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SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? There must be a better one which can be created.  SignatureWojtek :-) > SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example > > God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? "Ess Ess See See Ee" SignatureLew Wojtek wrote : > SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example > > God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? > > There must be a better one which can be created. AKA (Results 61 - 90 of about 10,700 English pages for SSCCE): superficial squamous cell carcinoma of the esophagus Sufficient Statistics Calculator for MMSE channel estimation Southern Sudan Commission for Census, Statistics and Evaluation Who knew? SignatureWojtek :-) Wojtek wrote : > There must be a better one which can be created. "a term coined by Andrew Thompson" Um, sorry Andrew :-) SignatureWojtek :-) > SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example > > God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? It's better then "WWW" (a 9-syllable "abbreviation" for a three-syllable phrase.) Mike Schilling wrote: > It's better then "WWW" (a 9-syllable "abbreviation" for a three-syllable > phrase.) I pronounce "world" with two syllables, or perhaps one and a half. SignatureLew Mike Schilling schreef: >> SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example >> >> God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? > > It's better then "WWW" (a 9-syllable "abbreviation" for a three-syllable > phrase.) That’s only if you speak English (or a language which actually needs to words to refer to the letter ‘w’). For me it’s ‘waywayway’ (IPA wewewe), or ‘vayvayvay’ (veveve) if I talk to Germans... H. SignatureHendrik Maryns http://tcl.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de/~hendrik/ ================== http://aouw.org Ask smart questions, get good answers: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >> It's better then "WWW" (a 9-syllable "abbreviation" for a three-syllable >> phrase.) > That's only if you speak English (or a language which actually needs to > words to refer to the letter 'w'). For me it's 'waywayway' (IPA > wewewe), or 'vayvayvay' (veveve) if I talk to Germans... ... who, btw, are happy that no widespread use for "yyy" has yet come up. (* upsilonupsilonupsilon *) Andreas Leitgeb schreef: >>> It's better then "WWW" (a 9-syllable "abbreviation" for a three-syllable >>> phrase.) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ... who, btw, are happy that no widespread use for "yyy" has yet come up. > (* upsilonupsilonupsilon *) ACK. Although sloppily, the Dutch often say ij (sort of I, IPA ɛ:) for y, but actually, that is another letter/digraph. H. SignatureHendrik Maryns http://tcl.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de/~hendrik/ ================== http://aouw.org Ask smart questions, get good answers: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >... who, btw, are happy that no widespread use for "yyy" has yet come up. >(* upsilonupsilonupsilon *) the Esperanto people use ttt instead of www, pronounced tayo tayo tayo. I write websites that insist on the www. I am so in the habit of leaving it off I tend to presume the site is down if the name without www does not work. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >> SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example >> >> God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? (fx:piggyback-one-section) Ess Ess Sea Sea E. (Acroynms don't need to be words.) > It's better then "WWW" (a 9-syllable "abbreviation" for a three-syllable > phrase.) "Wuh Wuh Wuh" is three syllables. SignatureChris "wuh not uu" Dollin Hewlett-Packard Limited registered no: registered office: Cain Road, Bracknell, Berks RG12 1HN 690597 England >>> SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > (Acroynms don't need to be words.) I pronounce it "example". The rest of the full name is about what constitutes a good example for trouble-shooting purposes. It needs to be said, because some of the people who need to produce one do not seem to have much trouble-shooting skill or experience. It does not need to be thought, every time examples are requested or discussed. >> It's better then "WWW" (a 9-syllable "abbreviation" for a three-syllable >> phrase.) > > "Wuh Wuh Wuh" is three syllables. I always assumed "www" in URL's was primarily a typed, not spoken, abbreviation and is 3 keystrokes abbreviating 14. Patricia "Wojtek" <nowhere@a.com> wrote in message >>>> SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example >>>> >>>> God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? > I pronounce it "example". That is brilliant and empowering. Mike Schilling said: >>> It's better then "WWW" (a 9-syllable "abbreviation" for a >>> three-syllable phrase.) > I always assumed "www" in URL's was primarily a typed, not spoken, > abbreviation and is 3 keystrokes abbreviating 14. I've heard Americans