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Pavel - 24 Apr 2006 02:46 GMT I'd love to see the ratio of male programmers to female programmers if anyone has any info on this.
I just think life would be so much easier if there were more female Java Programmers in the world.
End of rant.
Thanks, Pavel
Stefan Ram - 24 Apr 2006 02:51 GMT >I just think life would be so much easier if there were more >female Java Programmers in the world. How would your life become more easy in this case?
Pavel - 24 Apr 2006 04:10 GMT >> I just think life would be so much easier if there were more >> female Java Programmers in the world. > > How would your life become more easy in this case? I suppose I should have realized that this could easily become a topic of debate BEFORE I hit the send button. But, since I didn't, I will attempt to take my keyboard out of my mouth, and qualify my vague statement in hopes that a fiery rage does not ensue.
Simply put, I feel it would be "easier" to have a relationship with a woman, if they shared "ALL" of the same interests as I do. In 'my' experience, there are certainly not enough women that seem to be interested in computers and/or programming of any kind.
Although I know that this does not prohibit me from finding a decent, wholesome woman... I do believe that it would be easier to come home and be able to explain why my day was so cool because I hammered out 5000 lines of code with a new API. It may also be easier to be able to come home and maybe for just 10 minutes vent a little bit about why my JVM destroyed my day. Instead I get... "Babe, I don't know what the <expletive deleted> you're talking about." , or "That's nice, Dear, but I need new shoes." , or "Java?, Sorry we just ran out of coffee."
And perhaps "easier" is the wrong term for my initial rant, because this could definitely cause more problems than it's worth...
But I certainly think it would be "interesting" if there were more women in the Computers & Programming section of Barnes & Noble. Until then, I suppose cheap pickup lines in clubs and bars will have to do. :)
Thank you, Pavel
Stefan Ram - 24 Apr 2006 04:41 GMT >Simply put, I feel it would be "easier" to have a relationship >with a woman, if they shared "ALL" of the same interests as I do. I believe that in order to /create/ a relationship, the woman should be interested in /you/ as a partner, first and foremost. Otherwise, it might not help that both of your share the same interest in Java.
>Instead I get... "Babe, I don't know what the <expletive >deleted> you're talking about." , or "That's nice, Dear, but I >need new shoes." , or "Java?, Sorry we just ran out of coffee." Given that there already is a relationship, I can understand your point: it can be more fun, if both also can talk about programming. Just take care of your self-esteem for the case that she might outperform you as a Java programmer.
Pavel - 24 Apr 2006 05:00 GMT >> Simply put, I feel it would be "easier" to have a relationship >> with a woman, if they shared "ALL" of the same interests as I do. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > foremost. Otherwise, it might not help that both of your share > the same interest in Java. I agree 100%. I'm not looking to "instantiate" a relationship solely, on Java alone. That would be perverse. :)
>> Instead I get... "Babe, I don't know what the <expletive >> deleted> you're talking about." , or "That's nice, Dear, but I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > programming. Just take care of your self-esteem for the case > that she might outperform you as a Java programmer. Hey, if she can write code better than I can, more power to her. I think that would serve more as a turn-on than a turn-off. And, yes... this is actually more perverse. :)
Pep - 24 Apr 2006 10:16 GMT >>> Simply put, I feel it would be "easier" to have a relationship >>> with a woman, if they shared "ALL" of the same interests as I do. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > that would serve more as a turn-on than a turn-off. And, yes... this is > actually more perverse. :) Then again you could take the approach that I did which was to show my wife what my job was all about. I won't say that she has become a programmer but she certainly understands when I talk to her, or maybe I just wishfully think the "uh huh's" and "mmm's" are agreement and understanding :)
bruces1@gmail.com - 24 Apr 2006 10:26 GMT I am slowly but surely nerdifying my girlfriend.
When I met her she played "The Sims". I introduced her to Civilization 3. From there to an RPG / Adventure game. Next step.. Dungeons and Dragons :-D
morning_path - 24 Apr 2006 23:39 GMT So, you had an evil plan from the start, eh? How Wiley E Coyote of you.
Luc The Perverse - 25 Apr 2006 03:16 GMT > So, you had an evil plan from the start, eh? How Wiley E Coyote of you. Please try to learn to quote. It makes it much easier for the readers.
