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http://groups.google.com/group/java-code-challenge/web/calculate-mininterval?hl=en >http://groups.google.com/group/java-code-challenge/web/calculate-mininterval?hl=en Please don't bring conversations from these 'toy' Google Groups over to usenet.  SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ >http://groups.google.com/group/java-code-challenge/web/calculate-mininterval?hl=en Why do people bother making up so many artificial problems where the answer does not matter when there are so many real world problems to solve? This is a general question. It is a deeply rooted feature of humanity. Is it just they admit tidy solutions with minimal work? And why do you want us to work on it? 1. to publicise the web site. 2. so you can submit the solution as yours? 3. because you think we need the exercise? SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > Why do people bother making up so many artificial problems where the > answer does not matter when there are so many real world problems to > solve? This is a general question. It is a deeply rooted feature of > humanity. Right you are. But you make it sound like games are a bad thing. > Is it just they admit tidy solutions with minimal work? I don't get that sentence. /W On Sep 11, 9:04 am, Wildemar Wildenburger <lasses_w...@klapptsowieso.net> wrote: > > Why do people bother making up so many artificial problems where the > > answer does not matter when there are so many real world problems to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > /W substitute "allow for" for "admit" On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:04:32 +0200, Wildemar Wildenburger <lasses_weil@klapptsowieso.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Right you are. But you make it sound like games are a bad thing. > >> Is it just they admit tidy solutions with minimal work? >> >I don't get that sentence. My mother was highly opposed to games and athletics. Everything in her view needed a practical purpose. I picked up that attitude. Why do people waste time on puzzles? You do the work without any benefit. So why would you? because you get a charge out of solving a problem. Artificial problems are artificially tidy and easy so you get a big bang for a small amount of work. Real world problems rarely have quick or tidy solutions. They are full of compromises. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > My mother was highly opposed to games and athletics. Everything in > her view needed a practical purpose. I picked up that attitude. Why > do people waste time on puzzles? Athletics are not without a purpose - not everyone sits behind a desk every day all day. Even the average person benefits from the coordination gained from being forced to play sports when going to school. Games also teach people skills. Small skills can build forming a foundation for the big problems. Quite often, impractical problems are what give reason for one to get out of bed in the morning. Most people hate their jobs, and only have time for something small on the side. It is hard to find a job that works on the real problems. - Kurt >> My mother was highly opposed to games and athletics. Everything in >> her view needed a practical purpose. I picked up that attitude. Why [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > for something small on the side. It is hard to find a job that works > on the real problems. Solving "toy" problems is like lifting lighter weights - it builds your mental muscles without straining them too hard whilst you're learning. SignatureLew >Solving "toy" problems is like lifting lighter weights - it builds your mental >muscles without straining them too hard whilst you're learning. I found that in teaching kids, artificial problems put them off unless it was very clear it was a stepping stone to their stated goal. Think of all the silly artificial arithmetic problems you solved in school. All they did in most cases was convince the students they would never need arithmetic or algebra once the exam was done. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > I found that in teaching kids, artificial problems put them off unless > it was very clear it was a stepping stone to their stated goal. Putting them off is irrelevant - you need to learn the basics, and the kids just need the discipline to do it. That is why they are not given a choice about studying before they understand why they need to study it. The most efficient way to get the material across is to teach it, and filling the lessons with fluff does nothing more than hold those with the aptitude for it back. About the only real world problem that a kid in grade school is going to be able to do with arithmetic is balance a checkbook. Word problems - the most hated by students - attempt to put the math to use. But those are typically artificial problems too. I can't think of any real problems that you are going to be able to present to kids learning algebra who are just learning how to factor polynomials. The most insight you can give them is that they are going through this trouble to eventually find the roots of the equation, and at the most you can plot the equation and show them what this means. But, without physics, what is the use of that? What about complex numbers? Just what real world problem will a high school junior be able to work on in which complex numbers are needed? > Think of all the silly artificial arithmetic problems you solved in > school. All they did in most cases was convince the students they > would never need arithmetic or algebra once the exam was done. Maybe the stupid kids. All the "silly artificial arithmetic problems" I worked as a kid formed the foundation for the mathematics I do on a daily basis. I knew I was going to be an engineer, so I paid attention and learned. I'm disgusted with the programs I see in place now. I would love for someone to explain to me why it is necessary to have certain software on your computer, or a special graphics calculator, to learn arithmetic, algebra, geomoetry, calculus, etc.... I can't believe they waste time teaching students how to use such software. They do it because they believe it will make it more interesting for the kids. But, it takes up valuable time that should be spent on mathematics - once again it all comes down to holding back the gifted for the sake of the average. - Kurt On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:33:45 -0000, ~kurt <actinouranium@earthlink.