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Subversion GUI, maybe in java

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Berlin  Brown - 31 Aug 2006 19:43 GMT
Anybody know of a good subversion gui, I ask in a java forum because I
know you guys use svn.

Ideally, I cant install it using an installer; so something out of a
zip file.  Ideally, all I need is something that does the basic
commands and is more than the command-line client.

I am using JSVN 0.8, but I can't commit on windows to save my life.  So
that is out.

Anyone?
Gerbrand - 31 Aug 2006 20:50 GMT
Berlin Brown schreef:
> Anybody know of a good subversion gui, I ask in a java forum because I
> know you guys use svn.
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> I am using JSVN 0.8, but I can't commit on windows to save my life.  So
> that is out.

For Windows TortoiseSVN is great. See http://tortoisesvn.net
Berlin  Brown - 31 Aug 2006 21:33 GMT
"Ideally, I cant install it using an installer; so something out of a
zip file."

I can't install due to admin restrictions (that will never change).

> Berlin Brown schreef:
> > Anybody know of a good subversion gui, I ask in a java forum because I
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> For Windows TortoiseSVN is great. See http://tortoisesvn.net
Berlin  Brown - 31 Aug 2006 21:33 GMT
"Ideally, I cant install it using an installer; so something out of a
zip file."

I can't install due to admin restrictions (that will never change).

> Berlin Brown schreef:
> > Anybody know of a good subversion gui, I ask in a java forum because I
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> For Windows TortoiseSVN is great. See http://tortoisesvn.net
Karl Tauber - 31 Aug 2006 21:46 GMT
Try SmartSVN from http://www.syntevo.com/

It is pure Java ;)

Berlin Brown wrote:
> Anybody know of a good subversion gui, I ask in a java forum because I
> know you guys use svn.
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>
> Anyone?
america.captain@gmail.com - 01 Sep 2006 00:25 GMT
> Anybody know of a good subversion gui, I ask in a java forum because I
> know you guys use svn.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Anyone?

Get NetBeans 5.5 (you can download as a zip) and it has subversion
integration.
IchBin - 01 Sep 2006 03:10 GMT
>> Anybody know of a good subversion gui, I ask in a java forum because I
>> know you guys use svn.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Get NetBeans 5.5 (you can download as a zip) and it has subversion
> integration.

Same goes for Eclipse. There is a Subclipse plugin for Subversion. You
can install through the update manager or just unzip unto Eclipse structure.

http://subclipse.tigris.org

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Berlin  Brown - 01 Sep 2006 04:48 GMT
Strange, with the version of wsad I was using Eclipse-2.x. it didnt
work.  I didnt feel like correcting it.

I like the SmartSVN, not bad.  Dont get wrong.  The command-line is
great for commits/adds just not that great for repo-browsing or see
revisions of a file.

> >> Anybody know of a good subversion gui, I ask in a java forum because I
> >> know you guys use svn.
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> 'If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"'
> -William E. Taylor,  Regular Guy (1952-)
IchBin - 01 Sep 2006 14:07 GMT
Berlin Brown wrote:
> Strange, with the version of wsad I was using Eclipse-2.x. it didnt
> work.  I didnt feel like correcting it.
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>> 'If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"'
>> -William E. Taylor,  Regular Guy (1952-)

Berlin, please learn how to post in a newsgroup thread. TOP POSTING
makes it hard to read, as you can tell by this thread! I would fix this
top post but I am to tired of people posting anyway they want! Well at
least it is not as bad as the PHP newsgroups.

As for Eclipse and Subclipse: Well, Eclipse 2.X is going back a year and
a half to two years ago. Both Eclipse and the Subclipse plugin have
matured greatly.

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IchBin - 01 Sep 2006 14:18 GMT
Berlin Brown wrote:
> Strange, with the version of wsad I was using Eclipse-2.x. it didnt
> work.  I didnt feel like correcting it.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>> 'If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"'
>> -William E. Taylor,  Regular Guy (1952-)

Berlin, please learn how to post in a newsgroup thread. TOP POSTING
makes it hard to read, as you can tell by this thread! I would fix this
top post but I am to tired of people posting anyway they want! Well at
least it is not as bad as the PHP newsgroups.

As for Eclipse and Subclipse: Well, Eclipse 2.X and WTO is going back a
year and a half to two years ago. Both Eclipse and the Subclipse plugin
have matured greatly.

