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Manu a.k.a. Vishesh - 16 Sep 2007 08:37 GMT
Hii all
i just wanna knw how can we create forums for our website using java
forums like here. threads are its synonyms
Manish Pandit - 16 Sep 2007 12:36 GMT
On Sep 16, 12:37 am, "Manu a.k.a. Vishesh" <abhinavbhat...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hii all
> i just wanna knw how can we create forums for our website using java
> forums like here. threads are its synonyms

If you are looking for a message board/discussion board like software
in Java, you can look at JForum - http://www.jforum.net/. If you do
not care about the underlying technology, phpbb is extrenely common
(http://www.phpbb.com/), which is written in PHP.

-cheers,
Manish
Roedy Green - 17 Sep 2007 05:51 GMT
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:37:32 -0700, "Manu a.k.a. Vishesh"
<abhinavbhatt01@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
who said :

>i just wanna knw how can we create forums for our website using java
>forums like here. threads are its synonyms

See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/forum.html

Please avoid the word "wanna".  It grates on the "ears".  It is a word
spoiled children use to demand unreasonable favours here in Canada. It
is usually whined.  The police once brought a child molester to me to
see if I could talk him out of molesting his 10 year old son.  No
matter what I said he would reply "but I wanna".

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Manu a.k.a. Vishesh - 19 Sep 2007 02:53 GMT
To Mr. Roedy Green

seems u r too much obsessed with Canadians.. calm down I m not a
canadian..!
asnd if u insist, i will not use "wanna".. ;)
well thanks for info....!!
Keep Smiling..!
:)
Lew - 19 Sep 2007 02:58 GMT
> To Mr. Roedy Green
>
> seems u r too much obsessed with Canadians.. calm down I m not a
> canadian..!

Rrrr?

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Roedy Green - 20 Sep 2007 07:54 GMT
>seems u r too much obsessed with Canadians.. calm down I m not a
>canadian..!

I am merely allowing for the possibility my observation does not apply
elsewhere.  

One of the amusing things I discovered early in life is the easiest
way to get someone screaming at the top of their lungs is to tell them
to calm down (even when they are already perfectly calm).

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Lew - 20 Sep 2007 14:48 GMT
>> seems u r too much obsessed with Canadians.. calm down I m not a
>> canadian..!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> way to get someone screaming at the top of their lungs is to tell them
> to calm down (even when they are already perfectly calm).

Perhaps Manu missed the "here in Canada" part of Roedy's post.  Is a person
who lives in a country, being from that country, and concerned with their
local affairs or culture, "too much obsessed" with their homeland?

BTW. Manu, "u" should be spelled "you", "r" should be spelled "are", "I m"
should be spelled either "I'm" or "I am", "Canadian" should be capitalized,
either one period or one exclamation point suffices to end a sentence, and you
should reply to me on list, not privately.

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Manu a.k.a. Vishesh - 28 Sep 2007 17:45 GMT
Well I guess that I had started this forum to know the ways to create
forums like this one in Java for my blog. But we have landed up in a
nationality dual. I just wanted to know a bit more about Java. That's
it.

Well, I suppose my grammar is correct now?
Andrew Thompson - 28 Sep 2007 19:48 GMT
>Well I guess that I had started this forum to know the ways to create
>forums like this one in Java for my blog.

'This one' is usenet.  It is not some dinky little web forum.
It is *represented* on a variety of web interfaces to usenet,
but it is still usenet.

>...But we have landed up in a
>nationality dual.

This has *nothing* to do with 'nationalities'*.

The only reason Roedy mentioned Canada, is because
he talks about what he is used to, and does not presume
that the standards that apply where he is, are the same
where(ver) you are.

>..I just wanted to know a bit more about Java. That's
>it.
>
>Well, I suppose my grammar is correct now?

You are now taking the effort to use correct grammar,
spelling an punctuation.  Ironically, that makes your
first pathetic efforts *more* irritating.  

We are prepared to make some allowances for people
who have a tough time understanding English. But if you
are fluent in English, yet cannot be bothered taking the
few more moments needed to make your message  clear,
please don't waste our time or bandwidth.

