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Manu a.k.a. Vishesh - 16 Sep 2007 08:37 GMT Hii all i just wanna knw how can we create forums for our website using java forums like here. threads are its synonyms
Manish Pandit - 16 Sep 2007 12:36 GMT On Sep 16, 12:37 am, "Manu a.k.a. Vishesh" <abhinavbhat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hii all > i just wanna knw how can we create forums for our website using java > forums like here. threads are its synonyms If you are looking for a message board/discussion board like software in Java, you can look at JForum - http://www.jforum.net/. If you do not care about the underlying technology, phpbb is extrenely common (http://www.phpbb.com/), which is written in PHP.
-cheers, Manish
Roedy Green - 17 Sep 2007 05:51 GMT On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:37:32 -0700, "Manu a.k.a. Vishesh" <abhinavbhatt01@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>i just wanna knw how can we create forums for our website using java >forums like here. threads are its synonyms See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/forum.html
Please avoid the word "wanna". It grates on the "ears". It is a word spoiled children use to demand unreasonable favours here in Canada. It is usually whined. The police once brought a child molester to me to see if I could talk him out of molesting his 10 year old son. No matter what I said he would reply "but I wanna".
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Manu a.k.a. Vishesh - 19 Sep 2007 02:53 GMT To Mr. Roedy Green
seems u r too much obsessed with Canadians.. calm down I m not a canadian..! asnd if u insist, i will not use "wanna".. ;) well thanks for info....!! Keep Smiling..!
:) Lew - 19 Sep 2007 02:58 GMT > To Mr. Roedy Green > > seems u r too much obsessed with Canadians.. calm down I m not a > canadian..! Rrrr?
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Roedy Green - 20 Sep 2007 07:54 GMT >seems u r too much obsessed with Canadians.. calm down I m not a >canadian..! I am merely allowing for the possibility my observation does not apply elsewhere.
One of the amusing things I discovered early in life is the easiest way to get someone screaming at the top of their lungs is to tell them to calm down (even when they are already perfectly calm).
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Lew - 20 Sep 2007 14:48 GMT >> seems u r too much obsessed with Canadians.. calm down I m not a >> canadian..! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > way to get someone screaming at the top of their lungs is to tell them > to calm down (even when they are already perfectly calm). Perhaps Manu missed the "here in Canada" part of Roedy's post. Is a person who lives in a country, being from that country, and concerned with their local affairs or culture, "too much obsessed" with their homeland?
BTW. Manu, "u" should be spelled "you", "r" should be spelled "are", "I m" should be spelled either "I'm" or "I am", "Canadian" should be capitalized, either one period or one exclamation point suffices to end a sentence, and you should reply to me on list, not privately.
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Manu a.k.a. Vishesh - 28 Sep 2007 17:45 GMT Well I guess that I had started this forum to know the ways to create forums like this one in Java for my blog. But we have landed up in a nationality dual. I just wanted to know a bit more about Java. That's it.
Well, I suppose my grammar is correct now?
Andrew Thompson - 28 Sep 2007 19:48 GMT >Well I guess that I had started this forum to know the ways to create >forums like this one in Java for my blog. 'This one' is usenet. It is not some dinky little web forum. It is *represented* on a variety of web interfaces to usenet, but it is still usenet.
>...But we have landed up in a >nationality dual. This has *nothing* to do with 'nationalities'*.
The only reason Roedy mentioned Canada, is because he talks about what he is used to, and does not presume that the standards that apply where he is, are the same where(ver) you are.
>..I just wanted to know a bit more about Java. That's >it. > >Well, I suppose my grammar is correct now? You are now taking the effort to use correct grammar, spelling an punctuation. Ironically, that makes your first pathetic efforts *more* irritating.
We are prepared to make some allowances for people who have a tough time understanding English. But if you are fluent in English, yet cannot be bothered taking the few more moments needed to make your message clear, please don't waste our time or bandwidth.
Oh, and in case you have any doubts about the matter, we will *not* want to hear about the launch of your new forum. That would be considered off-topic spam by me, and probably other contributors to this usenet newsgroup.
* I am just as irritated by your inane, juvenile language, and I am from Australia. The other contributor to this thread is from the United States.
And.. where the heck *are* you from? You might just as likely have been a lazy teenager from America, Canada, New Zealand or the United Kingdom, as far as I knew or cared, from reading your initial post.
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Manu a.k.a. Vishesh - 30 Sep 2007 05:08 GMT > >Well I guess that I had started this forum to know the ways to create > >forums like this one in Java for my blog. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Message posted viahttp://www.javakb.com ha ha ha... I love you guys...! Well, I am from India, by the way! And my english is far better then most of the above mentioned countries 'Mate'! I 'know' this is usenet group. And I don't think there is any 'Protocol for Grammar on Internet', so I will write in any fashion I like. I hoped to get some more insight on programming rather then quarreling. Thanks you all for your sincere efforts.
Roedy Green - 30 Sep 2007 05:53 GMT On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:08:27 -0000, "Manu a.k.a. Vishesh" <abhinavbhatt01@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>I 'know' this is usenet group. And I don't think there is any >'Protocol for Grammar on Internet', I warned a person that the word "wanna" does not mean to everyone what it means to him. He is free to continue if he wants to make a bad impression with some people.