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:) Ingo R. Homann - 25 Apr 2006 12:55 GMT Hi,
> I am slowly but surely nerdifying my girlfriend. > ... My girlfriend is now able to code HTML and CSS.
I'm going to marry her soon. (Note that I asked her *before* she knew HTML/CSS! ;-)
Ciao, Ingo
derek@gkdkwe.com - 24 Apr 2006 14:32 GMT > I believe that in order to /create/ a relationship, the woman > should be interested in /you/ as a partner, first and > foremost. Otherwise, it might not help that both of your share > the same interest in Java. And since we are on the subject of Java & relationships :)
*HOW to improve your sex-appeal with a good Java program* :
First things first : get in super.Shape. Next: all your URLs should be created with protocol "female", same with URI schemes. As a consequence, you'll notice that your GeneralPath will lead you into Area(s) populated heavily with public class Women.
Secondly, as the Window of opportunity tends to be very narrow, don't lose Focus! Make sure that a lot of instances of public class Woman have FocusTraversalPolicy set on you.
Thirdly, implement as much Listeners as possible (public class Women like being listened to). Then you have to establish a Connection (some PreparedStatement might come in handy), followed by Identity. Remember that Naming.lookup() is a great ice breaker.
After a while, you have to broaden the IdentityScope. Visit some KeyFactory and then exchange your public Keys. Don't think you're home free, though. GC also comes with the package. You'll also have to learn to be a good Observer. Your Observable will like that very much.
Further more, the trick is to use a long, Long or Big* member (field). Put it to work in an inner Socket, preferably doing it safely (SSLSocket). Catch all the Exceptions in all the OutputStream(s) unless you explicitly want child Processes. Moreover, don't rely on your average BasicStroke, you have to come up with some versatile method(s). Extending the built-in Socket(s) with something like Suckit(s) might also impress some public class Woman, but some don't like using MulticastSocket(s). Speaking of which, allways check the .getPreferred*() beforehand. Otherwise you might have to deal with nasty Throwables, like IllegalAccessError. Also take into account that NoSuchMethodError means NoSuchMethodError (same for NoSuchFieldError and the analogous Exceptions).
Having dealt with all that, make sure that you close all the necessary ports on your firewall, because InterruptedExceptions tend to be very destructive (plus your Reference will become a SoftReference (i.e. your RoundingMode will switch from UP to DOWN) for an indefinite period of time).
Sooner or later you'll have to realize that the best you can do is to make your instance of public class Woman final and static. It's not unusual that in the process you also make it private, though protected might also work in some cases. Of course, you'd have to say goodbye to Swing for as long as you both shall live.
Gerbrand - 27 Apr 2006 10:33 GMT derek@gkdkwe.com schreef:
>> I believe that in order to /create/ a relationship, the woman >> should be interested in /you/ as a partner, first and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > *HOW to improve your sex-appeal with a good Java program* : That's really funny :-). Altough I not necessarely agree about the last alinea ;-).
Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Apr 2006 20:01 GMT > Then again you could take the approach that I did which was to show > my wife what my job was all about. I won't say that she has become > a programmer but she certainly understands when I talk to her, or > maybe I just wishfully think the "uh huh's" and "mmm's" are > agreement and understanding :) Well, my husband and I both work in technical fields, but he does assembler-level firmware, and I'm currently doing end user Java apps.
We each can understand enough of what the other's doing to sympathize, but not to write each other's code.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Apr 2006 19:58 GMT >>Simply put, I feel it would be "easier" to have a relationship with >>a woman, if they shared "ALL" of the same interests as I do. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>you're talking about." , or "That's nice, Dear, but I need new >>shoes." , or "Java?, Sorry we just ran out of coffee." Well, it helps to have *something* in common to start a conversation that might eventually spawn something further.
I would also wonder about sharing all interests. I waffle on this one. For example, I practice martial arts. My husband doesn't. Sometimes I wish he did, so that we could practice together (in part, yes, so that when I want to talk about martial arts, he could have even the faintest clue what I mean). On the other hand, I've also realized that I appreciate having something of my very own. Most of the physical things we do together (skiing, mountain biking, etc), he's better at. It's nice to have an activity where we're not competing.
Yes, it would be nice if I were well-balanced enough not to see it as a competition, but in the meantime ...