Oh, and in case you have any doubts about the matter,
we will *not* want to hear about the launch of your new
forum.  That would be considered off-topic spam by me,
and probably other contributors to this usenet newsgroup.

* I am just as irritated by your inane, juvenile language,
and I am from Australia.  The other contributor to this
thread is from the United States.  

And.. where the heck *are* you from?  You might just as
likely have been a lazy teenager from America, Canada,
New Zealand or the United Kingdom, as far as I knew or
cared, from reading your initial post.

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Manu a.k.a. Vishesh - 30 Sep 2007 05:08 GMT
> >Well I guess that I had started this forum to know the ways to create
> >forums like this one in Java for my blog.
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> Message posted viahttp://www.javakb.com

ha ha ha...
I love you guys...!
Well, I am from India, by the way!
And my english is far better then most of the above mentioned
countries 'Mate'!
I 'know' this is usenet group. And I don't think there is any
'Protocol for Grammar on Internet', so I will write in any fashion I
like. I hoped to get some more insight on programming rather then
quarreling. Thanks you all for your sincere efforts.
Roedy Green - 30 Sep 2007 05:53 GMT
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:08:27 -0000, "Manu a.k.a. Vishesh"
<abhinavbhatt01@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
who said :

>I 'know' this is usenet group. And I don't think there is any
>'Protocol for Grammar on Internet',

I warned a person that the word "wanna" does not mean to everyone what
it means to him.  He is free to continue if he wants to make a bad
impression with some people.

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RedGrittyBrick - 30 Sep 2007 15:24 GMT
> I 'know' this is usenet group. And I don't think there is any
> 'Protocol for Grammar on Internet',

Just for fun I put that phrase into Google, it responded with links to
RFC2813.

> so I will write in any fashion I like.

Certainly you can.

> I hoped to get some more insight on programming rather then
> quarreling.

If you hope to get positive responses, you'll probably find it better to
write in some fashion that the regular experts like, rather than in some
way that you like but they hate.
Lew - 30 Sep 2007 17:09 GMT
Manu a.k.a. Vishesh wrote:
>> I 'know' this is usenet group. And I don't think there is any
>> 'Protocol for Grammar on Internet',

> Just for fun I put that phrase into Google, it responded with links to
> RFC2813.

Completely irrelevant, of course, since it has nothing to do with English grammar.

Manu a.k.a. Vishesh:
>> so I will write in any fashion I like.

> Certainly you can.

Manu a.k.a. Vishesh:
>> I hoped to get some more insight on programming rather then
>> quarreling.

Then perhaps one might consider dropping the petulant tone.

> If you hope to get positive responses, you'll probably find it better to
> write in some fashion that the regular experts like, rather than in some
> way that you like but they hate.

In other words, instead of getting on your high horse about the good advice,
consider that it is offered to help you, and further, consider following it.

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Y2A - 30 Sep 2007 17:31 GMT
> Manu a.k.a. Vishesh wrote:
> >> I 'know' this is usenet group. And I don't think there is any
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> --
> Lew

Can we get out of this?
I started this thread or forum or whatever you may call it, so I thank
everyone who has posted and I really want to quit this 'forum' post.
Thanks in all cases. :P
Lew - 30 Sep 2007 18:03 GMT
> Can we get out of this?
> I started this thread or forum or whatever you may call it, so I thank
> everyone who has posted and I really want to quit this 'forum' post.
> Thanks in all cases. :P

It is easy to leave a thread in newsgroup, by dint of not responding to it.
It is nearly as easy to ignore others' responses in such a thread, by dint of
marking the thread "already read" and not reading the responses.

You can request that others do likewise, but being people of free will and
independent interests they may choose to continue in a particular discussion
anyway.  Since this is an open forum, whose purpose is discussion, this is
desirable behavior.  No one individual owns any discussion thread here.

This thread will die when no one cares about it any more.