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RedGrittyBrick - 30 Sep 2007 15:24 GMT > I 'know' this is usenet group. And I don't think there is any > 'Protocol for Grammar on Internet', Just for fun I put that phrase into Google, it responded with links to RFC2813.
> so I will write in any fashion I like. Certainly you can.
> I hoped to get some more insight on programming rather then > quarreling. If you hope to get positive responses, you'll probably find it better to write in some fashion that the regular experts like, rather than in some way that you like but they hate.
Lew - 30 Sep 2007 17:09 GMT Manu a.k.a. Vishesh wrote:
>> I 'know' this is usenet group. And I don't think there is any >> 'Protocol for Grammar on Internet',
> Just for fun I put that phrase into Google, it responded with links to > RFC2813. Completely irrelevant, of course, since it has nothing to do with English grammar.
Manu a.k.a. Vishesh:
>> so I will write in any fashion I like.
> Certainly you can. Manu a.k.a. Vishesh:
>> I hoped to get some more insight on programming rather then >> quarreling. Then perhaps one might consider dropping the petulant tone.
> If you hope to get positive responses, you'll probably find it better to > write in some fashion that the regular experts like, rather than in some > way that you like but they hate. In other words, instead of getting on your high horse about the good advice, consider that it is offered to help you, and further, consider following it.
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Y2A - 30 Sep 2007 17:31 GMT > Manu a.k.a. Vishesh wrote: > >> I 'know' this is usenet group. And I don't think there is any [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > Lew Can we get out of this? I started this thread or forum or whatever you may call it, so I thank everyone who has posted and I really want to quit this 'forum' post. Thanks in all cases. :P
Lew - 30 Sep 2007 18:03 GMT > Can we get out of this? > I started this thread or forum or whatever you may call it, so I thank > everyone who has posted and I really want to quit this 'forum' post. > Thanks in all cases. :P It is easy to leave a thread in newsgroup, by dint of not responding to it. It is nearly as easy to ignore others' responses in such a thread, by dint of marking the thread "already read" and not reading the responses.
You can request that others do likewise, but being people of free will and independent interests they may choose to continue in a particular discussion anyway. Since this is an open forum, whose purpose is discussion, this is desirable behavior. No one individual owns any discussion thread here.
This thread will die when no one cares about it any more.
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Joshua Cranmer - 30 Sep 2007 18:48 GMT > Can we get out of this? > I started this thread or forum or whatever you may call it, so I thank > everyone who has posted and I really want to quit this 'forum' post. > Thanks in all cases. :P Welcome to Usenet, where many threads may go in directions not originally desired by the authors. Go back in the archives and look at "Java and avoiding software piracy" or "Java 7 Features", both 200+-post threads devolved into flame wars and economic arguments. Those are merely posts in c.l.j.p; forums with broader ranges of viewpoints can digress further in threads (Threads on talk.origins can have five or six conversations/arguments/flame wars going on in subthreads on completely different topics).
If you want to "quit" a thread, most if not all competent newsreaders will allow you to ignore the thread, so you don't see what goes on in it. But a thread will eventually die of its own accord when nothing more is left to be said (which is why flame wars can become so long).
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u254882 - 30 Sep 2007 23:50 GMT All you guys, I _wanna_ tell you something, but let me start with a question. Have you seen the film "In the name of the father"? At one point, the main character, an Irishman, says something like he would like to put his fist in his mouth preventing him speaking a word of the praised English language. Well, I have different reasons but the same obligation, I have to speak English. It is forced on me, of course not directly by you, and in a way it's my own choise. But momentarily your culture (whatever) dominates the world, at least this part of the world I live in. And as you see, if billions of people have to speak and learn a language simply to be able eg. to get a job, they will have a natureal refuse/ resist feeling, they might take the freedom not to have a guilty consicence making a mistake in it. I speak 6 lamguages, including English. How many do you speak? And on what level? I am proud eg. of my (btw typical Eastern-European) accent, I believe it has just as much right to exist and just as much validity as your own. I am trying to get better in my English, in every way though, but it is only because maybe I have too much time, you know. The main function of it is that, when I meet people from different countries, we all use English, and not because all want to be able to write poems like Poe., that's today's Latin, and that's it. And anyway, give it up, you got the guns, but we got the numbers. And where you might feel wounded around your ears, we lose complete languages - so please do not complain, everybody is happy if they get help in mastering English but only if it is articulated in a friendly and helpful tone, and not happy to be told to do this and that.
Lew - 01 Oct 2007 00:25 GMT > All you guys, I _wanna_ tell you something, ... ...
> - so please do not complain, everybody is happy if they get > help in mastering English but only if it is articulated in a friendly > and helpful tone, and not happy to be told to do this and that. When people put forward advice in this particular venue, they don't necessarily speak in a bad tone just because they stick with bald facts. Perhaps not everyone is equally comfortable with a keyboard, or they themselves are not as familiar with English as you seem to think. Regardless of the reason, it is common for advice here to be terse, and to focus very narrowly on the action under discussion. If in doing this they fail to coddle your sensitivities, that is unfortunate but not truly cause for you to complain.