say, "DubDubDub". "www" isn't an abbreviation - it's a component of a host name. Not every web site uses it. One does not normally speak of viewing something "on the WWW", they say, "on the World Wide Web". There are no keystrokes saved because there aren't any "worldwideweb.seconddomain.com" sites. (Hmm, twelve characters, not fourteen.) One might argue that they are 2 keystrokes wasted, since a site could just as easily call itself "w.seconddomain.com". SignatureLew > "www" isn't an abbreviation - it's a component of a host name. Not > every web site uses it. One does not normally speak of viewing > something "on the WWW", they say, "on the World Wide Web". Most people would say "on the internet" or "on the intarwebs" or even just "online". SignatureBeware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth > "Wojtek" <nowhere@a.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > fourteen.) One might argue that they are 2 keystrokes wasted, since a > site could just as easily call itself "w.seconddomain.com". I hate run together words with no separation, so I would type world_wide_web or, gritting my teeth, worldWideWeb, which requires two hits on the shift key. Patricia Lew wrote: >> "www" isn't an abbreviation - it's a component of a host name. Not >> every web site uses it. One does not normally speak of viewing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> fourteen.) One might argue that they are 2 keystrokes wasted, since a >> site could just as easily call itself "w.seconddomain.com". > I hate run together words with no separation, so I would type > world_wide_web or, gritting my teeth, worldWideWeb, which requires two > hits on the shift key. I don't know of any sites with those host names, either. It is unheard-of to find World Wide Web nodes with blanks in the host name. The case thing doesn't matter to URLs. Underscores also require a shift on most keyboards, but one could use hyphens, as many sites do. We are, however, stuck with whatever node names the hosting sites choose, and for some reason they've mostly chosen www. It isn't an abbreviation, since these sites don't also exist by any putative "expansion" of "www". SignatureLew >>> It's better then "WWW" (a 9-syllable "abbreviation" for a >>> three-syllable phrase.) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I always assumed "www" in URL's was primarily a typed, not spoken, > abbreviation and is 3 keystrokes abbreviating 14. I suppose some ISPs use "mail.whatever.com" and some use "smtp.whatever.com" for their e-mail sevice to their subscribers. So there isn't a clear preference. I just wish Tim Berners-Lee had decided on "web" as a prefix for the domain names of servers providing a hypertext service. E.g. web.whatever.com. That way it would have been as easily spoken as typed. Mike Schilling wrote: >> SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example >> >> God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? > > It's better then "WWW" (a 9-syllable "abbreviation" for a three-syllable > phrase.) I generally pronounce it *breath* "dub-u,dub-u,dub-u" (breath because it's normally followed by "dot {something} dot com slash {blah}"). SignatureBeware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth > SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example > > God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? initialism v acronym Short SC CE SSCCE makes pretty good visual, less audible. Consider the usual medium. > There must be a better one which can be created. On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:48:22 -0400, "Jeff Higgins" <oohiggins@yahoo.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >> God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? see http://mindprod.com/sound/sscce.mp3 SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example I suggest: »compilet«. (akin to »applet« and »complete and compilable«, where the diminutive »-let« hints at the shortness.) >>SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example > > I suggest: »compilet«. > > (akin to »applet« and »complete and compilable«, > where the diminutive »-let« hints at the shortness.) completelet? nah. >> SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example > > I suggest: »compilet«. > > (akin to »applet« and »complete and compilable«, > where the diminutive »-let« hints at the shortness.) I think "Compilable" and related words are redundant. If the problem happens at run time, a "Short, Self-Contained Example" would necessarily compile, or it would not be an example of the problem. If the problem happens at compile time, the example must NOT be compilable. Patricia >>I suggest: »compilet«. >If the problem happens at run time, a "Short, Self-Contained >Example" would necessarily compile, or it would not be an OK, »compile...