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Chris Uppal - 25 Apr 2006 08:49 GMT > I would also wonder about sharing all interests. I waffle on this > one. For example, I practice martial arts. My husband doesn't. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > he's better at. It's nice to have an activity where we're not > competing. It must also be a comfort, when the Love of your Life and Centre of your World has beaten you at one of these activities, to reflect that your subtle skills enable you to punch his spine out through the back of his neck...
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Luc The Perverse - 25 Apr 2006 12:42 GMT >> I would also wonder about sharing all interests. I waffle on this >> one. For example, I practice martial arts. My husband doesn't. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > skills > enable you to punch his spine out through the back of his neck... . . . . . . .
I find you a mite more competitive in your relationships than in mine
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:) Thomas Hawtin - 24 Apr 2006 13:12 GMT >>> I just think life would be so much easier if there were more >>> female Java Programmers in the world. >> >> How would your life become more easy in this case?
> Simply put, I feel it would be "easier" to have a relationship with a > woman, if they shared "ALL" of the same interests as I do. In 'my' > experience, there are certainly not enough women that seem to be > interested in computers and/or programming of any kind. I've found that with the two Java programmers I know, I have the least stable friendships. And neither is particularly keen to talk about it.
In terms of numbers, one in thirteen seems to be the recurring proportion for women electing to be involved with computers. Two out of twenty six in my school Computer Studies class were female. Around the same time a survey found only one in thirteen computers bought for kids in the UK were for girls (okay, not necessarily elective). I seem to remember the same fraction in a pre-.com survey of programmers. I wouldn't be surprised to see the postings in this news group following similar lines (although poster's gender is not necessarily obvious, and possibly deliberately disguised).
OTOH, I think the variety of people becoming programmers has broadened. Not that it was ever necessarily true that everyone involved was interested in it. I guess conferences are viewed as male dominated events, which I imagine puts most women off. The Association of C & C++ Users conference seems to get around one percent female attendees.
> But I certainly think it would be "interesting" if there were more women > in the Computers & Programming section of Barnes & Noble. Until then, I > suppose cheap pickup lines in clubs and bars will have to do. :) I shall see if my Mustang participate t-shirt wows the ladies. I suspect I may be disappointed.
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derek@gkdkwe.com - 24 Apr 2006 14:21 GMT > But I certainly think it would be "interesting" if there were more women > in the Computers & Programming section of Barnes & Noble. Until then, I > suppose cheap pickup lines in clubs and bars will have to do. :) Well, if you are already at Barnes & Noble, just head for the psychology and/or esoteric section. Plenty of women there, to try your lines on. :)
Wes Williams - 24 Apr 2006 20:36 GMT >> But I certainly think it would be "interesting" if there were more women >> in the Computers & Programming section of Barnes & Noble. Until then, I >> suppose cheap pickup lines in clubs and bars will have to do. :) > > Well, if you are already at Barnes & Noble, just head for the psychology > and/or esoteric section. Plenty of women there, to try your lines on. :) And avoid the ones in the self-help section.
Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Apr 2006 19:53 GMT > I guess conferences are viewed as male dominated events, which I > imagine puts most women off. The Association of C & C++ Users > conference seems to get around one percent female attendees. An anecdote: I'd been using linux, in fact running my own linux server as well as desktop, for several years when my brother, who was interested but hadn't yet installed linux, asked me to join him at the local linux user's group meeting.
It's been a while, but as I recall there were over 100 people there, and I was one of two women.
I'll be honest; while it wasn't uncomfortable, it was a bit ... odd, and I didn't go to another LUG meeting. Nothing bad happened to me or anything ... and to be honest, I wasn't much into doing anything that didn't involve EverQuest at the time. So maybe I would have gone again if I hadn't been otherwise preoccupied.
Anyway, if I'm one woman who is into linux, software engineering, and other "geeky" things, but doesn't go to conferences and other gatherings, I imagine there are many others, as well.
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marcwentink@hotmail.com - 24 Apr 2006 14:47 GMT Pavel:
> Simply put, I feel it would be "easier" to have a relationship with a > woman, if they shared "ALL" of the same interests as I do. I would find this very annoying, I would like some time for myself, not doing everything always together with a girl?
joseph_daniel_zukiger@yahoo.com - 25 Apr 2006 14:37 GMT > >> I just think life would be so much easier if there were more > >> female Java Programmers in the world. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > experience, there are certainly not enough women that seem to be > interested in computers and/or programming of any kind. I was once engaged to a woman who shared my interested in microprocessor programming.
