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Java Forum / General / September 2007The "replaceAll" method of the String Class can't work, if a "?" character is in the value of an attribute of a XMLString!
Hi All, The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" attribute, it does work! Does anyone here know an other workaround? Thanks in advance! ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Sample code //////////////////////////////////////////////////////// public class Questionmark_TEST{ public Questionmark_TEST(){} public static void main(String [] args){ String XMLString="<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\"? ><categories><NodeOne action='Print?'/></categories>" ; String OldNode = "<NodeOne action='Print?'/>"; String NewNode = "<NodeOne action='Print?'>empty</NodeOne>"; XMLString = XMLString.replaceAll(OldNode,NewNode); System.out.println("new XMLString : "+XMLString.toString()); } } //////////////////////////////////////////Sample code /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Hi All, The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" attribute, it does work! Does anyone here know an other workaround? Thanks in advance! ///////////Sample code ////////////////// public class Questionmark_TEST{ public Questionmark_TEST(){} public static void main(String [] args){ String XMLString="<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\"? ><categories><NodeOne action='Print?'/></categories>" ; String OldNode = "<NodeOne action='Print?'/>"; String NewNode = "<NodeOne action='Print?'>empty</NodeOne>"; XMLString = XMLString.replaceAll(OldNode,NewNode); System.out.println("new XMLString : "+XMLString.toString()); } } ///////Sample code ///////////////// > The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question > Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" > attribute, it does work! > > Does anyone here know an other workaround? Thanks in advance! You need to watch where line breaks go in source posts to Usenet. You got a stray greater-than character ('>', a.k.a., "right angle bracket") that belonged with the xml PI, but was somehow moved to a different line. Also, the variable "XMLString", being a variable, should start with a lower-case letter, by convention. > public class Questionmark_TEST{ > public Questionmark_TEST(){} > > public static void main(String [] args){ > String XMLString = > "<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\"?>" + > "<categories><NodeOne action='Print?'/></categories>"; > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > } > } Did you read the Javadocs on the replaceAll() method? <http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/String.html#replaceAll(java.lang .String,%20java.lang.String)> The first argument is a regular expression, in which the question mark has special significance.  SignatureLew > > The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question > > Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > stray greater-than character ('>', a.k.a., "right angle bracket") that > belonged with the xml PI, but was somehow moved to a different line. Come on, dude! Are you so stupid, to not understand that the code works, and you may need to move the bracket, where it supposes to be, when running it! > Also, the variable "XMLString", being a variable, should start with a > lower-case letter, by convention. Where did you get that rule, Mr. Conformist! Don't lecture to anyone here, your nonsense rule! Try to think out of the box sometime! > > public class Questionmark_TEST{ > > public Questionmark_TEST(){} [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The first argument is a regular expression, in which the question mark has > special significance. But you never answered my question though! Take a look what Roedy replied to me! That's kind of an answer, I was looking for! > > > The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question > > > Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > But you never answered my question though! Take a look what Roedy > replied to me! That's kind of an answer, I was looking for! Tsk. Lew's reply contain the same information as Roedy's post. To be fair, Lew's reply contains *more* information than Roedy's. Lew notified you, politely, about the use of regular expression in String.replaceAll(), netiquette of using usenet, and globally accepted Java coding convention, while Roedy simply pointed you to what you need without much explanation (nothing wrong with Roedy's answer... but you won't really learn why unless you act by going to his site and read). And you chose to thank Roedy and spit in Lew's face. > > > > The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question > > > > Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Lew's reply contain the same information as Roedy's post. According to you?!? > To be fair, > Lew's reply contains *more* information than Roedy's. I don't need more info! If I need more info, I could have spent hours surfing the internet, and reading all about the String class and the XML specification. I am not a Student and don't have a time, I am a Programmer, and wanted to resolve my current task! > Lew notified > you, politely, about the use of regular expression in > String. Nope, he was not polite! But Roedy was polite, the other guy was kind of arrogant, and stupid conformist! > replaceAll(), netiquette of using usenet, and globally accepted > Java coding convention, Globally accepted java coding convention?!?!? Sometimes, you need to break stupid nonsense rules! I am a Programmer and I care less of those little nonsense rules which are not that big deal at all to me, and to anyone who is not too much conformist! > while Roedy simply pointed you to what you > need without much explanation (nothing wrong with Roedy's answer... > but you won't really learn why unless you act by going to his site and > read). No, Roedy explained intelligently, in a few words, what replaceAll method is all about, and the other guy, f.cking mine as he is, he just started tell me the code I copied and pasted did not end with a bracket and the bracked was on the next line! What a stupid and arrogant answer! And he went on, pasting a link and telling me to read the link, and spend hours reading all those sh.t, while I don't have even enough time, to finish my current task! > And you chose to thank Roedy and spit in Lew's face.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >> > > > The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question >> > > > Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> >> > > Did you read the Javadocs on the replaceAll() method? <http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/String.html#replaceAl...)> >> > > The first argument is a regular expression, in which the question mark has >> > > special significance. