. > If you want to blast a newbie, torment those lazy bums who want you to > do their homework without them doing any work or learning anything. > I won't interfere. Nobody's doing any blasting here but you. SignatureLew >> I asked a question in curiosity, and yet you come storming in with >> accusations >> of incapacity and hazing. What's your agenda? > > I viciously attack anyone I believe is hazing newbies. On the subject of regional English language differences, I've never come across the term "hazing" until this thread (had to look it up - the OED lists it as a North American term). The use of the word "doubt" (an uncertainty) to mean a question was much less confusing in comparison. Dan. SignatureDaniel Dyer https://watchmaker.dev.java.net - Evolutionary Computation for Java ... >I viciously attack anyone I believe is hazing newbies. (shrugs) You also 'vicously'* attack people who use the term 'wanna'. * If likening someone to a paedophile, could be regarded as vicious. Your call. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ >... >>I viciously attack anyone I believe is hazing newbies. > >(shrugs) You also 'vicously'* ... ..and given that had quotes and an asterisk, and was spelt correctly on the immediate previous line, it would also have been good if I had got the spelling correct. Oh well. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:46:05 GMT, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >My opinion is that the usage of English should be limited to those that >most of the denizens are familiar with--the union of the Australian, >British, Canadian, and American dialects of English. The main way people even discover that a familiar phrase is not universally understood is to use it and have people query it. Since an increasing percentage of the new Java programmers are from India, I think it prudent of all of us to learn some of the regionalisms from that part of the world. Personally I get great delight discovering colourful new vocabulary. I would draw the line at using things like text speak where people are not even speaking the standard English of their region. There is no need to DELIBERATELY obfuscate. I have not seen people decry the use of various regionalisms from England. I suspect an unconscious racism is at play. When I was in India, people would talk to me. Sometimes I could not tell if they were speaking English or some other language. When I expressed my lack of understanding, they would of course speak louder. This was not a problem of English as a second language, but more as English modified as in Jamaica. I am surprised the written form is as intelligible to us as it is. Please let us cut these newbies some slack. This is an international newsgroup. We should not be giving some nations privileged status. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com ... 'different folks - different strokes' >I would draw the line at using things like text speak where people are >not even speaking the standard English of their region. There is no >need to DELIBERATELY obfuscate. Some might agrue the text speak and l33t speak are more standard than 'English', since many people that use either, may grasp text/l33t better than English itself..** >I have not seen people decry the use of various regionalisms from >England. I suspect an unconscious racism is at play. ..but maybe that is merely a kind of ..'technologism'*. * That sounds vaguely rude.. ;-) ** But I do not look forward to either being used for messages on usenet. We have good bandwidth and full keyboards, and there are already enough arconyms and 'standard abbreviations' we must deal with, when programming. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ > On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:46:05 GMT, Joshua Cranmer > <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > regionalisms from that part of the world. Personally I get great > delight discovering colourful new vocabulary. A better way, I suppose, to say what I did is that I should mean the intersection and not the union, the English that is the true lingua franca of the Internet and not the regional dialects thereof. I would like to think that I have excised my regionalisms from my posts, but given how embedded they are, I am sure that some of my words must seem as foreign to Indians as the usage of `doubt' to mean `question' did to many of us. > I would draw the line at using things like text speak where people are > not even speaking the standard English of their region. There is no > need to DELIBERATELY obfuscate. I would draw the line slightly higher: I frown upon the use of expletives and extreme slang terms, although not as much as text or l33t speak. > I have not seen people decry the use of various regionalisms from > England. I suspect an unconscious racism is at play. As I said before, I tend to disagree with the use of regionalisms in general, although I am more used to the British regionalism than to, say, the Indian ones, so I might not notice them as much. > This is an international newsgroup. We should not be giving some > nations privileged status. My intent had not been to do this, but my words were probably too ambiguous (or more likely, a case of me not thinking through things enough before posting). However, since it is the (unfortunate) case that most people expect English to be used, text should probably be in as proper English as possible to facilitate those who use automatic translators (and those who do use them should probably indicate the fact so that others do not chastise them when the translators are imprecise). SignatureBeware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth ... > A better way, I suppose, to say what I did is that I should mean the > intersection and not the union, the English that is the true lingua [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > as foreign to Indians as the usage of `doubt' to mean `question' did to > many of us. ... Intersection does not work, because the incompatibilities between the dialects would leave us with no way to express a lot of things. The most obvious example is the quality associated with frequency of light waves, with values such as "red", and "blue". There is no correct way to spell it in the intersection. Allowing the union seems much more practical. Then I can choose between "colour" and "color", both of which will be understood by most readers of any dialect of English. What should I call the element with chemical symbol "Al", atomic number 13? Neither "aluminium" nor "aluminum" is in the intersection. How about the leather bag with a shoulder strap in which I carry my wallet, keys etc.? In US English it is a "purse", in English English it is a "handbag", but what should I call it in the intersection? Patricia > how can i store an array of URLs in a file and retrieve them whaen i > select a component in my GUI? This was an awfully unclear and general question. It's sort of like asking how to program in java. Should I assume you know how to use arrays and read files? Is your problem that you want something done on a GUI event? What does "select a component" mean? Before we can help you, you need to explain what you want. >how can i store an array of URLs in a file and retrieve them whaen i >select a component in my GUI? store the files one URL per line in a text file. Use UTF-8 encoding. see http://mindprod.com/applet/fileio.html to generate you the code to read write. Choose buffered. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > how can i store an array of URLs in a file and retrieve them whaen i > select a component in my GUI? It always amazes me the amount of time people on this list devote to arguing about something that has nothing to do with Java. The OP wants to store an array of URLs (not Strings or any other object AFAICS) so what's wrong with (illustration only) File repository = new File("..."); public void writeURLs(URL[] urls) throws Exception { //for brevity ObjectOutputStream urlout = new ObjectOutputStream( new FileOutputStream(repository) ); urlout.writeObject(urls); } public URL[] readURLs() throws Exception { // for brevity URL[] urls = null; ObjectInputStream urlin = new ObjectInputStream( new FileInputStream(repository) ); urls = (URL[])urlin.readObject(); return urls; } Or am I missing something. Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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