You can always use RapidSVN or TortoiseSVN both from the developers at
tigris.org

http://subversion.tigris.org
http://rapidsvn.tigris.org
http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org

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Thomas Kellerer - 01 Sep 2006 14:25 GMT
> Berlin, please learn how to post in a newsgroup thread. TOP POSTING
> makes it hard to read, as you can tell by this thread!

And bottom posting without proper trimming the quotes makes it even
harder to read!

Thomas

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IchBin - 01 Sep 2006 15:31 GMT
>> Berlin, please learn how to post in a newsgroup thread. TOP POSTING
>> makes it hard to read, as you can tell by this thread!
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>
> Thomas

First time anyone mention it. What is or point me to the correct format...

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Thomas Kellerer - 01 Sep 2006 17:30 GMT
IchBin wrote on 01.09.2006 16:31:
>>> Berlin, please learn how to post in a newsgroup thread. TOP POSTING
>>> makes it hard to read, as you can tell by this thread!
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>>
> First time anyone mention it. What is or point me to the correct format...

If you repeat a lot of lines where the quote level is 2 or 3, the whole things
gets really confusing. In such cases I very much prefer top posting because I
don't have to scroll down 40,50 maybe even a hundred lines, just to see a single
line answer.

In modern times, where nearly everyone is using a threaded newsreader and can
read the postings sequentially, I believe it is much more efficient to either
top quote (I know it is froned upon) or only quote those parts that are relevant
for the answer.

Thomas
Chris Uppal - 01 Sep 2006 23:08 GMT
> In modern times, where nearly everyone is using a threaded newsreader and
> can read the postings sequentially, I believe it is much more efficient
> to either top quote (I know it is froned upon) or only quote those parts
> that are relevant for the answer.

You are assuming that people's newsreaders display the topmost text by default.
If the newsreader scrolls to the bottom by default, then top-posting is
particularly obnoxious.

Mind, I use a top-first newsreader and top-posting irritates me -- first I
scroll all the way to the bottom to find out what the idiot who can't be
bothered to trim has said, and then I realise that the bastard has written
whatever few lines of input he has to offer at the top instead...

Selective quoting is the /only/ technique which respects your audience's time,
convenience, and patience.

   -- chris
Andrew Thompson - 02 Sep 2006 08:47 GMT
> >> Berlin, please learn how to post in a newsgroup thread. TOP POSTING
> >> makes it hard to read, as you can tell by this thread!
> >
> > And bottom posting without proper trimming the quotes makes it even
> > harder to read!

Agreed.

> First time anyone mention it.

That does not surprise me.  Top-posting is much more common.

I regularly ask people not to top-post, but have not seen
enough 'bottom-posts' to justify bringing it up.

OTOH, when I ask people not to top-post, I try to
make sure I word it in a way that (hopefully)
communicates that the best is way it to put replies
'immediately after the relevant comment'
(which hardly rolls off the tongue, and does not actually
mention the advice to *trim* text no longer relevant)

>..What is or point me to the correct format...

'correct'?

I'd say there is no 'correct' way, since problems have
been raised and resolved using all three posting styles.

OTOH - I would say that 'inline with trim' posting is the
most *optimal* way to get to the solution, with minimum
use of bandwidth.

Andrew T.
Berlin  Brown - 01 Sep 2006 16:45 GMT
I dont know, I am use google groups;   I am pretty sure I didnt
top-post:

Anyway:

I am running subversion local.  I have been able to access the repo
mostly with for example:
(on Win32)

"file:///C:/repo"

etc. It works fine with the command line client, but I am trying to run
some of the gui's out there.

A lot of them dont support 'file:'?

Is the 'svn' protocol synonmous with file or are there other ways to
get to the repos that for example 'SmartSVN' GUI might support.

> Berlin Brown wrote:
> > Strange, with the version of wsad I was using Eclipse-2.x. it didnt
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> 'If there is one, Knowledge is the "Fountain of Youth"'
> -William E. Taylor,  Regular Guy (1952-)
Chris Uppal - 01 Sep 2006 17:53 GMT
Berlin Brown wrote:

> I dont know, I am use google groups;   I am pretty sure I didnt
> top-post:

You ARE top-posting!  Just read your ****ing posts.  Where are your words ?  At
the top...