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > According to you?!? and me. >> To be fair, >> Lew's reply contains *more* information than Roedy's. > > I don't need more info! If I need more info, I could have spent hours > surfing the internet, and reading all about the String class and the > XML specification. So, you're lazy and can't be bothered to do the necessary research yourself. You come to Usenet, ask a poorly worded question and when you get politely corrected you become offensive. You are Twisted AICMFP. That really is not the way to behave if you with to get help in future. > I am not a Student and don't have a time, I am a Programmer, and > wanted to resolve my current task! You're a programmer? Really? and you think we should use our time to help lazy people who can't be bothered to help themselves? >> Lew notified >> you, politely, about the use of regular expression in >> String. > > Nope, he was not polite! But Roedy was polite, the other guy was kind > of arrogant, and stupid conformist! Yes he was polite. But you can't see that. >> replaceAll(), netiquette of using usenet, and globally accepted >> Java coding convention, > > Globally accepted java coding convention?!?!? Sometimes, you need to > break stupid nonsense rules! Fine, be stupid and break the "stupid" rules. Don't expect any help here. > I am a Programmer and I care less of those little nonsense rules which > are not that big deal at all to me, and to anyone who is not too much > conformist! I doubt very much you really are a programmer. Maybe a programmer wannabe, but if you really were a programmer those "little nonsense rules" would be quite important to you. >> while Roedy simply pointed you to what you >> need without much explanation (nothing wrong with Roedy's answer... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > hours reading all those sh.t, while I don't have even enough time, to > finish my current task! So, once again you tell us how lazy you are, and expect that we should do your work for you. I think not. SignatureNigel Wade, System Administrator, Space Plasma Physics Group, University of Leicester, Leicester, LE1 7RH, UK E-mail : nmw@ion.le.ac.uk Phone : +44 (0)116 2523548, Fax : +44 (0)116 2523555 > >> > > > The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question > >> > > > Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > > - Show quoted text - An other idiot speaks! Go to hell, stupid! > An other idiot speaks! Go to hell, stupid! Ah, now I see your wit and knowledge are boundless. I bow to your superior intellect and realise that I am not worthy to provide assistance to you in future. Plonk. SignatureNigel Wade, System Administrator, Space Plasma Physics Group, University of Leicester, Leicester, LE1 7RH, UK E-mail : nmw@ion.le.ac.uk Phone : +44 (0)116 2523548, Fax : +44 (0)116 2523555 > An other idiot speaks! Introspection is the first step toward enlightenment. I'm glad you could recognize your faults. Next, work on correcting them. > > An other idiot speaks! > > Introspection is the first step toward enlightenment. I'm glad you > could recognize your faults. Next, work on correcting them. f.ck off, dumbass! > >> > > > The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question > >> > > > Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Please, look this Stupid "System Administrator", Nigel Wade, talk that I am not a Programmer. f.cking idiot, are you kind of PC Technician/ Window Admin at the University? It was bound to happen eventually, and now it has: someone has made another, entirely new wrong guess regarding my identity. > > I don't need more info! If I need more info, I could have spent hours > > surfing the internet, and reading all about the String class and the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > come to Usenet, ask a poorly worded question and when you get politely > corrected you become offensive. You are Twisted AICMFP. No, he isn't Twisted. Sorry. Oh, and by the way... Error: undefined external symbol "AICMFP". Both sides in this latest flamewar are acting like a.ses, with a few exceptions (e.g. Roedy is trying to be reasonable). Lew's original post, for example, was a bit rude, or at least ... "abrupt" and focused more on nitpicking issues unrelated to the OP's problem than on the OP's problem. Dodgy English grammar is the norm in any international forum; you should all be used to it by now, and picking on someone for being fairly new to the language is not very nice. To whoever: if your news software munges lines that start with > that's your problem and not the OP's. On the other hand, the OP's large number of posts lately a) quoting everything only to add one or two lines and b) those lines being "f.ck off!" and the like isn't very constructive. He's not even rebutting the things said about him, let alone responding with reason or trying to do something constructive with those posts. My recommendations: * To question-answerers: if you can, answer a poster's question *first* and add any grammatical suggestions or linting, whether of his English or of his Java (or both), afterward; and do be diplomatic about it rather than terse and dismissing or even rude. A hostile answer is often worse than no answer at all, especially if it results in a lot of noise in the ng down the line as often occurs. * To the OP: pure "f.ck off" posts aren't either endearing or especially useful, and quoting everything in order to add just the one line is a waste of bandwidth. At least you're not top-posting too... On Sep 14, 7:15 pm, nebulou...@gmail.com wrote: > It was bound to happen eventually, and now it has: someone has made > another, entirely new wrong guess regarding my identity. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > the things said about him, let alone responding with reason or trying > to do something constructive with those posts. There is no need to waste my time, explaining what happened here, it's all clear, the guy acted as a f.cking arrogant, and all the other stupid idiots who are backing him up reveal clearly how f.cking idiots, they are, f.cking deprived of any intellectual integrity, much less enough critical thinking, to understand the arrogance of that idiot, lew! Still even wonder if many of these idiots are all programmers. >>> I don't need more info! If I need more info, I could have spent hours >>> surfing the internet, and reading all about the String class and the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > No, he isn't Twisted. Sorry. I don't think it was meant literally. > Oh, and by the way... > > Error: undefined external symbol "AICMFP". You can find it in Wikipedia. > My recommendations: > * To question-answerers: if you can, answer a poster's question [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > especially useful, and quoting everything in order to add just the one > line is a waste of bandwidth. That is actually good advice ! Arne >> To be fair, >> Lew's reply contains *more* information than Roedy's. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I am not a Student and don't have a time, I am a Programmer, and > wanted to resolve my current task! Why ? If you are not able to lookup some methods in the Java API docs quicker than posting to usenet, then there are no point in writing any code - the result should go directly to the trash bin. Arne On Sep 13, 5:14 pm, Arne Vajh?j <a...@vajhoej.dk> wrote: > >> To be fair, > >> Lew's reply contains *more* information than Roedy's. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Arne That is your opinion, jackass! > > > > > The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question > > > > > Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > I am not a Student and don't have a time, I am a Programmer, and > wanted to resolve my current task! Would you go to a doctor that said they didn't have time to study medicine before treating you? You are not a programmer. > > Lew notified > > you, politely, about the use of regular expression in > > String. > > Nope, he was not polite! But Roedy was polite, the other guy was kind > of arrogant, and stupid conformist! Actually, its more than just conformity, there is a real reason to do that. When I first saw your code snippet, I assumed you were using proper convention, so I thought that XMLString was a class that I didn't know about, so wasn't sure that XMLString.replaceAll used regex, even though I know xmlString.replaceAll probably would. > > replaceAll(), netiquette of using usenet, and globally accepted > > Java coding convention, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > are not that big deal at all to me, and to anyone who is not too much > conformist! Again, you are not a programmer, you are at this point a troll. If you keep up the flaming any longer, I'd also consider you an idiot (although, you don't yet have that distinction). Would you call a carpenter a conformist because he used "standard" tools and measurements? It amounts to the same thing, it makes it easier to communicate if everyone's speaking the same language. > > while Roedy simply pointed you to what you > > need without much explanation (nothing wrong with Roedy's answer... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > hours reading all those sh.t, while I don't have even enough time, to > finish my current task! You're current task is never more important than learning to improve your performance on the next 10 tasks. Also, apparently your current task isn't that high a priority, since you're spending so much time trolling. > > > > > > The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question > > > > > > Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You are not on my level, f.cking dumbass! Tell me since when have you been a Programmer? f.ck off! > > Also, apparently your current task isn't that high a priority, since > > you're spending so much time trolling. > > You are not on my level, f.cking dumbass! Tell me since when have you > been a Programmer? > f.ck off! Well, lets see... I started learning how to be a programmer when I was 8 years old, on an old Atari 800 using BASIC. I eventually moved on to learn gwbasic (the MS DOS version of basic before QBASIC). Then I learned QBASIC (The predecessor to VB). I took a few classes at a local college when I was 11 in C++ and object oriented programming. When I was 15 I worked as a teachers assistant in those same classes. Around that time I learned 8086 Assembly, and Java. I continued to study on my own time different aspects of programming. I have never stopped learning about programming (actually, I've graduated from programmer to engineer IMO), and now I'm 26. I've had 18 years a programming/engineering practice, and I never once claimed to not have enough time to look up or figure out an answer for myself. So, I guess you're right, you and I aren't on the same level. You look like an ant all the way down there. I *know* I have a lot to learn, and I think its sad that you can't recognize your own ignorance. > I have never stopped learning about programming (actually, I've > graduated from programmer to engineer IMO), and now I'm 26. I've had > 18 years a programming/engineering practice, and I never once claimed > to not have enough time to look up or figure out an answer for > myself. This guy is f.cking liar! Maybe he doesn't work in Corporate America, and get f.cking busy, with the Go-Live Phase! Where do you work, idiot! >> I have never stopped learning about programming (actually, I've >> graduated from programmer to engineer IMO), and now I'm 26. I've had [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and get f.cking busy, with the Go-Live Phase! > Where do you work, idiot! I timed it. Given that my computer is on, it took me 91 seconds to start up Firefox, google Java +replaceAll, click on the first result, scroll down to the definition of replaceAll and read the text there. Judging from my receive date, it took 2797 seconds for you to receive Lew's response. That is ~ 3000% increase in response time to use Usenet as opposed to merely searching online. I am being unrealistic with respect to the Usenet time, though: you probably were not notified the exact second that your news ISP received his post. Given fudge factors, it is probably closer to 4000 seconds. Most of my 91 seconds in searching the result was starting up my web browser. Any way you look at it, searching is /faster/ than asking on Usenet. In answer to your last question, perusing his headers indicates that Mr. Pitts is using an en-US-localized Firefox build, therefore it is safe to assume that he is working in the US. SignatureBeware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth > In answer to your last question, perusing his headers indicates that Mr. > Pitts is using an en-US-localized Firefox build, therefore it is safe to > assume that he is working in the US. I would not assume that. A lot of people outside the US prefer to run UK or US versions of all software. Arne > > > > The sample code below doesn't work, but if you take out the Question > > > > Mark character, "?" in front of the value "Print" of the "action" [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Lew's reply contain the same information as Roedy's post. Fuckink moron, Lew's reply contains some info, but it also contains arrogance and rudeness! > Fuckink moron, Lew's reply contains some info, but it also contains > arrogance and rudeness! And this response certainly isn't rude, is it? Man, I can hear all the <plonk>s without even having my computer turned on. Talk about burning bridges... > > Fuckink moron, Lew's reply contains some info, but it also contains > > arrogance and rudeness! > > And this response certainly isn't rude, is it? Man, I can hear all the > <plonk>s without even having my computer turned on. Talk about burning > bridges... Nope, I am just dealing with an idiot! ... >Come on, dude! Are you so stupid, to not understand that the code >works, and you may need to move the bracket, where it supposes to be, >when running it! Are you so stupid as to think any of us care enough to fix your broken(-a.s) code? Perhaps you need a help-desk. Please be sure to mention how much you intend hindering them at helping you, so they might charge the appropriate rate. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ > .. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Message posted via JavaKB.comhttp://www.javakb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/java-general/200709/1 f.ck off, idiot! .. >f.ck off, idiot! LOL! As an aside, has that 'command' ever, in the history of usenet, worked? ;-) SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ >f.ck off, idiot! Unfortunately the people who are most helpful are also the most obsessed with details. It helps to recall you are on stage in a newsgroup. This is not personal mail. People are talking to the audience, not just to you. Letting anything slide is encouraging newbies to code that way. With only one exception, I don't plonk people who drive me nuts with their snarky comments. They have information I find useful, and they keep me on my toes. The disadvantage to venting is you encourage these folk you put you their killfiles. Without these irritating folk starting conversations about your problems, they can be left without response. P.S. Your comments in anger express an attitude that will really get backs up. This is a discussion forum. It's purpose is not to rapidly serve customers. Its purpose is to discuss and learn about Java. You are not _entitled_ to any sort of response at all. As soon as you start ordering people around as to how they are permitted to respond to you, tempers will flare. "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part." ~ Tee shirt slogan http://www.zazzle.com/your_poor_planning_not_my_emergency_tee_shirt-235372231155 069406 SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com On Sep 13, 3:27 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote: > >f.ck off, idiot! > > Unfortunately the people who are most helpful are also the most > obsessed with details. No, he was not helping me that much, but he wanted to be mine to me, when talking about the bracket issue! Tell me, how could the bracket bother him so much, till he wanted to tell me about it! Don't you sometimes have a problem, when coping and pasting the code to the newsgroup? > It helps to recall you are on stage in a > newsgroup. He will need to be have them! >This is not personal mail. People are talking to the > audience, not just to you. So people are being arrogant here, and I should let it go, without responding to them?!?! > Letting anything slide is encouraging > newbies to code that way. I can understand this, but he was little bit of arrogant toward me! > With only one exception, I don't plonk people who drive me nuts with > their snarky comments. They have information I find useful, and they [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > start ordering people around as to how they are permitted to respond > to you, tempers will flare. Come on, Roedy! his bracket response bothered me a lot, and still wonder if he never had any problem coping and pasting code to a newsgroup! > "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my > part." > ~ Tee shirt sloganhttp://www.zazzle.com/your_poor_planning_not_my_emergency_tee_shirt-2... > -- > Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products > The Java Glossaryhttp://mindprod.com Ed skrev: > On Sep 13, 3:27 am, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > sometimes have a problem, when coping and pasting the code to the > newsgroup? The problem with the bracket was that if it starts a line, the line is interpreted as part of a citation, and in my newsreader and many other newsreaders, it is shown as a (coloured) vertical bar, not as ">". Lew did not tell you about it to be *mean* ("mine" is another word entirely, and I did not understand what you meant with it until your last post). You are not coping well with English. The word is "copying". >> It helps to recall you are on stage in a >> newsgroup. > > He will need to be have them! (behave then) He did behave. You don't behave very well, to say the least. >> This is not personal mail. People are talking to the >> audience, not just to you. > > So people are being arrogant here, and I should let it go, without > responding to them?!?! Nobody but you has been arrogant. > Ed skrev: > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Nobody but you has been arrogant. f.ck off, jackass! Ed schreef: > f.ck off, jackass! Plonk. SignatureHendrik Maryns http://tcl.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de/~hendrik/ ================== http://aouw.org Ask smart questions, get good answers: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html On Sep 14, 10:40 am, Hendrik Maryns <hendrik_mar...@despammed.com> wrote: > Ed schreef: > > > f.ck off, jackass! > > Plonk. f.ck off, moron! >> It helps to recall you are on stage in a >> newsgroup. > > He will need to be have them! You mean behave, right? Well, the same goes for you, and as far as I recall, you were the one to open the curseword-toolbox. >> This is not personal mail. People are talking to the >> audience, not just to you. > > So people are being arrogant here, and I should let it go, without > responding to them?!?! Yep. If someone insults you, he is a what? An idiot, right. Idiots don't have a clue and are bound to not get one, either. So why waste your time on arguing with clueless people who, by large, are not gonna change? (Which brings up an interesting point: You mentioned having no time, because you're a busy programmer. All the more reason to just let slip stuff that doesn't help you.) And if you really, *really* must duke these things out you can always do it in private email. >> Letting anything slide is encouraging >> newbies to code that way. > > I can understand this, but he was little bit of arrogant toward me! Thats clearly a matter of personal opinion. The word "personal" implying that this is not to be discussed in public. > Come on, Roedy! his bracket response bothered me a lot, and still > wonder if he never had any problem coping and pasting code to a > newsgroup! OK, granted. But computer people generally *are* anal. You will just have to live with that. Measured by the general tone on this group, I don't feel he was impolite. Believe me, there are raving a.sholes out here; you will have read from them, I'm sure. Lew, while certainly not the biggest sugartongue, is clearly one of the more helpful types around here. People who know stuff tend to get cocky, just accept it. It's not gonna change just because someone vents. So far it hasn't, so it probably never will. Therefore: Save your breath. /W (I will say this clearly: I didn't mean to attack you with this message. If you feel insulted by me, you really have a problem with your reception of written communication. Which by the way a lot of people on the internet seem to have.) On Sep 13, 9:22 am, Wildemar Wildenburger <lasses_w...@klapptsowieso.net> wrote: > >> It helps to recall you are on stage in a > >> newsgroup. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, the same goes for you, and as far as I recall, you were the one to > open the curseword-toolbox. Yes, he needs to behave, and when helping anyone here, he needs to act as a Servant, and not as a f.cking arrogant! For your info, why do you think Roedy still answered my question even if the other guy just posted a java doc here?!?! Because Reody knew that it's f.cking simple question, and I don't need to look in Java Doc, for a f.cking one hour! If at least, he could point out to me, the "replace" method, and provide me the JavaDoc link, to study the difference between replace and replaceAll, that would have been very nice! He just provided me, a JavaDoc link, without even mentioning the "replace" method, even if he knew that was my answer, I was looking for! f.cking Jackass! > So people are being arrogant here, and I should let it go, without > responding to them?!?! I find it useful to read this occasionally - http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#keepcool > Come on, Roedy! his bracket response bothered me a lot, and still > wonder if he never had any problem coping and pasting code to a > newsgroup! By prefixing the code with ">" symbols you do make it a tiny bit harder for people who want to help you. Speaking for myself, when posting problems, I expend extra effort to try and make it easy for people to help me. Just my EUR 0.02 worth. > Just my EUR 0.02 worth. That is the most subtle way of saying "My response is worthless" that I have ever seen. I mean you guys have the pound AFAIK. ;) /W > > So people are being arrogant here, and I should let it go, without > > responding to them?!?! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Just my EUR 0.02 worth. That's what I did! I posted here a small sample class! I told all, that my class runs just fine, ***BUT*** if you take out the ? in front of the value "Print", the class would not work! So, what's your point! Please read my posting again, and see how I was very clear, on my question! > > So people are being arrogant here, and I should let it go, without > > responding to them?!?! > > I find it useful to read this occasionally > -http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#keepcool And the advice a few lines above this is "Don't claim that you have found a bug"! > > Come on, Roedy! his bracket response bothered me a lot, and still > > wonder if he never had any problem coping and pasting code to a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Just my EUR 0.02 worth. Quick reminder to all: This is a good time to review http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ... and to remember that when someone's getting excessively angry, arguing with them is generally not going to improve matters. (Killing the thread.) Signature() ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Joe Kesselman /\ Stamp out HTML e-mail! | System architexture and kinetic poetry >> Also, the variable "XMLString", being a variable, should start with a >> lower-case letter, by convention. > > Where did you get that rule, Mr. Conformist! From Sun's Java Coding Convention, which you should study. Arne On Sep 13, 5:11 pm, Arne Vajh?j <a...@vajhoej.dk> wrote: > >> Also, the variable "XMLString", being a variable, should start with a > >> lower-case letter, by convention. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Arne I know that, I can study it, but I don't have to follow some of the nonsense rules which may be in it! Arne, you don't have to always be a follower, sometimes, you need to act as aa leader and not f.cking conformist! Now, you wonder why linux is a much better OS than any other! > On Sep 13, 5:11 pm, Arne Vajh?j <a...@vajhoej.dk> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > conformist! > Now, you wonder why linux is a much better OS than any other! What's with calling people a conformist? Linux is a better OS because the designer and architect decided on good coding style, where as Microsoft decided to do it their own way despite an existing convention. I agree that *blindly* following rules can be a bad thing. Some rules DO have a reason behind them, and naming conventions tend to help one programmer understand the code written by another. Remember, you're writing the source code for a human, not the computer. The computer could understand terribly obfuscated code, and it couldn't care less. You, on the other hand, would be able to debug, edit, and improve code which was clear and followed a convention you already understand. This is especially true when you ask for help. If aren't able to communicate what you want, then people aren't going to be able to get it to you. I hereby strip you of your "Programmer" title, and deem you a "Trolling Liar". You're a Liar, because you claim to be a programmer, but obviously know nothing of the art and science of programming. > > On Sep 13, 5:11 pm, Arne Vajh?j <a...@vajhoej.dk> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > - Show quoted text - f.cking idiot, you are not on my level! Not only, I have been a Programmer for a few decades, but I programm in more than two languages as we speak! C++, JAVA, C#. Do you get it?!? For your info, you may even be using a Java IDE Compiler written by my friends! <snip endless stream of uncalled for insults from Ed> At this point, one has to wonder that if Ed really has a question to ask, or is he started this thread just to troll. In any case I don't think Ed will get any more answers from this group. > <snip endless stream of uncalled for insults from Ed> > > At this point, one has to wonder that if Ed really has a question to > ask, or is he started this thread just to troll. > > In any case I don't think Ed will get any more answers from this group. Why? Do you run this group? Do you think I am here to only get answers? How about if I am here too, to provide answers? Why do you think I am here to get answers only, f.cking arrogant! > <snip endless stream of uncalled for insults from Ed> > > At this point, one has to wonder that if Ed really has a question to > ask, or is he started this thread just to troll. > > In any case I don't think Ed will get any more answers from this group. f.ck off, stupid jackass! > > > Now, you wonder why linux is a much better OS than any other! > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Programmer for a few decades, but I programm in more than two > languages as we speak! C++, JAVA, C#. Do you get it?!? When did this become a longer dick contest? My languages: C, C++, Java, JSP, PHP, 80x86 Assembly, SQL, bash, JavaScript, LPC, PLC, Python, perl, a few toy languages that I've created, as well as several proprietary scripting languages at companies that I've worked at. I've not only been programming for 18 years, I've been passionate about programming for 18 years. I've also studied Design Patterns, Object Oriented Programming, Functional Programming, and Aspect Oriented Programming. I've written low level graphics card drivers in C and in Assembly. I've worked on high volume (120+ million hits/day) websites. Complex content management systems. I also have worked on a control software platform which handles traffic lights, water treatment plants, drawbridges, power supply stations. > For your info, you may even be using a Java IDE Compiler written by my > friends! What does the accomplishment of your friends have to do with your programming ability? Also, I don't need to compile my IDE, so I don't use an IDE Compiler :-) If you mean the compiler in an IDE, I'm curious which one, if its the one I use, I have a few suggestions, otherwise, STFU. >> f.cking idiot, you are not on my level! Not only, I have been a >> Programmer for a few decades, but I programm in more than two >> languages as we speak! C++, JAVA, C#. Do you get it?!? C++ ~ Java ~ C# (C# is, in fact, MS's response to Java) (P.S., it's "Java", not "JAVA"). Try getting some more different languages under your belt. > My languages: C, C++, Java, JSP, PHP, 80x86 Assembly, SQL, bash, > JavaScript, LPC, PLC, Python, perl, a few toy languages that I've > created, as well as several proprietary scripting languages at > companies that I've worked at. I've not only been programming for 18 > years, I've been