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Java Forum / General / September 2006Java, PHP and dotNet
Hello, there are currenly a lot of technologies existing do build Web applications, e.g. PHP, Java, DotNet, Ruby (on Rails), Python etc. If I look on the other hand to the web space providing companies I see most of them supporting only PHP and MySQL. If I want to go to a Java Application server, for example Tomcat, it is not so easy to find and I have to pay at lot more. So my basic conclusions are: - PHP is superior for most web applications. - The rest of the technologies described before are to be used either by: big companies with their own servers and/or a lot of money intranets doing some playing/experimenting at home Please comment. Ronny > - PHP is superior for most web applications. Well, it's simpler at least. Add many of the mature web technologies for the other two (like JSF, ASP.Net), and they will beat PHP for anything other than toy projects - so I think you have their roles reversed. :) > Hello, > there are currenly a lot of technologies existing do build Web [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Please comment. (1) It does not logically follow that something cheap and abundant is nescessarily superior than something expensive and rare. (2) PHP is IMHO a forked language: PHP5 is not backwards compatible with PHP4. Many hosting companies will provide PHP4 servers, but few provide PHP5 servers. (3) "Most web applications" and "doing some playing/experimenting at home" probably has significant overlap. - Oliver > there are currenly a lot of technologies existing do build Web > applications, e.g. PHP, Java, DotNet, Ruby (on Rails), Python etc. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > intranets > doing some playing/experimenting at home Java and ASP.NET have a rather steep learning curve and are mostly geared towards IT professionals. PHP and ASP are easier for non programmers. This makes the market for PHP much bigger than the market for JSP. And most web hotels goes after the big market. Furthermore PHP has a lot good free ready to run apps which also adds to its popularity. So your first dash is not true unless you define superior=easy. Your second dash is more or less true. Arne > Hello, > there are currenly a lot of technologies existing do build Web [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So my basic conclusions are: > - PHP is superior for most web applications. > Please comment. For most development projects, the cost of writing and maintaining the code overwhelms the cost of running code. Therefore the best language for a development project is almost always the language that allows the solution to be written with the least code. kevin cline wrote: > For most development projects, the cost of writing and maintaining the > code overwhelms the cost of running code. Therefore the best language > for a development project is almost always the language that allows the > solution to be written with the least code. Most important: easy to maintain. Easy to maintain does not always mean the least code. Arne > Hello, > there are currenly a lot of technologies existing do build Web [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Application server, for example Tomcat, it is not so easy to find and I > have to pay at lot more. Not necessarily true, you just have to look harder... > So my basic conclusions are: > - PHP is superior for most web applications. I love PHP, but this is not necessarily true. It's just more popular, and in many cases easier to work with. Have you googled "java hosting" ?  SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. Some nice posting I found when browsing. Please have a look: http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/java-hosting-is-kicking-my-ass/ Some nice posting I found when browsing. Please have a look: http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/java-hosting-is-kicking-my-ass/ > So my basic conclusions are: > - PHP is superior for most web applications. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Please comment. Could you please move your language advocacy to an advocacy group? SignatureThe comp.lang.java.gui FAQ: ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl/pub/NEWS.ANSWERS/computer-lang/java/gui/faq http://www.uni-giessen.de/faq/archiv/computer-lang.java.gui.faq/ >Hello, >there are currenly a lot of technologies existing do build Web [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > intranets > doing some playing/experimenting at home You have failed to tell us what you really want to do. If you are arguing that PHP and MySQL are the most popular, and therefore often the cheapest, web server hosting combination you already know you are right. However, if you want to include the cost of writing the application then you may like to examine ASP and JSP tools here <http://webdevelopment.profectus.com.au/ee_programming_webdevelopment.html>. If you visit then you will be going to a site where the _only_ cost on top of my standard Internet access fee is to register the domain name. The server happens to be Tomcat but I could change it to an ASP and/or J2EE server. 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