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Joshua Cranmer - 30 Sep 2007 18:48 GMT
> Can we get out of this?
> I started this thread or forum or whatever you may call it, so I thank
> everyone who has posted and I really want to quit this 'forum' post.
> Thanks in all cases. :P

Welcome to Usenet, where many threads may go in directions not
originally desired by the authors. Go back in the archives and look at
"Java and avoiding software piracy" or "Java 7 Features", both 200+-post
threads devolved into flame wars and economic arguments. Those are
merely posts in c.l.j.p; forums with broader ranges of viewpoints can
digress further in threads (Threads on talk.origins can have five or six
conversations/arguments/flame wars going on in subthreads on completely
different topics).

If you want to "quit" a thread, most if not all competent newsreaders
will allow you to ignore the thread, so you don't see what goes on in
it. But a thread will eventually die of its own accord when nothing more
is left to be said (which is why flame wars can become so long).

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u254882 - 30 Sep 2007 23:50 GMT
All you guys, I _wanna_ tell you something, but let me start with a
question. Have you seen the film "In the name of the father"?
At one point, the main character, an Irishman, says something like he
would like to put his fist in his mouth preventing him speaking a word
of the praised English language.
Well, I have different reasons but the same obligation, I have to
speak English. It is forced on  me, of course not directly by you, and
in a way it's my own choise. But momentarily your culture (whatever)
dominates the world, at least this part of the world I live in. And as
you see, if billions of people have to speak and learn a language
simply to be able eg. to get a job, they will have a natureal refuse/
resist feeling, they might  take the
freedom not to have a guilty consicence making a mistake in it.
I speak 6 lamguages, including English. How many do you speak? And on
what level?
I am proud eg. of my (btw typical Eastern-European) accent, I believe
it has just as much right to exist and just as much validity as your
own. I am trying to get better in my English, in every way though, but
it is only because maybe I have too much time, you know. The main
function of it is that, when I meet people from different countries,
we all use English, and not because all want to be able to write poems
like Poe., that's today's Latin, and that's it.
And anyway, give it up, you got the guns, but we got the numbers.
And where you might feel wounded around your ears, we lose complete
languages - so please do not complain, everybody is happy if they get
help in mastering English but only if it is articulated in a friendly
and helpful tone, and not happy to be told to do this and that.
Lew - 01 Oct 2007 00:25 GMT
> All you guys, I _wanna_ tell you something, ...
...
>  - so please do not complain, everybody is happy if they get
> help in mastering English but only if it is articulated in a friendly
> and helpful tone, and not happy to be told to do this and that.

When people put forward advice in this particular venue, they don't
necessarily speak in a bad tone just because they stick with bald facts.
Perhaps not everyone is equally comfortable with a keyboard, or they
themselves are not as familiar with English as you seem to think.  Regardless
of the reason, it is common for advice here to be terse, and to focus very
narrowly on the action under discussion.  If in doing this they fail to coddle
your sensitivities, that is unfortunate but not truly cause for you to complain.

The purpose of this forum is not to kow-tow to you, but to discuss technical
information of common interest.  Occasionally that extends to grammar and how
to best present oneself professionally through one's communications.

If you are not happy to receive advice here where mostly people come to ask
for advice, perhaps you are in the wrong venue.

Do not take mere terseness of expression as an insult.  Consider instead if
the comment's /content/ merits consideration, and impute whatever tone makes
you happiest, instead of the one that makes you angriest.

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nebulous99@gmail.com - 02 Oct 2007 00:57 GMT
> When people put forward advice in this particular venue, they don't
> necessarily speak in a bad tone just because they stick with bald facts.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> narrowly on the action under discussion.  If in doing this they fail to coddle
> your sensitivities, that is unfortunate but not truly cause for you to complain.

If it were only "a terse tone" it might not be such an issue, and the
same if it were universal. But it's mostly just you and Andrew
Thompson, and it is probably just laziness rather than anything
nobler, and lastly, it goes considerably further than just "a terse
tone", often to the point of actually ordering the OP about with
imperative phrasing.

> If you are not happy to receive advice here where mostly people come to ask
> for advice, perhaps you are in the wrong venue.

