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javaj2ee.net@gmail.com - 23 Jun 2007 00:45 GMT
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<title> Complete Java Preparation</title>
<meta name="keywords" content="java, j2ee, Struts, Hibernate, Tibco"/>
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Hi Flocks

My name is Satesh. I am developing new informative site for the java
developers which is <a href="http://www.javaj2ee.net">Java J2EE</a>  I
have hosted prototype. I need some inputs to organize my site to make
that more helpful in the Java Programmers prospective. So please go
through my site once and send suggestions to javaj2ee.net@gmail.com

Thanks in Advance
Satesh Anumala.
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Andrew Thompson - 23 Jun 2007 01:37 GMT
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>My name is Satesh.

This is disappointing.  Just moments after warning you
not to become a multi-posting spammer on another
group, I see the post that confirms my fears.

For the technical reply, see the post on the 'other group'.

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Andrew Thompson
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stefanomnn - 23 Jun 2007 12:36 GMT
Wonderful organization!
i hope there will be a lot of material and contributors!
Lew - 23 Jun 2007 13:48 GMT
> Wonderful organization!
> i hope there will be a lot of material and contributors!

Do not go encouraging the multi-posting spammer.  I hope he gets a job as a
fast-food counter clerk.

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Lew

stefanomnn - 24 Jun 2007 16:16 GMT
> > Wonderful organization!
> > i hope there will be a lot of material and contributors!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> --
> Lew

Hi lew, sorry for my ignorance...
what's multi-posting spamming? it look me a post concerning java.. why
is it bad?
i ask just to understand!
RedGrittyBrick - 25 Jun 2007 12:12 GMT
>>> Wonderful organization! i hope there will be a lot of material
>>> and contributors!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Hi lew, sorry for my ignorance... what's multi-posting spamming?

I'm not Lew but here's my $0.02 worth:

multiposting is posting the same info in two or more *separate* messages
to separate newsgroups.

crossposting is posting *one* message to several newsgroups (usually by
listing several newsgroups as the destination of one message). This
makes life easier for people who read several newsgroups (since their
newsreader knows they've already read that message in another newsgroup
- they don't end up reading the same stuff many times over)

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html

Spamming often means unsolicited *commercial* messages, where the
poster's intent is to make a fast buck at someone else's expense.

So far as I can tell, the sole content of the site in question is
1) An image from Sun's website of J2EE v1.4 (old!) that links to Sun's
website.
2) A bunch of menus that lead to empty pages.
3) Google-ads to gather money.

> it look me a post concerning java.. why is it bad?

Every few days it seems someone starts up yet another Java web-site with
a web-forum and no original content. There must be hundreds of them, who
needs another?

> i ask just to understand!

It seems rather easy to register a domain, create a web-forum, sit back
and wait for the google-ads revenue to pour in. Too easy maybe.
javaj2ee.net@gmail.com - 26 Jun 2007 03:40 GMT
On Jun 25, 7:12 am, RedGrittyBrick <redgrittybr...@spamweary.foo>
wrote:

> >>> Wonderful organization! i hope there will be a lot of material
> >>> and contributors!
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> It seems rather easy to register a domain, create a web-forum, sit back
> and wait for the google-ads revenue to pour in. Too easy maybe.

Hi Guys

Im looking for suggestions. Iam not spamming any thing. Any way sorry
for the trouble.
Roedy Green - 29 Jun 2007 14:40 GMT
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:40:30 -0700, "javaj2ee.net@gmail.com"
<javaj2ee.net@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
who said :

>Im looking for suggestions. Iam not spamming any thing. Any way sorry
>for the trouble.

When you send the same message more than once, that is a form of spam.
You should send to only one newsgroup, or if you must to several BUT
IN A SINGLE MESSAGE.

See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/multiposting.html
http://mindprod.com/jgloss/crossposting.html

--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary
http://mindprod.com
Andrew Thompson - 26 Jun 2007 11:02 GMT
...
>It seems rather easy to register a domain, ..

Sure is.  Cheap too!  I have (..counts) 4.

>..create a web-forum,

On most servers nowadays, there is usually a button in
the site admin that offers all sorts of crap like that.

Just click it and it can be installed.