The purpose of this forum is not to kow-tow to you, but to discuss technical information of common interest. Occasionally that extends to grammar and how to best present oneself professionally through one's communications.
If you are not happy to receive advice here where mostly people come to ask for advice, perhaps you are in the wrong venue.
Do not take mere terseness of expression as an insult. Consider instead if the comment's /content/ merits consideration, and impute whatever tone makes you happiest, instead of the one that makes you angriest.
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nebulous99@gmail.com - 02 Oct 2007 00:57 GMT > When people put forward advice in this particular venue, they don't > necessarily speak in a bad tone just because they stick with bald facts. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > narrowly on the action under discussion. If in doing this they fail to coddle > your sensitivities, that is unfortunate but not truly cause for you to complain. If it were only "a terse tone" it might not be such an issue, and the same if it were universal. But it's mostly just you and Andrew Thompson, and it is probably just laziness rather than anything nobler, and lastly, it goes considerably further than just "a terse tone", often to the point of actually ordering the OP about with imperative phrasing.
> If you are not happy to receive advice here where mostly people come to ask > for advice, perhaps you are in the wrong venue. A distinction can be made here that you are not making, namely between the advice the OP specifically requests and unsolicited advice on subjects ranging from tangential to completely irrelevant/orthogonal. If someone posts code and asks why X isn't working, an answer explaining why X isn't working is obviously welcome. It's very likely pointing out a possibly-unnoticed bug Y in the same code would be quite welcome too. Criticizing their English, which might not be their main language, is another matter entirely; if you feel the need to offer unsolicited advice in that area, perhaps it should be phrased more diplomatically than the solicited advice at least?
Roedy Green - 01 Oct 2007 01:46 GMT >All you guys, I _wanna_ tell you something, but let me start with a >question. You have every right to use non-standard English, in particular "wanna", but that choice has consequences. Since there is no advantage in doing so, and a number of negative consequences, it seems logical to presume when someone does that they are unaware of the consequences. When someone warns them, that is an act of compassion, not an act of coercion.
When someone persists in using the offending word, emphasising it as you did, the presumption is the intent was to deliberately annoy others. The natural reaction to that is to avoid someone who enjoys doing that. Most life naturally avoids pain. The consequence to the taunter then is having his questions ignored.
Deliberately using a word like "wanna" is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
It does not make sense to deliberately annoy people you are a asking favours of.
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Y2A - 01 Oct 2007 04:35 GMT On Oct 1, 5:46 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
> >All you guys, I _wanna_ tell you something, but let me start with a > >question. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products > The Java Glossaryhttp://mindprod.com Ha ha ha ha ha :D Great going.. where we started and where are we now.. I thought of quitting but I an not quitting anymore...! Well, I must say Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe...!
Lew - 01 Oct 2007 04:41 GMT > Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not > sure about the the universe...! That quote from Dr. Albert Einstein, BTW. <http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_Reactor>
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Andrew Thompson - 01 Oct 2007 06:01 GMT >> Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not >> sure about the the universe...! > >That quote from Dr. Albert Einstein, BTW. ><http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_Reactor> He ( or his first wife ;) actually prefixed that quote with 'Only..' and ended it with '..the former.' as opposed to '..the the universe...!'.
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Y2A - 01 Oct 2007 11:23 GMT I knew that this quote is from Sir Albert Einstein [;)]
Lew - 01 Oct 2007 14:16 GMT > I knew that this quote is from Sir Albert Einstein [;)] Ol' Al was never knighted.
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Y2A - 01 Oct 2007 17:56 GMT Lew:
> Ol' Al was never knighted. Its a shame, he wasn't. After all he ruined lives of many of my class mates in Physics.
Roedy Green - 01 Oct 2007 01:28 GMT I can't find the post where Andrew talked about his new XSD validator.
I tried it out and it died immediately with a null pointer exception.
I pasted in my JNLP text and selected JNLP.
Some thoughts on how to make it easier to use:
1. make the link to start the program be a button and say "LAUNCH" or something similar. The launch link is disguised as a simple text link. The well formedness checker has a similar problem.
2. put a watermark over the sample screenshot. It looks too much like the app itself already running.
3. If you need to provide your own JNLP XSD, instructions need to guide you on the screen.
Whatever is causing this exception needs a better error message.
Error: null java.lang.NullPointerException at org.physci.xml.tool.validate.XMLValidator.parse(XMLValidator.java:324) at org.physci.xml.tool.validate.XMLValidator.validateContent(XMLValidator.java:363) at org.physci.xml.tool.validate.XMLValidator$ValidateWorker.doInBackground(XMLValidator.java:477) at org.physci.xml.tool.validate.XMLValidator$ValidateWorker.doInBackground(XMLValidator.java:471) at javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(Unknown Source) at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown Source) at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source) at javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(Unknown Source) at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.runTask(Unknown Source) at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
I'm glad Andrew has tackled this problem. I had it about #4 on my to do list.
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