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Priti Gupta- priti@teamlease.com

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Priti - 29 Apr 2006 07:59 GMT
Hi! Everyone,

I am new memeber in the group. I am looking for Java Teamleaders
immediately for a company in Gurgaon. The maximum package what they can
offer is 9-10L (P.A). Also who can join immediately.

They looking for 5 years+ experience with Java and the person who is
involved in client interaction as well.

Communication skills needs to be excellent.

Regards,

Priti Gupta
priti@teamlease.com
Roedy Green - 29 Apr 2006 10:09 GMT
>I am new memeber in the group. I am looking for Java Teamleaders
>immediately for a company in Gurgaon.

that's in Northern India if you did not guess.
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Rhino - 29 Apr 2006 15:51 GMT
> Hi! Everyone,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Priti Gupta
> priti@teamlease.com

I really don't mind recruiting ads on this newsgroup but I wish that
recruiters would specify a few standard things in all recruiting ads:

- what country they are operating in [I guessed India on the basis of the
poster's name but I've met many people with Indian names in North America so
it was entirely possible that was wrong]
- whether people from other countries can apply for these jobs [some
countries make it quite easy for foreigners to work there, others make it
very hard indeed]
- what human languages the candidate needs to know [for instance, this ad
requires "excellent communication skills" but in what languages? The ad is
in English and I know that English is spoken to some extent in India but
would I need fluent Hindi or Tamil or whatever to take this particular job?
Or would a person who spoke only English be able to do this job?]

Also, in the case of this particular ad, the salary appears to be "9-10L
(P.A.)". I assume that "P.A." means "per annum" but what currency is
represented by "L"? I thought India's currency was the rupee but I don't
imagine that the abbreviation for "rupee" is "L".

Again, I don't mean to pick on this particular ad; most recruiting ads have
the same shortcomings, including American ones that don't mention if
foreigners can apply for the jobs.

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Rhino
Thomas Weidenfeller - 02 May 2006 08:49 GMT
> I really don't mind recruiting ads on this newsgroup

I do. These people are abusing a public resource. There are specific job
add newsgroups which they could use, instead of polluting this
discussion group.

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Arvind - 02 May 2006 15:41 GMT
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> - what human languages the candidate needs to know [for instance, this ad
> requires "excellent communication skills" but in what languages? The ad is
> in English and I know that English is spoken to some extent in India but
> would I need fluent Hindi or Tamil or whatever to take this particular job?
> Or would a person who spoke only English be able to do this job?]

All of your points are absolutely valid - let me clarify some of the
information for the purposes of General Knowledge :-)

All programming jobs (don't have to say in India i presume) invariably
use english for the purposes of communication - that said, you might
still need some primer on local languages to run around picking up your
daily essentials ;)

> Also, in the case of this particular ad, the salary appears to be "9-10L
> (P.A.)". I assume that "P.A." means "per annum" but what currency is
> represented by "L"? I thought India's currency was the rupee but I don't
> imagine that the abbreviation for "rupee" is "L".

Yes, P.A stands for per annum and currency is rupee -
L stands for lakh - which is 100,000 rupees

> Again, I don't mean to pick on this particular ad; most recruiting ads have
> the same shortcomings, including American ones that don't mention if
> foreigners can apply for the jobs.
>
> --
> Rhino

p.s : I don't have any connection whatsoever to the ad or the poster :)

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Arvind
Oliver Wong - 02 May 2006 20:55 GMT
> All programming jobs (don't have to say in India i presume) invariably
> use english for the purposes of communication - that said, you might
> still need some primer on local languages to run around picking up your
> daily essentials ;)

   There was a programmer here (Quebec, Canada) who spoke only French. He
had memorized the keywords in Java and their semantics, but was unable to
hold basic conversation in English. E.g. if he wanted to eat in an English
restaurant, he'd have to gesture his intentions, as he didn't have enough
English to communicate his desire exchange money for food.

   I have no idea what he did when he was told to read the JavaDocs API.
Maybe they've been translated to French somewhere.

   - Oliver
Roedy Green - 02 May 2006 21:23 GMT
>There was a programmer here (Quebec, Canada) who spoke only French. He
>had memorized the keywords in Java and their semantics, but was unable to
>hold basic conversation in English. E.g. if he wanted to eat in an English
>restaurant, he'd have to gesture his intentions, as he didn't have enough
>English to communicate his desire exchange money for food.

In my early years the Grenoble Algol compiler came from France with
French keywords.  We all had to learn enough French to handle the
keywords. That was no problem at all.  I still remember SORTIE = exit.

Back then there were no complex libraries.  You learned the language
by buying textbook on it. Today, you pretty well need English as a
second language if you are interested in computing.

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Arvind - 02 May 2006 23:32 GMT
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> Back then there were no complex libraries.  You learned the language
> by buying textbook on it. Today, you pretty well need English as a
> second language if you are interested in computing.

Thank god, communication is not disrupted by a language war ! - come to
think of it, it would be really funny to see people fight over
linguistic supremacy, with my point of interest being, the language
they'd use to fight ;) :-)

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Arvind
Arvind - 02 May 2006 23:29 GMT
> "Arvind" <asrinivasan@worldbank.org> wrote in message
<snip>
>     There was a programmer here (Quebec, Canada) who spoke only French. He
> had memorized the keywords in Java and their semantics, but was unable to
> hold basic conversation in English. E.g. if he wanted to eat in an English
> restaurant, he'd have to gesture his intentions, as he didn't have enough
> English to communicate his desire exchange money for food.

Ha ha - Reminds me of the indian/italian bit by stand up comedian
Russell Peters (a quick google did not seem to bring the video back)

>     I have no idea what he did when he was told to read the JavaDocs API.
> Maybe they've been translated to French somewhere.
>
>     - Oliver

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Arvind


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