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Athletics are not without a purpose - not everyone sits behind a desk >every day all day In my mother's view exercise is necessary, but it should be combined with a practical purpose, e.g. gardening, transportation or housework. There is just so much to be done, you can't fritter your energy on treadmills. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > In my mother's view exercise is necessary, but it should be combined > with a practical purpose, e.g. gardening, transportation or housework. Well, the problem with that view is such work does not put your muscles through a full range of motion, so they tend to atrophy. And, they do not stress the skeletal system enough to maintain bone density. You can see the difference between active old people, and active old people who work out - it is like night and day. - Kurt > In my mother's view exercise is necessary, but it should be combined > with a practical purpose, e.g. gardening, transportation or housework. By no means is this going to be an offense (you have to be really carefull about that around here), but what are you doing for fun? /W >> In my mother's view exercise is necessary, but it should be combined >> with a practical purpose, e.g. gardening, transportation or housework. >> > By no means is this going to be an offense (you have to be really > carefull about that around here), but what are you doing for fun? We Germans just don't get the tenses right, do we? Make that: What do you do for fun? Sorry. /W On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:31:33 +0200, Wildemar Wildenburger <lasses_weil@klapptsowieso.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >We Germans just don't get the tenses right, do we? >Make that: What do you do for fun? My health is so bad, I have very little energy. Things you might would not think of: - a hot bath - an effervescent drink with ground up fruit. - going to the store for a bagel - watching First Wave on TV. - word play and discussions about topics no one else thinks about with my roommate. - reading about technology I will likely never use. - answering easy newbie questions. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:03:16 +0200, Wildemar Wildenburger <lasses_weil@klapptsowieso.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >but what are you doing for fun She was not a Christian, but would get quite angry when she heard people "having fun". It doubt it was really a philosophical complaint with frivolity, just that it made her envious. She was a bit of a slave driver, and was only happy when she had all her 5 kids industriously working away on activities that would increase her social status. There is a line in Mary Poppins -- "fraught with purpose". I like all my activities "fraught with purpose". Something inside prods that my activities all must be directed to some grand end. Even though you can see the source of your mental programming, that does not escape you from it. Adulthood is a great series of disillusionments about my own importance in the universe. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com > Adulthood is a great series of disillusionments about my > own importance in the universe. You have trememdous importance in the universe, Roedy. SignatureLew On Sep 11, 8:21 pm, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote: > >http://groups.google.com/group/java-code-challenge/web/calculate-mini... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products > The Java Glossaryhttp://mindprod.com Just want to know if there is a solution.Thanks. > Just want to know if there is a solution.Thanks. Sure ... So you don't have to do your own homework? This is a discussion group, not a helpdesk. You didn't manage to motivate people here to look into your artificial problem, and demanding a solution will not help. Trying to deter people to a vanity group didn't help you either. .. >> >http://groups.google.com/group/java-code-challenge/web/calculate-mini... ... >Just want to know if there is a solution.Thanks. I just want a pony. But I would not come here looking for it, this is a Java discussion forum. A Java discussion forum is probably also the wrong place to come if you require spoon-fed answers, as your posts seem to suggest. For that, see a help-desk or consultant. If on the other hand, you want to begin to *discuss* the problem (perhaps by stating your idea of the answer, as well as your reasoning and any code that supports the reasoning, then ask others to *discuss* your conclusions and reasoning) that might* be more effective at kicking this thread off to a good start. * 'Might' being the operative word. There are no guarantees on usenet, and people do not usually discuss threads that started on other groups. And that brings me to.. Do you really think the creator of that forum would want *you* to be talking about that problem here? I have no real care about their group, but at just 2** members, it seems it hardly needs one of the two members ducking off to other groups for answers. ** It currently shows '3' because I joined it, about to chew out the creator for promoting his group on usenet, but since you (apparently) did *not* create that group, I decided to leave that poor sucker be. SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ >>> http://groups.google.com/group/java-code-challenge/web/calculate-mini... >> >> And why do you want us to work on it? > > Just want to know if there is a solution. Yes, there is a solution. Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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