One of several problems we had was that she was happy with her 8085 protoboard, and thought the 8086 was a great processor.
I have since noticed that girl geeks and I tend to disagree on precisely the points that would have made it the most difficult for me to get along with them.
YMMV
> Although I know that this does not prohibit me from finding a decent, > wholesome woman... I do believe that it would be easier to come home and > be able to explain why my day was so cool because I hammered out 5000 > lines of code with a new API. 5000 in a day? Are you sure that was you and not Castor or JAXB?
I can't remember a time I've pumped out 500 lines of code in one day. Well, I think I may have a couple of times particularly way late at night and then I have to go back the next day and delete all but about ten because the rest solved the wrong problem, or I found myself spending the next day or so refactoring and bringing the line and level of implicit coupling way down.
> It may also be easier to be able to come > home and maybe for just 10 minutes vent a little bit about why my JVM > destroyed my day. Instead I get... "Babe, I don't know what the > <expletive deleted> you're talking about." , or "That's nice, Dear, but > I need new shoes." , or "Java?, Sorry we just ran out of coffee." As a man who is married to an opposite, I must admit that it's sometimes better that way.
She might, instead, ask why you insist on using *that* stupid vm. Or not ask, just look at you with that worried look, as if she knows she has to let you make your own mistakes.
> And perhaps "easier" is the wrong term for my initial rant, because this > could definitely cause more problems than it's worth... Puzzles make life more interesting, too.
YMMV
> But I certainly think it would be "interesting" if there were more women > in the Computers & Programming section of Barnes & Noble. Until then, I > suppose cheap pickup lines in clubs and bars will have to do. :) > > Thank you, > Pavel Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Apr 2006 16:27 GMT >> Although I know that this does not prohibit me from finding a >> decent, wholesome woman... I do believe that it would be easier to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > myself spending the next day or so refactoring and bringing the line > and level of implicit coupling way down. 500 isn't horrifically unreasonable, if you're writing all fresh code (as opposed to having to weave it into existing code) and have a strong grasp of what needs to get done.
5000 does seem to be stretching it, unless you wrote a script to autogenerate some repetitive code and count the results as code you wrote =)
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Luc The Perverse - 25 Apr 2006 18:29 GMT > 5000 does seem to be stretching it, unless you wrote a script to > autogenerate some repetitive code and count the results as code you > wrote =) I wrote 5000 lines of code in a few seconds once that way.
Granted the entire premise of that "scripting" was flawed.
Kinda funny actually, I had a function being called about every 1 second with an incrementing integer which was fed into a giant switch statement. It should have been a thread with a few for loops.
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:) joseph_daniel_zukiger@yahoo.com - 26 Apr 2006 01:36 GMT > >> Although I know that this does not prohibit me from finding a > >> decent, wholesome woman... I do believe that it would be easier to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (as opposed to having to weave it into existing code) and have a > strong grasp of what needs to get done. 500 lines in a day isn't horrifically unreasonable?
I'm having trouble imagining hand generating 500 lines of useable code in a day, and not from a code generator (including GUI generators), even if I am writing fresh code and have a strong grasp of what needs to be done. Somehow, I have this idea that, if the problem is that well defined, I'm going to already have a class or set of classes that does the job, or a code generation tool of some sort.
Am I expecting too much of Java?
500 lines converting a carefully designed API spec to interfaces and simple base classes, I suppose I could see, Java being wordy as it is. (Not that Wordy is necessarily being a bad thing when wordiness can be used to make dependencies and such explicit.) But I don't think I could see that as anything close to a repeatable rate, even in that case, unless the engineers who designed the API know Java so well that the design clarifies all the implementation issues ahead of time.
Chris Uppal - 26 Apr 2006 10:41 GMT > I'm having trouble imagining hand generating 500 lines of useable code > in a day, and not from a code generator (including GUI generators), > even if I am writing fresh code and have a strong grasp of what needs > to be done. Somehow, I have this idea that, if the problem is that well > defined, I'm going to already have a class or set of classes that does > the job, or a code generation tool of some sort. I largely agree. There have been times when I've cranked out code that fast or faster (I'm pretty quick when I'm on a roll), but normally I'd say that if you are in that position then there's a good chance that you are missing a chance to abstract and/or automate. If the code doesn't need thinking about to write[*], then that is at least a fairly strong hint that you might be better off telling the computer to write it for you, or that there is some other level of abstraction that you are missing.