A distinction can be made here that you are not making, namely between
the advice the OP specifically requests and unsolicited advice on
subjects ranging from tangential to completely irrelevant/orthogonal.
If someone posts code and asks why X isn't working, an answer
explaining why X isn't working is obviously welcome. It's very likely
pointing out a possibly-unnoticed bug Y in the same code would be
quite welcome too. Criticizing their English, which might not be their
main language, is another matter entirely; if you feel the need to
offer unsolicited advice in that area, perhaps it should be phrased
more diplomatically than the solicited advice at least?
Roedy Green - 01 Oct 2007 01:46 GMT
>All you guys, I _wanna_ tell you something, but let me start with a
>question.

You have every right to use non-standard English, in particular
"wanna", but that choice has consequences.  Since there is no
advantage in doing so, and a number of negative consequences, it seems
logical to presume when someone does that they are unaware of the
consequences.  When someone warns them, that is an act of compassion,
not an act of coercion.

When someone persists in using the offending word, emphasising it as
you did, the presumption is the intent was to deliberately annoy
others. The natural reaction to that is to avoid someone who enjoys
doing that. Most life naturally avoids pain.  The consequence to the
taunter then is having his questions ignored.

Deliberately using a word like "wanna" is cutting off your nose to
spite your face.

It does not make sense to deliberately annoy people you are a asking
favours of.
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Y2A - 01 Oct 2007 04:35 GMT
On Oct 1, 5:46 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid>
wrote:

> >All you guys, I _wanna_ tell you something, but let me start with a
> >question.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
> The Java Glossaryhttp://mindprod.com

Ha ha ha ha ha :D
Great going.. where we started and where are we now..
I thought of quitting but I an not quitting anymore...!
Well, I must say
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not
sure about the the universe...!
Lew - 01 Oct 2007 04:41 GMT
> Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not
> sure about the the universe...!

That quote from Dr. Albert Einstein, BTW.
<http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_Reactor>

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Andrew Thompson - 01 Oct 2007 06:01 GMT
>> Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not
>> sure about the the universe...!
>
>That quote from Dr. Albert Einstein, BTW.
><http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_Reactor>

He ( or his first wife ;) actually prefixed that quote with
'Only..' and ended it with '..the former.' as opposed to
'..the the universe...!'.

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Y2A - 01 Oct 2007 11:23 GMT
I knew that this quote is from Sir Albert Einstein [;)]
Lew - 01 Oct 2007 14:16 GMT
> I knew that this quote is from Sir Albert Einstein [;)]

Ol' Al was never knighted.

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Y2A - 01 Oct 2007 17:56 GMT
Lew:
> Ol' Al was never knighted.

Its a shame, he wasn't. After all he ruined lives of many of my class
mates in Physics.
Roedy Green - 01 Oct 2007 01:28 GMT
I can't find the post where Andrew talked about his new XSD validator.

I tried it out and it died immediately with a null pointer exception.

I pasted in my JNLP text and selected JNLP.

Some thoughts on how to make it easier to use:

1. make the link to start the program be a button and say "LAUNCH" or
something similar. The launch link is disguised as a simple text link.
The well formedness checker has a similar problem.

2. put a watermark over the sample screenshot. It looks too much like
the app itself already running.

3. If you need to provide your own JNLP XSD, instructions need to
guide you on the screen.

Whatever is causing this exception needs a better error message.

Error: null
java.lang.NullPointerException
    at
org.physci.xml.tool.validate.XMLValidator.parse(XMLValidator.java:324)
    at
org.physci.xml.tool.validate.XMLValidator.validateContent(XMLValidator.java:363)
    at
org.physci.xml.tool.validate.XMLValidator$ValidateWorker.doInBackground(XMLValidator.java:477)
    at
org.physci.xml.tool.validate.XMLValidator$ValidateWorker.doInBackground(XMLValidator.java:471)
    at javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(Unknown Source)
    at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown
Source)
    at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source)
    at javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(Unknown Source)
    at
java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.runTask(Unknown Source)
    at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown
Source)
    at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

I'm glad Andrew has tackled this problem. I had it about #4 on my to
do list.
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