>..sit back
>and wait for the google-ads revenue to pour in. Too easy maybe.

LOL!  I had Google ads running on the PhySci
site, to get my pages indexed fast.  I was also
interested to see what ads Google would choose
for my pages (they offer that you can screen any
ads you find inappropriate to your site - but I found
it more interesting to see what Google came up with).

My PhySci pages at that stage were running in the
10's of thousands of page hits per month.

When I finally got a check from Google, it ended
up paying for about one fifth of the yearly server
cost.

At the moment my pages don't have any ads,
and they will probably stay that way.

( But gee it is handy to know your pages will be
indexed by a 'major search engine' within a couple
of seconds of the first hit! ;)

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Roedy Green - 29 Jun 2007 14:41 GMT
>( But gee it is handy to know your pages will be
>indexed by a 'major search engine' within a couple
>of seconds of the first hit! ;)

Maybe he means software than runs on his server to index the site.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary
http://mindprod.com
Roedy Green - 29 Jun 2007 14:39 GMT
>Do not go encouraging the multi-posting spammer.  I hope he gets a job as a
>fast-food counter clerk.

Check out the website.  Don't be so harsh.  He has a fair bit of
content there, much more than is typical for startups.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary
http://mindprod.com
RedGrittyBrick - 29 Jun 2007 17:42 GMT
>>Do not go encouraging the multi-posting spammer.  I hope he gets a job as a
>>fast-food counter clerk.
>
> Check out the website.  Don't be so harsh.  He has a fair bit of
> content there,

The OP has maybe half an A4 page for eight of the twelve main headings
(which I missed on first look) and nothing for any of the hundred or so
subheadings (though I've not clicked them all).

How much content did you have on *your* website before you felt it was
worth mentioning here? :-)

> much more than is typical for startups.

I strongly disagree with "much" but I take your underlying point about
being harsh.

Here is a definition from that site:

  "Ploymorphism is a bottom-up method call.
  Simply we can say " behaving differently at different places ".

I've nothing against such sites but this one has many dead links, some
stale info (Java 1.4!) and what few articles exist are not very
enlightening (if the above example is anything to go by).

I'd encourage the OP to either
1. spend his effort improving Wikipedia instead.
or
2. Prune all the dead links (placeholders) until he has some decent
content. Update the links from 1.4 to 1.6. Try to improve and develop
the existing articles. Don't spamvertise the site here but if someone
asks a question here which is answered on your site, only then reply
with a link to the directly relevant article - and only if the article
is *really* relevant.

Of course, since this is the Internet, the OP is free to ignore my
suggestions :-)
Twisted - 29 Jun 2007 22:05 GMT
On Jun 29, 12:42 pm, RedGrittyBrick <redgrittybr...@spamweary.foo>
wrote:
> I'd encourage the OP to either
> 1. spend his effort improving Wikipedia instead.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> with a link to the directly relevant article - and only if the article
> is *really* relevant.

My preference is for option number 1. But that's just me.
Roedy Green - 29 Jun 2007 22:23 GMT
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:42:08 +0100, RedGrittyBrick
<redgrittybrick@spamweary.foo> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>How much content did you have on *your* website before you felt it was
>worth mentioning here? :-)

It was so long ago I don't recall.  But I DO recall that people were
extremely negative and tried to convince me to shut the website down.
They did not like it that I expressed strong personal opinions on
things from Java to politics.  Most people would have given up after
being slapped in the face after trying to be helpful.

You create something.  You see it how it COULD be.  You are excited
and eager to show off what you are doing, hoping others will be as
excited as you, and will help constructively shape it.

It is natural to show off before it is impressive.

Even to this day I get frequent death threats over my website (not the
Java part though).

--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary
http://mindprod.com
Lew - 29 Jun 2007 23:40 GMT
> Even to this day I get frequent death threats over my website (not the
> Java part though).

Your website is actually impressive, especially the non-Java parts.  May you
live long and prosper.

May those who wish you harm receive triple their curse on their head for their
effrontery and evil.

So mote be it.

