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Do you know of java-based, in-memory databases other than HSQLDB and H2?

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lbrtchx@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2006 00:30 GMT
I need to know of any other active development in this area
.
Thanks
lbrtchx
Daniel Pitts - 17 Nov 2006 00:34 GMT
lbrt...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I need to know of any other active development in this area
> .
>  Thanks
>  lbrtchx

A quick google of "java memory database" revealse
http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/dbservers.html.
which lists a few.  Try google for more info.
Thomas Kellerer - 17 Nov 2006 07:24 GMT
Apache Derby:

http://db.apache.org/derby

>  I need to know of any other active development in this area
> .
>  Thanks
>  lbrtchx

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hiwa - 17 Nov 2006 09:06 GMT
> I need to know of any other active development in this area
> .
>  Thanks
>  lbrtchx
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lbrtchx@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2006 09:43 GMT
> A quick google of "java memory database" revealse
> http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/dbservers.html.
> which lists a few.
.
I wonder what are the few DBs listed as "java memory database",
because I had checked this link already and only gave me the ones I
know about already.
.
> Try google for more info.
Hmm! Google, ... how interesting!
.
> http://db.apache.org/derby
Does derby suport in-memory mode? Since when?
.
// __ http://db.apache.org/derby/faq.html#in_memory
4.8. Does Derby have a mode that causes it to run entirely in memory?
No, Derby does not support an in-memory mode, but a feature request has
been logged in JIRA as DERBY-646. When this FAQ entry was written
derby-dev@db.apache.org list activity indicated that some work had been
done but that the feature is not actively being worked on. Check that
mail list for current status.
.
lbrtchx
Narahari - 17 Nov 2006 09:52 GMT
when derby is started  in its embedded mode, it runs in the same JVM as
the program calling it. I belive this is some kind of in memory
usage... also there is a small demo on the derby site which shows how
to use the DB within a web browser session...

~harry

lbrt...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > A quick google of "java memory database" revealse
> > http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com/dbservers.html.
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> .
>  lbrtchx
lbrtchx@hotmail.com - 17 Nov 2006 12:40 GMT
> when derby is started  in its embedded mode, it runs in the same JVM as
> the program calling it.
So?
.
>  I belive this is some kind of in memory
> usage...
"some kind of in memory usage" will all applications have, but they
don't run -totally- in-memory
.

> also there is a small demo on the derby site which shows how
> to use the DB within a web browser session...
?
.
lbrthcx
Lee Fesperman - 20 Nov 2006 07:38 GMT
>  I need to know of any other active development in this area

Take a look a FirstSQL/J (see my sig); it provides both in-memory and disk mode and is
pure Java.

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lbrtchx@hotmail.com - 22 Nov 2006 04:32 GMT
> >  I need to know of any other active development in this area
>
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> --
> Lee Fesperman, FFE Software, Inc. (http://www.firstsql.com)
.
I hadn't seen a site without a search box for a long time ;-)
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As we know, we tech monkeys tend to have very little time. Could you
send me a link to th documentation on the in-mem usage in firstsql?
.
The FAQ wasn't helpful.
.
lbrtchx
Lee Fesperman - 22 Nov 2006 08:51 GMT
>  As we know, we tech monkeys tend to have very little time. Could you
> send me a link to th documentation on the in-mem usage in firstsql?

The best online description I could find is at http://www.firstsql.com/fsjbeta2.shtml.
Even better, you could take the free download of the product at
http://www.firstsql.com/download.shtml and read the regular docs on in-memory support.

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lbrtchx@hotmail.com - 22 Nov 2006 22:45 GMT
based on this very link, FirstSQL/J does not appear to be working
-totally- in-memory, as it is needed in a set up that could not even
have a hard drive
.
FirstSQL/J In-memory Mode
...
Except for increased performance with In-memory mode, the only
difference you will notice is the optional "mode=" startup option and
the creation of the log files and persistent .tab and .ndx files in the
Server/db directory when starting and stopping the database in memory.
.
Processing is as follows:
...
- Any changes to tables (in memory) are logged in a roll forward
journal and written to disk.
- With a controlled shutdown, the engine rewrites all changed tables &
indexes from memory back to disk in FirstSQL/J file format.
...
.
FirstSQL/J is the only commercially available 100% Java IMDB and, as
the first and most sophisticated 100% Java IMDB on the market, it can
be positioned as the leader now and for years to come.
.
I am planning to do some testing of java DBMSs (in-memory and
disk-base ones) and so far I think I will pick H2, HSQLDB, Derby, (very
probably FirstSQL/J,) PostgreSQL and Firebird
.
I hope more DBMS developers would see the benefit of in-mem modes
.
lbrtchx
Lee Fesperman - 23 Nov 2006 09:33 GMT
>  based on this very link, FirstSQL/J does not appear to be working
> -totally- in-memory, as it is needed in a set up that could not even
> have a hard drive

That is provided by Flash Mode. The link I gave doesn't provide detail on that mode (I
couldn't tell what you were looking for; the regular docs cover it better.) Flash Mode
is *totally* in-memory, no disk at all. For example, we've run the ORDBMS in Flash Mode
in a unsigned applet (no disk access.)

>  I hope more DBMS developers would see the benefit of in-mem modes
> .

The cost of memory continues to drop, and the standard amount of memory on systems
continue to rise, even on mobile devices. 64-bit systems are becoming more prevalent. We
see in-memory databases as a growth area. And, then there are the significant
performance benefits...

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