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Java Forum / General / November 2007Source Safe/ Subversion / ?
Hello all, We're thinking of moving our servers from using a very very very old version of visual source safe to a new version control system - I was wondering if anyone here had any major dealing with version control and wether anybody has successfully used the plugins for eclipse (and netbeans) to include version control inside your ide? Be great if someone could give me a bit of an idea of what they found useful and not useful in any similar search? Thanks alot for your help guys. Hope i get some responses! :) Graeme On Nov 1, 9:35 am, "gwoodho...@gmail.com" <gwoodho...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > We're thinking of moving our servers from using a very very very old > version of visual source safe to a new version control system Free software - classic version control systems. In order of decreasing functions: subversion (alias svn) cvs rcs Free software - different philosophies about version control: mercurial git Commercial software perforce clearcase At least clearcase needs a full-time admin (and requires lots of cash). > On Nov 1, 9:35 am, "gwoodho...@gmail.com" <gwoodho...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > At least clearcase needs a full-time admin (and requires lots of cash). Wikipedia has a good overview here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_revision_control_software Perforce is available without a licence for up to 2 (I think) developers, which might be ok in a small shop. I spent several years using Clearcase and wouldn't wish it on anyone. At my next job we were doing Linux-specific development but using VSS for reasons I can only describe as stupid. After an uprising we made a relatively painless switch to Perforce, and I'm much happier now. It also integrates nicely with Jira, our issue management system (well, one of them). Linus Thorvalds gave a Git presentation at Google a few months ago, it's available on YouTube. I sat through the first 10 minutes (of 70), apparently he spends a great deal of time badmouthing everyone but BitKeeper, another commercial alternative. /gordon -- > > On Nov 1, 9:35 am, "gwoodho...@gmail.com" <gwoodho...@gmail.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > -- I just watched the first half of it. He comes across as a total a.s. I'd never seen him speak before and probably wouldn't want to after this. Out of the 30 min I watched, I think 5 minutes included actual information and logic, the rest was him either talking about how smart he is or how stupid everyone else is. What a dick, smart as he may actually be. > I just watched the first half of it. He comes across as a total a.s. > I'd never seen him speak before and probably wouldn't want to after > this. Out of the 30 min I watched, I think 5 minutes included actual > information and logic, the rest was him either talking about how smart > he is or how stupid everyone else is. What a dick, smart as he may > actually be. I just watched it. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I might look into git. For most of the things I do subversion is just fine, but he mentioned in passing finding history on a function that moved across file boundaries. That would be cool. He takes pride in his work. I don't think that's offensive. I wouldn't take the "stupid" stuff too seriously. I think that's just his way of saying that he strongly disagrees. I'd probably drink a beer with the guy.  SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> > At least clearcase [sic] needs a full-time admin (and requires lots of cash). and sucks. SignatureLew I use the subclispe plug-in for Eclipse. It works well. http://subclipse.tigris.org/ So does Eclipse and CVS. > I use the subclispe plug-in for Eclipse. It works well. > > http://subclipse.tigris.org/ > > So does Eclipse and CVS. NetBeans supports CVS and SVN. SignatureLew >> I use the subclispe plug-in for Eclipse. It works well. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > NetBeans supports CVS and SVN. I use the subversion support and it isn't very good. I end up dropping to the command line every time I work. It doesn't bother me, but IDE integration isn't great. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Graeme Eclipse/CVS integrates well and is easy to use. I also remember quite liking sccs with teamware though I think it's expensive. I hate clearcase, it's horrible. > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > control and wether anybody has successfully used the plugins for > eclipse (and netbeans) to include version control inside your ide? The Subversion plug-in for NetBeans rocks. That's about all I can contribute to this discussion.... > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Graeme I've used both CVS and Subversion. I like them both, but I like Subversion more. The only IDE I have used is IDEA, and it has good integration with both CVS and SVN. SignatureDaniel Pitts' Tech Blog: <http://virtualinfinity.net/wordpress/> Thanks for your advice guys. On Nov 1, 4:35 am, "gwoodho...@gmail.com" <gwoodho...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Graeme I've been using CVS for ages now. Never felt like I needed tight integration with IDE's, seeing as I've gone through several different kinds of IDE's and have now settled into no-IDE for Java development. Maybe I'm backwards like that, but CVS and Ant work just fine for me, though I'm aware of and have used Subversion and Maven as well... > I've been using CVS for ages now. Never felt like I needed tight > integration with IDE's, seeing as I've gone through several different > kinds of IDE's and have now settled into no-IDE for Java development. > Maybe I'm backwards like that, but CVS and Ant work just fine for me, > though I'm aware of and have used Subversion and Maven as well... I'm another long-time CVS user. While SVN claims certain advantages over CVS, none of the areas of advantage matter much to me, at least not as much as repeating the learning curve. SVN projects that I'm on tend to confuse me. If I switched, I'd (temporarily) lose being able to organize the repository into linked projects, where common subprojects are automatically included, separate versioning of different files, cvswrappers magic, combining multiple branches in a single checkout and some other features that I'm sure have cognates in SVN but I'm just not familiar with them. I'd gain the ability to version-control directories. CVS has no flaws that impede my work, and so many features that empower it, so I've been unwilling to switch. I haven't used Maven at all yet. While I favor the use of command-line development (emacs + Ant + Java tools), I'm too seduced by the convenience of NetBeans to give it up, except for nightly builds and deployments. Those should be done only from command-line tools. SignatureLew >I've been using CVS for ages now. cvs does not have an atomic commit -- committing a group of files as a unit. You don't want others checking out files until all the changes are complete. Even worse if you lose connection part way through. I think some of the newer version control systems have this. I have yet to see dynamic version control. See http://mindprod.com/project/dynamicversioncontrol.html SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. 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