passionate about programming for 18 years. Better than my list: Lingua francae (did I get the plural right?): Java, English (couldn't resist :D) Languages I feel I have a strong mastery: C, C++, Python Languages I can easily program in: x86 assembly (both Intel and GCC-syntax), PHP, SQL, JavaScript, Bash, TI-Basic (both TI-89 and TI-83 style). Languages I can recognize and comprehend: LISP, Perl (to a degree), Pascal, Fortran, {M}MIX assembly, French Since I'm not yet 18 years old, I can't yet have 18 years of programming experience, but I've been passionate and somewhat programming for ~ 10 years. Also, the last category probably doesn't count as my languages. >> For your info, you may even be using a Java IDE Compiler written by my >> friends! Definitely not. The only Java IDE I use is vim (it is also my editor of choice for nearly all of the languages listed above), although I've dabbled with JCreator and jEdit in the past. The only compiler I have ever used is Sun Java. > What does the accomplishment of your friends have to do with your > programming ability? Also, I don't need to compile my IDE, so I don't > use an IDE Compiler :-) If you mean the compiler in an IDE, I'm > curious which one, if its the one I use, I have a few suggestions, > otherwise, STFU. As a note to Ed in general: 1. Ad hominem attacks weaken your arguments considerably. 2. Inserting vulgar language into every other sentence begins to conjure up in my mind a mental image of a southern redneck, which makes me more likely to ignore any future questions you may have. I am sure that similar feelings can be shared by a large number of people in this group. 3. Repeatedly in this thread, you have shown characteristics typical of many trolls, including: a. Repeated attacks and escalation of posts b. Inconsistent use of capitalization c. Words that you do not seem to know the meaning of 4. You continually insist that you are a programmer, but you have not mastered many of the fine arts of programming, showing instead: a. Willingness to ignore commonly-accepted standards b. Ignorance of basic documentation for topics c. Unwillingness to take criticism for sloppy work. d. Lack of initiative to actually look for documentation Granted, there are many programmers who do not take into account any of the fine arts, but when prompted to follow the basic guidelines, one should accept humility. SignatureBeware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth > >> f.cking idiot, you are not on my level! Not only, I have been a > >> Programmer for a few decades, but I programm in more than two [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "Java", not "JAVA"). Try getting some more different languages under > your belt. Idiot, I don't consider JSP or Java Script to language as you are all stating here! In my work, I also use, JSP, TCL, XML/XSL, Javascript, and note that I didn't include those ones! > As a note to Ed in general: > 1. Ad hominem attacks weaken your arguments considerably. > 2. Inserting vulgar language into every other sentence begins to conjure > up in my mind a mental image of a southern redneck, which makes me more > likely to ignore any future questions you may have. Because you are still acting like a jackass and rude, and once you understand that you are the ones who did start this sh.t, I will make peace with you! Why do you think Lew never replied to me? Because he knows that he was f.cking rude, when responding to me! f.ck off, now! > Idiot, I don't consider JSP or Java Script to language as you are all > stating here! > In my work, I also use, JSP, TCL, XML/XSL, Javascript, and note that I > didn't include those ones! Question 1: Is JavaScript Turing-complete? Question 2: Do you know what the implications of being Turing-complete are? Question 3: Would you like to say that "JavaScript is not a programming language" to the people of c.l.javascript? Too bad. You just did. > Because you are still acting like a jackass and rude, and once you > understand that you are the ones who did start this sh.t, I will make > peace with you! Why do you think Lew never replied to me? Because he > knows that he was f.cking rude, when responding to me! A quote from Lew's post, and your response: >> You need to watch where line breaks go in source posts to Usenet. >> You got a stray greater-than character ('>', a.k.a., "right angle [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > works, and you may need to move the bracket, where it supposes to be, > when running it! >> Also, the variable "XMLString", being a variable, should start with a >> lower-case letter, by convention. > > Where did you get that rule, Mr. Conformist! > Don't lecture to anyone here, your nonsense rule! Try to think out of > the box sometime! Who's being rude? Lew, who is advising you on a) proper ways to post to Usenet and b) following well-establish Java syntax, or you who immediately starts attacking him, using exclamation points three times where recommended usage is zero. (And your poor grammar doesn't help) SignatureBeware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth > > Idiot, I don't consider JSP or Java Script to language as you are all > > stating here! [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not > tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth Stupid, Joshua Crammer, still believes that Lew didn't act as a f.cking rude, when responding to my posting! f.ck off, idiot! > Stupid, Joshua Crammer, still believes that Lew didn't act as a > f.cking rude, when responding to my posting! The posting by Lew in question would be this: <URL:news:f86dnU6cJtyBR3XbnZ2dnUVZ_sKqnZ2d@comcast.com> You might have summed up Mr. Cranmer's opinion quite succintly. I know it's my opinion, and it does appear that it's shared by quite a number of people in this thread: No, Mr. Lew wasn't rude in responding to your posting. You might think so. You are entitled to your opinion. So are people who disagree with you. To those, you are the one who was rude first, and who refuses to admit it. Lew answered your question AND gave you advice on posting code to newsgroups (watch linebreaks, *good* advice) and on using variable naming consistent with convention (experience have shown that this is also good advice when you want others to read your code). This is advice that is given to any new poster not already following it, as a service to help them make better posts (i.e, posts more likely to make people help the poster). You were free to dismiss the advice. > f.ck off, idiot! I have *no* idea what you expect to achieve by such statements, but if it's anything to your advantage, I doubt it works as intended. /L SignatureLasse Reichstein Nielsen - lrn@hotpop.com DHTML Death Colors: <URL:http://www.infimum.dk/HTML/rasterTriangleDOM.html> 'Faith without judgement merely degrades the spirit divine.' > > Stupid, Joshua Crammer, still believes that Lew didn't act as a > > f.cking rude, when responding to my posting! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > naming consistent with convention (experience have shown that this > is also good advice when you want others to read your code). You are just a f.cking moron, and you better believe it! If Lew was not arrogant, he could at least respond to my question, and at the end of his posting, he could advise me, then, but he didn't do that. He didn't even tell me, that the "replace" method was an answer to my question, even if he knew about it! What he did was just to post a link to a Java Doc! f.ck off now! > He > didn't even tell me, that the "replace" method was an answer to my > question, even if he knew about it! What he did was just to post a > link to a Java Doc! Right, Lew should have taken the time to rephrase the information contained in the Javadoc. What could you possibly learn from information presented in a larger context and written by a professional technical writer? On Sep 15, 8:10 pm, "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > He > > didn't even tell me, that the "replace" method was an answer to my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in the Javadoc. What could you possibly learn from information presented in > a larger context and written by a professional technical writer? Idiot, I am not concerned about that that much, rather I am concerned about this rudeness, when replying to me! > On Sep 15, 8:10 pm, "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Idiot, I am not concerned about that that much, rather I am concerned > about this rudeness, when replying to me! Rude? Did he call you, say, an "idiot"? If so, as penance he should give up Usent for a period of no less than ten years. > [something irrelevant] Go away. PointedEars, F'up2 set On Sep 16, 2:28 am, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedE...@web.de> wrote: > > [something irrelevant] > > Go away. > > PointedEars, F'up2 set Why? Is this your newsgroup? Dumbass! > Idiot, I don't consider JSP or Java Script to language as you are all > stating here! JavaScript (one word) *is* a programming language. And a pretty nifty one too, even if almost completely unrelated to Java. JSP is a template framework, not a programming language. It does embed Java, though. Java is a language *and* a platform (or three, depending on how you count). > In my work, I also use, JSP, TCL, XML/XSL, Javascript, and note that I > didn't include those ones! Ok, omissions noted. /L SignatureLasse Reichstein Nielsen - lrn@hotpop.com DHTML Death Colors: <URL:http://www.infimum.dk/HTML/rasterTriangleDOM.html> 'Faith without judgement merely degrades the spirit divine.' > > Idiot, I don't consider JSP or Java Script to language as you are all > > stating here! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > JSP is a template framework, not a programming language. Daniel Pitts, did you read this? f.cking moron! > > > Idiot, I don't consider JSP or Java Script to language as you are all > > > stating here! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Daniel Pitts, did you read this? f.cking moron! Okay, JSP is a template framework. XML is a markup language, XSLT (which I also know) is a transform language. You can write fully functional programs in JSP (usually using embedded Java). > > JavaScript (one word) *is* a programming language. And a pretty > > nifty one too, even if almost completely unrelated to Java. Ed Idiot, did you read this? f.cking moron! :-) I know, its not right to feed the trolls, but it IS a lot of fun sometimes. > > > > Idiot, I don't consider JSP or Java Script to language as you are all > > > > stating here! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Okay, JSP is a template framework. Idiot, I am glad you are learning something! > Ed Idiot, did you read this? f.cking moron! > > :-) > > I know, its not right to feed the trolls, but it IS a lot of fun > sometimes. It's always amazing to follow a troll. Is this guy giving himself 5-star ratings on google groups? A lot of his posts seem to have them. On Sep 17, 9:37 am, zzant...@gmail.com wrote: > > Ed Idiot, did you read this? f.cking moron! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Is this guy giving himself 5-star ratings on google groups? A lot of > his posts seem to have them. Are you surprised that I get 5-star ratings? Many people are not idiots, like you, stupid! >> Ed Idiot, did you read this? f.cking moron! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Is this guy giving himself 5-star ratings on google groups? A lot of > his posts seem to have them. It still amazes me how anyone buys into the GG star-rating system, given its manifest, obvious and freely-discussed shortcomings. SignatureLew ... >It still amazes me how anyone buys into the GG star-rating system, given its >manifest, obvious and freely-discussed shortcomings. It surprises you that there is 'one born every minute'? That would be ..a nice mental place to be. ;) SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ > ... >> It still amazes me how anyone buys into the GG star-rating system, given its >> manifest, obvious and freely-discussed shortcomings. > > It surprises you that there is 'one born every minute'? > That would be ..a nice mental place to be. ;) It's a special world here, to be sure. Amazement and surprise are not the same thing. I didn't say that it surprised me. I've been seeing flowers and airplanes my entire life, but both continue to amaze me. SignatureLew If God had meant Man to fly, He'd have given us the imagination to invent airplanes. - me (in sig.) > If God had meant Man to fly, He'd have given us the imagination to invent > airplanes. > - me I like that quote. :-) ( But no, I am not about to give it a '5 star' rating - just the review, above. ;) Andrew T. Lew wrote: >> If God had meant Man to fly, >> He'd have given us the imagination to invent airplanes. >> - me > I like that quote. :-) > > ( But no, I am not about to give it a > '5 star' rating - just the review, above. ;) Thank you. I appreciate your kind words for my humble slogan. I came up with it many years ago. Other people have made similar remarks, e.g., Clark Jones in November, 2005, <http://www.ieeepacn.com/advisor_november_2005%20(2).pdf>: > On the religious aspect, my comment is: "If God had meant man to fly, He'd have given him > a brain so that he could figure out how." Don Herbison-Evans, October, 2004, <http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~don/ufos/machine.html>: > ... the aphorism that if God had meant man to fly, > He would have given us the brains to devise machines in which to do it. Great minds think alike. SignatureLew reasoning circular works because > Lew wrote: >>> If God had meant Man to fly, He'd have given us the imagination to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Great minds think alike. If God had meant us to have original thoughts, he wouldn't have made so many of us. >> Lew wrote: >>>> If God had meant Man to fly, He'd have given us the imagination to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > If God had meant us to have original thoughts, he wouldn't have made so many > of us. Surely all He did was design the original class, sub-class that, and create one instance of each. They were responsible for all the other instances. SignatureNigel Wade, System Administrator, Space Plasma Physics Group, University of Leicester, Leicester, LE1 7RH, UK E-mail : nmw@ion.le.ac.uk Phone : +44 (0)116 2523548, Fax : +44 (0)116 2523555 >>> Lew wrote: >>>>> If God had meant Man to fly, He'd have given us the imagination to ... >> If God had meant us to have original thoughts, he wouldn't have made so many >> of us. > >Surely all He did was design the original class, sub-class that, and create one >instance of each. They were responsible for all the other instances. Yeah.. (vaguely) throw in some 'parity check'* errors into that GOD (God Oriented Design), and I think you've about summed it up. * Source of both creativity, and madness. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ > zzant...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Ed Idiot, did you read this? f.cking moron! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > It still amazes me how anyone buys into the GG star-rating system, given its > manifest, obvious and freely-discussed shortcomings. Yes, I do! The fact that I got the 5-start ratings on my postings explaining how you was rude to me, makes me to kind of trust the google ratings! > -- > Lew > Yes, I do! The fact that I got the 5-start ratings on my postings > explaining how you was rude to me, makes me to kind of trust the > google ratings! (To readers of m.e.l.e: this is a perfect example of how NOT to write English.) (P.S. I know I shouldn't do this, but it is just too fun to pass up ;-)) Several comments to explain about why this is not proper grammar: In English, the word `was' indicates the past participle of `to be' in the third person singular form /only/. The relevant past participle (here, we need to be in second person, which corresponds as well to all plural forms) that you are looking for is `were'. The construction `to make one' is not followed by the word `to'; what you need to do is drop that word from the following infinitive. There is no word called `google' (there is a `googol', as in 10^100). If you are referring to the company with that name, then your capitalization should reflect that, as a proper noun [*]: `Google'. Semantically, that classifies all of your sins; however, your choice of words is not the most appealing in the world. `To get' is very slangy, and, seeing as Usenet expects a certain level, of professionalism, the better verb is `to receive'. I know of no rating that uses `starts'; are you looking for `star'? `5' should not be written as a digit (as well as other numbers less than ten), it is better to use `five' in this case. On forums, the term `posting' should be eschewed in favor of the word `post' (shorter noun, and I dislike gerunds as well). Finally, usage of exclamation points is highly disregarded in Usenet posts, as it places others' impressions of you as roughly equivalent to a loud-mouthed twelve-year old kid. Your continual usage of vulgar language and poor grasps on the basic points of politeness also add to the impression of a brat. [*] Well, in recent times, companies have fallen in love with the non-traditional forms of capitalization, preferring such proper nouns as `iPod'. The best rule of thumb to follow is to use the official capitalization rules of the company owning the trademark. SignatureBeware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth >> ... explaining how you was rude to me ... > > In English, the word `was' indicates the past participle of `to be' in > the third person singular form /only/. Damn, I really *was* sure, that this word has more uses than just for 3rd person... I think there is some "usenet law", that claims that everyone correcting another poster's grammer is bound to make some grammar-related error in his posting, as well. Aren't I right? >>> ... explaining how you was rude to me ... >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Aren't I right? <wads> Pouvons-nous tout le début parlant en français (comme mal traduit par Google) ? Je suis positif qu'apaisera les corrections mineures incessantes à n'importe qui après, présent, ou futur participe. </wads> <originally> Can we all start speaking in French (as badly translated by Google)? I am positive that will quell the incessant minor corrections to anyone's past, present, or future participle. </originally> Oh, ..and 'WADS' is an abbreviation I coined on the spot - 'with all due sarcasm'. If you have a problem with it - bite me. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ > >> ... explaining how you was rude to me ... > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Aren't I right? I know it as "Skitt's Law": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skitt%27s_law There may be other versions. SignatureB. L. Massingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor. > In English, the word `was' indicates the past participle of `to be' > in the third person singular form /only/. The relevant past > participle (here, we need to be in second person, which corresponds > as well to all plural forms) that you are looking for is `were'. You are confusing simple past tense and past participle. The participle is used as an adjective or with have/had/will to form the perfect tenses. E.g. "I did X" and "X is done". The participle of "to be" is "been", the past tense is "was". /gordon -- > You are confusing simple past tense and past participle. The > participle is used as an adjective or with have/had/will to form the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > /gordon erm... any1 wud lk 2 dedikate sum tim 2 discus da folwin txt? :) I find it brilliant and at the same time I'm really concerned about the kids who posted it, got it from a friend, copied from BBC websites few months ago: chloe loads of ppl in my yr (yr9) av ad sex many av ad it more den once. i aint an sex and im in no rush but dat dosnt mean dat if i wanted to over the nxt to yrs i wont. but i no dat wen i do av sex its gunna be my decision not my friends or my bfs or any1 else!!!!!!! sometimes sex is just for fun or it is just as a dare for most people it is jst to prove something, before sex was for love for when people are ready, theres nothing involved in sex no more it used to be love, now its just pride bex if u think u r ready 2 have sex..then fair enough..nowt can stop you. But people dont fink much about the consequences. Sex ed isnt taught well in schools..i can say i am 15 n i dnt rele know dat much at all about sex!! nicole15 i fink if ur rdy 2 do it then go ahead but dont get pressured in2 it.i also fink age is jus a number causes if its ment 2 be it will.i am in love wit a 19year old fella and he respect me nd dosent pressure me 2 do anyfing wit him cause he loves me :-> xoxo nicole15 i fink if ur rdy 2 do it then go ahead but dont get pressured in2 it.i also fink age is jus a number causes if its ment 2 be it will.i am in love wit a 19year old fella and he respect me nd dosent pressure me 2 do anyfing wit him cause he loves me :-> xoxo Jelly In dis country, sex is made out 2 b such a biiig issue dat it no wonda dat so many yung ppl c it as a huge, excitin ting- d soona experienced d betta. If dis country was mre relaxd about sex & talkin bout sex like otha European countries, praps England, like dem, wudnt hav so many problms related 2 underaged sex. Cos no big fuss is made, many teenagers in those countries decide 2 wait b4 havin sex- r country woud be 100x's betta if it followd ther example a bit mre insted of stirring up teenage e |
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