« can still be a part of the descriptive phrase, in the sense of something like »a text intended to be fed into a Java implementation (usually a compiler)«. >>> SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable (interchangable with 'correct') >>> Example >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I think "Compilable" and related words are redundant. Mostly I would agree with you. This technique can be applied to HTML/JS just as easily, and there is no hint of compilation in any of that. And as you pointed out.. ... >If the problem happens at compile time, the example must NOT be compilable. ..I consider uncompilable code that fails to compile for me, just as it does for the OP, to be an SSC (correct) E. To those interested in this thread. I will consider adding any generally popular alternate term to the page, but I would *not* consider any word based on 'compile'. As to the abbreviation. Hey! *You* try coming up with an unique, easy to use group of letters that encapsulate the concept. I had already rejected many variants because they were too common and well used. And, no need for any apologies (as might have been scattered about, earlier in the thread). We all seem to want the same basic thing, it is just a matter of figuring the best way to communicate it. If others want to call it ..something else but also link to any of the pages* describing it, they are more than welcome to do so. * <http://www.physci.org/codes/sscce.html> <http://homepage1.nifty.com/algafield/sscce.html> <http://mindprod.com/jgloss/sscce.html> SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ Andrew Thompson wrote : > To those interested in this thread. I will consider > adding any generally popular alternate term to the > page, but I would *not* consider any word based on > 'compile'. Roedy, I think you need to edit your SSCCE page, as that is where I got the "Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example" from. SignatureWojtek :-) On 2007-08-28, Andrew Thompson blabbered on and on about Re: SSCCE in comp.lang.java.programmer w > are more than welcome to do so. > > * <http://www.physci.org/codes/sscce.html> ><http://homepage1.nifty.com/algafield/sscce.html> ><http://mindprod.com/jgloss/sscce.html> I think someone should make an entry in wikipedia for this. Any voluteers? I am an editor but would prefer that someone else do it, or at least write up what should be put there. SignatureWhat were you? A jock or a brain?" http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html "I was a ghost." PSK - RLU 452647 Warrick Brown and Gil Grissom (Bully for You) >On 2007-08-28, Andrew Thompson blabbered on and on about Re: SSCCE in comp.lang.java.programmer w >> are more than welcome to do so. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >voluteers? I am an editor but would prefer that someone else do it, or >at least write up what should be put there. Anybody that chooses to do so, is free to use whatever sections of the SSCCE document at my site as might well fit such an entry, up to including the entire text. (..just mentioned in case anybody should have any doubts about it.) SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ >SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example > >God what an acronym. How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? Since this is a term used purely on newsgroups, I suppose you can pronounce it as you please to yourself. No one else will know. I am going to modify the entry in the Java glossary to suggest SSK_KEE, like ski with a long s, pronounced by someone with a stutter. Andrew, of course, as the terms coiner has the honour of announcing the definitive pronunciation. SignatureRoedy Green Canadian Mind Products The Java Glossary http://mindprod.com >>SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >of course, as the terms coiner has the honour of announcing the >definitive pronunciation. (shrugs - given the invite..) I definitiviely announce that people are welcome to say it exactly as they like. There is no *wrong* way to say it. (Though for the trivia side of it, I think of it as Lew outlined it, and ..very rarely have I needed to 'wrap my mouth around' that phrase!) SignatureAndrew Thompson http://www.athompson.info/andrew/ >>> SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example >>> >>> How do you pronounce that? see? ski? sksee? > (shrugs - given the invite..) > I definitiviely announce that people are welcome [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have I needed to 'wrap my mouth around' that > phrase!) The important thing is how you do it, not how you pronounce it. SignatureLew >>> SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to say it exactly as they like. There is no *wrong* > way to say it. So, "Throat Wobbler Mangrove" is okay? Great! :-D Signaturess at comp dot lancs dot ac dot uk | >>>>SSCCE : Short, Self Contained, Compilable Example >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > So, "Throat Wobbler Mangrove" is okay? Great! :-D That is cruel. From now on, I'm not going to be able to see "SSCCE" without thinking "Throat Wobbler Mangrove" and laughing at inappropriate times. 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