..
> > Many thanks for the excellent explanation.
>
> As Andrew Thompson would probably say: Future lack of full-quoting will
> be thanks enough ;)
> > samuel.chea...@gmail.com wrote:
> ..
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> No I have not been saying that,
> but I've sure been thinking it.
...
> value of 'in-line with trim
> (but retaining the attributions)'
> posting.
..
> ... (+ it does not
> quite 'roll off the tongue' like
> 'top-post/bottom-post'!)
>
> Any suggestions welcome,
Your verion of the statement works well
in the right situation, whereas a simple
"Please refrain from full-quoting"
is enough for others - I can get into
that tongue twister of the best way to
post, if they should ask.
Consider it something I *will* be
suggesting in future.
( Well Duhh.. it only occured to my
after I made that second post. )
Andrew T.
...
> to help people understand the
> value of 'in-line with trim
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> sure don't seem to soak these things up,
> just by seeing them repeatedly.
In German there's a an expression "den roten Faden verlieren" (to lose
the red thread). Google lead me to an article published by
seattleweekly.com that told me that in English it means "losing one's
train of thought".
I think it's all about two things:
a) capture information while
b) not to lose the train of thought.
Position is just a kind of information. If I resign it, there are two
possibilities: Either I provide it in another way, usually by using
words or I don't provide the information at all. In any case: the reader
gets sidetracked and loses his train of thought.
The same applies to unnecessary full-quotes: the reader has to read lots
of text and could not concentrate on capturing the important things.
Another idea:
If Google would stop to show the relevant sections of the matching
pages, would Google then be as valuable as it is right now?
And if Google would show the whole text (and not just the relevant parts
of it), would you use it?
Bye
Michael
Stefan Ram - 12 Feb 2007 23:33 GMT
>In German there's a an expression "den roten Faden verlieren" (to lose
>the red thread). Google lead me to an article published by
>seattleweekly.com that told me that in English it means "losing one's
>train of thought".
In English, when you want to make someone to »den roten Faden
verlieren«, you offer him a »red herring« instead, which in
German would be an »Ablenkungsmanöver«.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html
>> As Andrew Thompson would probably say: Future lack of full-quoting will
>> be thanks enough ;)
>
> No I have not been saying that,
Michael didn't actually say you had, only that you probably would...
> but I've sure been thinking it.
>
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> quite 'roll off the tongue' like
> 'top-post/bottom-post'!)
I'm sure that one generally leads to (or is a direct result of) the other.
Top-posting and not trimming are related, probably due to Outlook and its
default action of placing the cursor at the top of the text when replying. This
naturally leads the respondent to enter their reply at the top, and then just
hit the send button. No need to worry about all that bothersome text which is
now below their response (out of sight, and out of mind).
> Any suggestions welcome, since people
> sure don't seem to soak these things up,
> just by seeing them repeatedly.
A very large, remotely operated, clue-stick would be ideal...
Could it be driven by a servlet?

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Andrew Thompson - 13 Feb 2007 11:08 GMT
> >> As Andrew Thompson would probably say: Future lack of full-quoting will
> >> be thanks enough ;)
> > Unfortunately, with such a torrent of
> > t-p's, I never manage to get round to
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> I'm sure that one generally leads to (or is a direct result of) the other.
> Top-posting and not trimming are related,
That is not my perception. Some people
will bottom post and trim, but there are
a swathe of people who do not really
understand *why* it makes sense to trim,
and simply believe that 'bottom-post'
will not get them shouted at - and that
is as far as they think about it.
> now below their response (out of sight, and out of mind).
Some web-interfaces to usenet (notably GG)
offer to 'show quoted text', automatically
hiding earlier text. When the user goes to
reply, the entire text is whown in the reply
area, but I suspect many people simply hold
the 'page down' key till at 'the end', before
typing.
> > Any suggestions welcome, since people
> > sure don't seem to soak these things up,
> > just by seeing them repeatedly.
>
> A very large,
..I'm thinking a cluster of servers,
with load balancing, to handle the
traffic.
>..remotely operated, clue-stick would be ideal...
> Could it be driven by a servlet?
Oh I wish..* ;-)
* Well, OK, if I had just *one* wish, I
would not be spending it on clueful usenet
posters, but maybe by the 8th or 9th wish..
Andrew T.