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Java Forum / General / April 2007Why does it worth sun to give java sdk away for free?
Why does it worth sun to give java sdk away for free? Is there any catch? If I'm developing commercial java applications, do I have to pay a royalty? (As far as I know, not, but I'd like to be sure of that. ) On Mar 28, 12:03 pm, "levili...@gmail.com" <levili...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why does it worth sun to give java sdk away for free? Is there any > catch? If I'm developing commercial java applications, do I have to > pay a royalty? (As far as I know, not, but I'd like to be sure of > that. ) There is no royalty involved, AFAIK. I believe sun makes most Java related money by selling high end servers. There was a post here a while ago about this... <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/browse_frm/ thread/23d3585db0deb2d3/8b15612af337f75c?lnk=st&q=sun+money+java +&rnum=1#8b15612af337f75c> This might help answer your question. Could you quote the proper parts of the license agreement? I read it (though a bit superficially), but I didn't find those parts you're referencing. Daniel Pitts ?rta: > On Mar 28, 12:03 pm, "levili...@gmail.com" <levili...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > This might help answer your question. On Mar 29, 9:39 am, "levili...@gmail.com" <levili...@gmail.com> wrote: > Daniel Pitts írta: > > On Mar 28, 12:03 pm, "levili...@gmail.com" <levili...@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > (though a bit superficially), but I didn't find those parts you're > referencing. First, don't top post please. Second, I didn't reference the license agreement at all. I pointed you to a different thread on this group which was about the same question. I suggest reading the thread, and thoroughly reading the license agreement if you have any concerns. There are a large number of commercial applications written in Java. As far as I know, they aren't paying royalties to Sun, and the source code remains the intellectual property of the entity that produced it. > First, don't top post please. > Second, I didn't reference the license agreement at all. I pointed you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > paying royalties to Sun, and the source code remains the intellectual > property of the entity that produced it. Disclaimer: Legal advice obtained from Usenet is worth every penny you paid for it. While it's true that Sun has /never/ pulled anyone's rights to their Java code away, in fact they have started to make Java open source, any legal question to which you need a reliable answer is best referred to your legal team. I assess that major corporations like IBM and CareFirst, and government agencies like most of the U.S. Federal government would not use Java unless they felt secure in their ownership of the results. -- Lew > First, don't top post please. > Second, I didn't reference the license agreement at all. I pointed you > to a different thread on this group which was about the same question. I wanted to answer to Eric Sosman's post. > Why does it worth sun to give java sdk away for free? Is there any > catch? If I'm developing commercial java applications, do I have to > pay a royalty? (As far as I know, not, but I'd like to be sure of > that. ) It is a nefarious plot. If you use Sun's "free" JDK, you will discover too late that Sun owns all the rights to everything you develop with it, and to your first-born male child. I do not offer a free JDK: I charge money for it. But I don't attach weird conditions to the bargain; once you pay me the money, you get the JDK to use as you please, no strings attached. You get to keep what you develop with the JDK you purchase from me, and you get to keep your first-born male child. A perfectly wholesome and above-board commercial transaction. The choice is yours: Spend no money at all and get Sun's JDK but give up all your rights to the products of your labor and your loins, or spend a perfectly reasonable fee and get a JDK free and clear of all encumbrances. How much is the "reasonable fee?" Well, levlista, how much have you got? ;-)  SignatureEric Sosman esosman@acm-dot-org.invalid > levili...@gmail.com wrote: > > Why does it worth sun to give java sdk away for free? Is there any [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Eric Sosman > esos...@acm-dot-org.invalid Careful, someone might not recognize the satire. On Mar 29, 2:15 am, "Daniel Pitts" <googlegrou...@coloraura.com> wrote: > > levili...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Why does it worth sun to give java sdk away for free? Is there any [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Careful, someone might not recognize the satire. What satire??? pkriens schrieb: > On Mar 29, 2:15 am, "Daniel Pitts" <googlegrou...@coloraura.com> > wrote: >> >> Careful, someone might not recognize the satire. > > What satire??? They can have my soul but not the right on my code! >>Careful, someone might not recognize the satire. > > What satire??? It sarubber ring that goes on a wheel. >>> Careful, someone might not recognize the satire. >> >> What satire??? > > It sarubber ring that goes on a wheel. RedGrittyBrick, you are a caution! I nearly woke my wife up from her nap laughing at that. To pkriens - the satire in question was Eric Sosman's piece in this thread that began: > It is a nefarious plot. If you use Sun's "free" JDK, > you will discover too late that Sun owns all the rights to > everything you develop with it, and to your first-born male > child. You do realize that Sun does not engage in slavery, right? -- Lew > Why does it worth sun to give java sdk away for free? Is there any > catch? If I'm developing commercial java applications, do I have to > pay a royalty? (As far as I know, not, but I'd like to be sure of > that. ) Sun is a minority vendor. People who write their Windows software in Java can switch to Sun systems with relatively little effort. It's for the same reason that Sun sponsors OpenOffice.org. SignatureJohn W. Kennedy "Give up vows and dogmas, and fixed things, and you may grow like That. ...you may come to think a blow bad, because it hurts, and not because it humiliates. You may come to think murder wrong, because it is violent, and not because it is unjust." -- G. K. Chesterton. "The Ball and the Cross" * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org I just asked, because Richard Stallman wrote something about the java trap years ago. But it might not be actual, because as far as I know Java became opensource last year. John W. Kennedy ?rta: > > Why does it worth sun to give java sdk away for free? Is there any > > catch? If I'm developing commercial java applications, do I have to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- G. K. Chesterton. "The Ball and the Cross" > * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org > I just asked, because Richard Stallman wrote something about the java [sic] > trap years ago. But it might not be actual, because as far as I know > Java became opensource last year. Please do not top-post. Richard Stallman is a fanatic with an axe to grind. Just because he said there was a "trap" doesn't mean that there ever was one. Always exercise critical thinking. Windows isn't open source and people are still using it just fine. I wouldn't fear being fired for choosing Windows either. "Open source" doesn't have to equal "perfect" and "closed source" doesn't have to equal "demonic spawn of the minions of Hades designed to corrupt the world, impregnate our teenagers, destroy the environment and the economy, and give you hemorrhoids". SignatureLew >Richard Stallman is a fanatic with an axe to grind. Just because he said >there was a "trap" doesn't mean that there ever was one. Always exercise >critical thinking. Stallman would be speaking from the standpoint of the F/OSS community, and from this point of view the trap was very real. It's not a trap that is unique to Java, of course, it's equally real for _any_ product you create that depends upon proprietary (non-free) tools for future maintenance and development. (So you could speak of the MS Word trap for writing free documentation etc.) (The word "free" here being used in the GNU sense of free.) Cheers Bent D SignatureBent Dalager - bcd@pvv.org - http://www.pvv.org/~bcd powered by emacs > I just asked, because Richard Stallman wrote something about the java > trap years ago. But it might not be actual, because as far as I know > Java became opensource last year. Stallman has revised his essay to say that Java is no longer a trap, having been open sourced. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html <quote> As of December 2006, Sun is in the middle of rereleasing its Java platform under the GNU GPL. When this license change is completed, we expect that Java will be no longer be a trap. </quote> - Oliver Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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