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Lew

Roedy Green - 30 Jun 2007 00:15 GMT
>My name is Satesh. I am developing new informative site for the java
>developers which is <a href="http://www.javaj2ee.net">Java J2EE</a>  I
>have hosted prototype. I need some inputs to organize my site to make
>that more helpful in the Java Programmers prospective. So please go
>through my site once and send suggestions to javaj2ee.net@gmail.com

It must have been disheartening to have people dash cold water on your
baby.  Here is an idea to get a better reception.

The problem is you have so many stubs that have nothing behind them.
Your visitors get angry opening stub after stub to find nothing there.
SO: I would suggest either of these two approaches:

1. display empty stubs in grey font to suggest disabled, coming soon
if all goes well.

2. temporarily remove all empty stubs, and move them to a page called
FUTURE site map for people who are curious about where you hope to go.

I use icons of various sorts to let people know what to expect if they
open that entry, e.g. program listings, a big essay. You might use
that approach too to warn people of minimal stubs with barely anything
there.

You want people to find your best material quickly.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary
http://mindprod.com
javaj2ee.net@gmail.com - 30 Jun 2007 00:58 GMT
On Jun 29, 7:15 pm, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid>
wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:45:41 -0000, javaj2ee....@gmail.com wrote,
> quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
> The Java Glossaryhttp://mindprod.com

Hi All
First of all thanks for the suggestions, specially to Mindprod. I have
a fair idea to make my site more effective, it will take at least one
year for me to make that Done. But as a Internet fan I just wanted to
get opinion from the floks.
I got very bad opinion initially. But For all information

I am not doing this site for spamming.

As a java developer I have fair Idea how Developers will look around
google to get solutions to their problems.

Because of that little thought regarding "time factor while
development -- internet savvy" and specially considering java
developers I have started this http://www.javaj2ee.net.

I dont post any thing regarding my site in feature. I have started my
own forum which is http://www.javaj2ee.net/phpbb -- where I have
categorized some points like java,j2ee, mq-series,  tibco, java build
tools etc. If any body interested please come and join. I need some
people who can moderate my forum topics.

Regards
Satesh Anumala
Admin, http://www.javaj2ee.net
mail: satesh.anumala@javaj2ee.net
Andrew Thompson - 30 Jun 2007 07:55 GMT
...
>As a java developer I have fair Idea how Developers will look around
>google to get solutions to their problems.

*This* is a good place to look.  The usenet newsgroup
comp.lang.java.programmer has lots of discussions on
most topics related to Java development and deployment.
To sort posts by date, provides the latest information.

That it didn't occur to you to mention looking here,
indicates your level of experience/skill at data mining
is low.  Why should anyone care what your advice is?

>Because of that little thought regarding "time factor while
>development -- internet savvy" and specially considering java
>developers I have started this http://www.javaj2ee.net.

So if you have any artticle on your site that directly
relates to an ongoing discusssion on this forum,
please feel free to drop a link.  Roedy (who made
the mindprod site), as well as myself (and others)
do that.  

Links to your own site that represent answers
to questions or discussions are quite welcome
around here (usually).  Of course, someone
might vehemently disagree with the information
at the end of the link - and discuss the page
in the group, in very derogatary (bad) terms.

>I dont post any thing regarding my site in feature.

What does that mean?  You don't give details?

>...I have started my
>own forum which is http://www.javaj2ee.net/phpbb 

We already have one (heirarchy of usenet newsgroups
devoted to Java) - thanks.

>...-- where I have
>categorized some points like java,j2ee, mq-series,  tibco, java build
>tools etc. If any body interested please come and join. I need some
>people who can moderate my forum topics.

Do you need people to come to *your* forums, to
promote the benefits of posting right *here* on usenet?
Do you even *welcome* such people at your forums?
Because we sure don't need people *here*, promoting
their own little mickey mouse forums.

And that is the point of why I consider you, in contrast to
your own perspective to be a *spammer*.
You are here to contribute nothing to /this/ discusssion
group beyond driving traffic to /your/ own site and forums.

If what you were actually after was advice on the
design, look and usability of the web pages, you
have come to the wrong place - try
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html.
Those folks are generally happy to sort the cruft
from a web site or web design.

On the subject of the *Java* *content* - you are
welcome to post specific links to your site as
answers to ongoing discussions.

Otherwise, feel free to p*ss off - spammer.

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