Hello Everyone! I am new to this group, was looking for the FAQ's to
see about interaction in this community and can see that I am not the
only in the past who has had trouble locating this information. Not
sure what the current state is, but if someone could point me in that
direction I would appreciate, or perhaps just give me a quick response
as to my main inquiry...
I work as a Technical Recruiter with Apex Systems Inc. out of the Los
Angeles branch, and am always looking to expand my professional
network and establish quality, valuable business relationships. I am
not sure if this groups permits postings, but please let me know the
communities perspective on the matter. Regardless of whether they are
welcome or not, I look forward to learning more about the technology
discussed here.
Best Regards,
Joel E. Lipman
Technical Recruiter
APEX Systems, Inc.
550 South Hope Street, Suite 2800
Los Angeles, CA 90071
Office: 213-265-3745
Fax: 213-265-3746
JLipman@apexsystemsinc.com
www.apexsystemsinc.com
Stefan Ram - 12 Oct 2007 18:19 GMT
>Hello Everyone! I am new to this group, was looking for the FAQ's to
Actually, it looks like the first result of
http://google.to/search?q=comp.lang.java
. However, this FAQ might be a bit dated?
I believe that there is not a more recent version.
The decline of traffic in some newsgroups might have
reduced the motivation of authors to write new
FAQ entries. Moreover, there is far more information
available on the Web nowadays, and search engines
give more relevant results these days.
Some fundamental Java resources can be found on
http://www.purl.org/stefan_ram/pub/java_resources_en
Stefan Ram - 12 Oct 2007 18:24 GMT
>Actually, it looks like the first result of
Some lines below, there is a more recent (2002-12) »Mini-FAQ«
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/computer-lang/java/help/minifaq/
including what looks like a charter of comp.lang.java.programmer.
Arne Vajhøj - 13 Oct 2007 02:08 GMT
>> Hello Everyone! I am new to this group, was looking for the FAQ's to
>
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> http://www.purl.org/stefan_ram/pub/java_resources_en
It is true that the the number of posts are less than half what
is once was, but it is still >100 per day. That is still a very
active group.
And that is just c.l.j.p - there are also the other c.l.j's.
I find it hard to believe that it is low traffic that is causing
a dead FAQ.
The google effect explanation sounds much more plausible to me.
Arne
Mark Space - 12 Oct 2007 19:07 GMT
> I work as a Technical Recruiter with Apex Systems Inc. out of the Los
I personally don't mind job posting if the are legit. Some job listings
do appear hear already. Mostly it's a group for discussion though, so
please don't treat this as a classified marketplace.
I'd think that one posting per week, with all your jobs listed in that
single posting, would be fine. Please don't post many job listings in
separate posts, that starts to look like spam if you have more than a
couple.
Also, please vary the subject string, because my news-reader tends to
group all posts with the same title together in one single thread. This
can move your posting down further on the list of postings.
If you have an online recruitment site you work with (monster.com,
dice.com, etc.) include that in the posting. Then anyone who is
interested in your sort of work can just post their resume there.
That's easiest and most efficient for everyone involved.
Arne Vajhøj - 13 Oct 2007 02:10 GMT
> I personally don't mind job posting if the are legit. Some job listings
> do appear hear already. Mostly it's a group for discussion though, so
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> interested in your sort of work can just post their resume there. That's
> easiest and most efficient for everyone involved.
The purists will consider job posts for spam.
But I agree with you.
Postings about well paid Java jobs gives us a nice comfortable
feeling.
Arne
Lew - 13 Oct 2007 02:22 GMT
> The purists will consider job posts for spam.
>
> But I agree with you.
>
> Postings about well paid Java jobs gives us a nice comfortable
> feeling.
FWIW, I agree with Mark Space and Arne.

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Andrew Thompson - 13 Oct 2007 04:32 GMT
>> The purists will consider job posts for spam.
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>FWIW, I agree with Mark Space and Arne.
ditto. *
I am uninclined to hassle/report job posters if they follow
the tips outlined above.
A couple of further tips for the OP.
- The normal 'delimiter' between message content and
signature is '-- '. If you add the delimiter, many news
readers will automatically 'hide' the sig., but show it to
the user if they want to see it.
- Signatures going over four lines (like mine at the moment)
can cause people to complain. I recommend cutting most
of your sig. out to a 'contact' page at your site, then simply
listing the homepage and contact URLs in the sig.
- To expand on what Mark was saying. It is probably best
to limit your job postings to a single group. This one would
be the best. Most of the people interested in Java read it.
In the ads..
- Don't presume your audience knows where you are, but
specifically state the job location and whether citizenship
is required. (Note that I am Australian - ineligible for most
of the jobs you would likely post).
- Speak to the audience as if they can 'see right through' the
hype. They can, and will simply point at you and laugh, if your
posting sounds like an ad for the latest, greatest washing powder.
Better still, try to remove anything from the ad that even vaguely
smells like hype - stick to the basic facts.
* Significant, I feel, in that Lew and myself are probably the
most likely people to take some form of action in regard to
posts that are potentially spam.

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Hunter Gratzner - 13 Oct 2007 07:26 GMT
> always looking to expand my professional
> network and establish quality, valuable business relationships.
Typicall bullshit talk of your lot.
> I am
> not sure if this groups permits postings, but please let me know the
> communities perspective on the matter.
You annoy a great amount of people when doing it. Not only is it not
covered by the group's charter, it is also stupid to post a local job
to such a broad international audience.
> Joel E. Lipman
> Technical Recruiter
> APEX Systems, Inc.
[contact details]
See, that's why I don't like you lot. Pimps always willing to sneak in
some quick advertising for their service. Why do you think this group
should be your source of fresh meat?
You did this "may I seek your advice" in a few other groups in the
past. Why do you think Java programmers are easier to fool than C++
programmers?
Daniel Dyer - 13 Oct 2007 12:51 GMT
> I work as a Technical Recruiter with Apex Systems Inc. out of the Los
> Angeles branch, and am always looking to expand my professional
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> welcome or not, I look forward to learning more about the technology
> discussed here.
I pretty much agree with the other responses that you have received. If
you want to post occasional vacancies here, my own advice would be:
1). Make sure that the title makes it immediately obvious that the message
is a job posting (preferably by prefixing it with "[JOB]" or something
similar). This makes it easier to ignore for people who are not
interested in job postings.
2). Be explicit about the location (preferably in the subject of the
message). This is an international forum so most people won't be anywhere
near you. In particular, be sure to state the country. City names are
often not globally unique. For example, if you just state the location as
"Birmingham", do you mean the city in the UK or the city in Alabama, USA?
3). Since this is an international forum, you should indicate whether
international applicants will be considered.
4). Stay on topic. Java jobs are relevant, C# jobs are not.
Dan.

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