And the fact that you are posting via the brain-dead Google interface to Usenet
in no way means that you are not part of Usenet.  (Although it does call for a
certain amount of sympathy)

   -- chris
Berlin  Brown - 01 Sep 2006 23:35 GMT
> Berlin Brown wrote:
>
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>
>     -- chris

Oh...I got ya.  Blah, who cares.  Get a life.
Hendrik Maryns - 04 Sep 2006 09:51 GMT
Berlin Brown schreef:
>> Berlin Brown wrote:
>>
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>
> Oh...I got ya.  Blah, who cares.  Get a life.

Maybe you should care, as you didn’t get an answer to your question
because now everyone is distracted by the top-posting discussion.

I will give you a hint because I like Subversion:  to use svn://, you
have to run a local svnserve deamon:

svnserve -d [path of subdir in repo if you want access restriction]

and then you control access by an, incredible but true, not encoded
plain text passwords file.  You login like such:

svn://localhost/path/to/project

HTH, H.
- --
Hendrik Maryns

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Andrew Thompson - 02 Sep 2006 08:07 GMT
<veering off-technical topic>
...
> And the fact that you are posting via the brain-dead Google interface to Usenet
> in no way means that you are not part of Usenet.  (Although it does call for a
> certain amount of sympathy)

Why?  I have been posting through Google groups for
some months now, and while it has some disadvantages,
it also has it's upside.

*Users* of Google groups may need a little prompting to
read the documentation of their web interface*, but to
Google's credit, most of the relevant advice is mentioned
somewhere, in some form.

* Note that I am not implying Google groups docs. get it
right all the time, nor that Google is any sort of authority
on Usenet - but they have improved the documentation
relevant to their web-interface, and the things it connects
to (like usenet).
</veering off-technical topic>

Andrew T.
Chris Uppal - 02 Sep 2006 09:30 GMT
> > And the fact that you are posting via the brain-dead Google interface
> > to Usenet in no way means that you are not part of Usenet.  (Although
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> some months now, and while it has some disadvantages,
> it also has it's upside.

Well, it is definitely harder to /read/ posts in Google; and (judging by most
posters) it's harder to /write/ posts in Google (while conforming to half-way
decent standards).

I'm not convinced that there's all that much left for Google's upside to
exhibit itself in...

BTW, if you don't mind the question, why /do/ you choose to post via Google ?

   -- chris
Andrew Thompson - 02 Sep 2006 11:03 GMT
..
> BTW, if you don't mind the question, why /do/ you choose to post via Google ?

At first it was because I lost internet at home and
was using accounts at the library and internet cafe's.

I was also interested to see Google groups 'from the inside'
to check whether my suspicions about it (a web-interface)
creating a 'tunnel vision' view of the usenet newsgroups
was correct (it would perhaps require a lot of words to describe*
exactly what I mean - if anybody seems terribly interested,
I will attempt it).  ..and yes, they do create that effect.

* In a few words, contributors that use web-interfaces tend *not*
to soak up tips from other threads in which they have no direct
interest (based on the thread title, mostly).

Ironically (perhaps), I am *continuing* to post through
Google groups (even though my internet is reconnected),
for the moment, mostly because of that 'blinkered' effect -
it is much easier for me to *not* get drawn into unprofitable,
bandwidth wasting arguments with people that appear
'for a few moments', only to vanish back into obscurity/irrelevance..

Ultimately, I think web-interfaces are good for the fact that
they allow people to post through colleges, library, internet
cafe's and such.

They *do* create many problems, and are a poor second
to using a news-reader, but I am glad that they are
available for those with no internet at home (and no ability
to set up a news client at the place they access internet).

Andrew T.
Chris Uppal - 04 Sep 2006 08:34 GMT
> * In a few words, contributors that use web-interfaces tend *not*
> to soak up tips from other threads in which they have no direct
> interest (based on the thread title, mostly).

I have certainly noticed a stronger tendency than I'm used to for posters to
ask questions which have been discussed only a day to two before.  I presume
that's the kind of effect you're thinking of.

I suppse that for a Googler it's like when reading a page of search results:
the idea is to /ignore/ as much as you possibly can.

   -- chris
Berlin  Brown - 02 Sep 2006 14:32 GMT
> > > And the fact that you are posting via the brain-dead Google interface
> > > to Usenet in no way means that you are not part of Usenet.  (Although
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>     -- chris

With google groups, the focus/cursor is put at the top of the post,
scrolled to the top, there is a space to top-post.

We could email google and tell them to scroll to the bottom and put the
focus there.

I blame google.


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