([*]Which should be a fairly rare situation, for precisely the reason given above.)
Of course, that does depend on the quality of the tools you have available for automation and abstraction. In inexpressive languages like C or Java, there aren't many tools "in the box", so you are more likely to find yourself in a position where it is both possible and appropriate to crank out code "quickly" than if you were using, say, Lisp.
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Martin Gregorie - 26 Apr 2006 16:37 GMT > I largely agree. There have been times when I've cranked out code that fast or > faster (I'm pretty quick when I'm on a roll), but normally I'd say that if you > are in that position then there's a good chance that you are missing a chance > to abstract and/or automate. There's another case, though its a bit rare. Some time back I was working on a large online system where we had a number of modules that pulled data out of the database and displayed it to answer queries. We had a standard query response skeleton that just needed filling with appropriate DB access statements and display formatting statements: the rest of the system was menu-driven and had already collected the data retrieval keys. This was entirely COBOL code using an IDMSX database in case you're wondering.
Completed result display modules ran to about 300 lines of code not counting the stuff that the IDMSX preprocessor injected. It was generally possible to write, test and debug one of these in a day without working overtime.
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Another factoid that's always fascinated me is that, while programmers vary widely in the number of lines of clean compiled and unit tested code they can write a day, the number of lines any individual can produce a day is almost independent of the programming language used. IOW, most of the productivity gain going from assembler -> high level language -> task specific languages (e.g., a 4GL, PowerBuilder, Perl, awk, ...) is simply due to the fact that you can program a specific task in fewer source lines.
This was discovered by the Lyons Organization, a British mid-20th century Starbucks equivalent, who developed and used the worlds first purpose designed business computer, the LEO series, in the early '50s.
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bugbear - 26 Apr 2006 10:56 GMT > 500 lines in a day isn't horrifically unreasonable? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > defined, I'm going to already have a class or set of classes that does > the job, or a code generation tool of some sort. The only time I've generated (working...) code at that rate was writing header parsers for image formats.
Somce (old) image formats are well documented, but quite messy.
So you generate quite a lot of simple code, that is't quite... simple enough to factor out.
This makes for a high rate of code-line generation.
In all other cases, yeah, 100-200 lines a day of debugged, working, maintainable code is about the going rate.
This always surprises "bedroom geniuses"
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Oliver Wong - 26 Apr 2006 14:51 GMT >> >> Although I know that this does not prohibit me from finding a >> >> decent, wholesome woman... I do believe that it would be easier to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > 500 lines in a day isn't horrifically unreasonable? Lines is kind of an iffy metric anyway. Maybe the OP puts the curly braces on seperate lines, and maybe you don't. JavaDocs add a lot of "easy lines" too ("/**" counts as a line, right?).
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Wes Williams - 26 Apr 2006 14:58 GMT > Lines is kind of an iffy metric anyway. Maybe the OP puts the curly > braces on seperate lines, and maybe you don't. JavaDocs add a lot of > "easy lines" too ("/**" counts as a line, right?). > > - Oliver Indeed, perhaps they were also counting their, obviously failed, pickup lines at the local pub in that metric as well?
Luc The Perverse - 24 Apr 2006 02:51 GMT > I just think life would be so much easier if there were more female Java > Programmers in the world. Why?
I don't think my life has ever been complicated by a lack of women programming in Java - but I could be mistaken.
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:) bruces1@gmail.com - 24 Apr 2006 03:49 GMT Maybe he's going with..
More female Java programmers = more opportunities for heterosexual male Java programmers to meet females in the workplace --> more opportunities to hook up with like minded women without having to actively seek them out??
Pavel - 24 Apr 2006 04:29 GMT > Maybe he's going with.. > > More female Java programmers = more opportunities for heterosexual male > Java programmers to meet females in the workplace --> more > opportunities to hook up with like minded women without having to > actively seek them out?? I swear that I'm not lazy, but, yes, I believe that by pairing heterosexual male Java Programmers with heterosexual female Java Programmers, the workplace could potentially be less stressful... or ... much more stressful.
In any event, it would be interesting.
Pep - 24 Apr 2006 10:13 GMT >> Maybe he's going with.. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > In any event, it would be interesting. And the view across the open plan office w/space would be greatly improved :)
Luc The Perverse - 24 Apr 2006 12:36 GMT >> Maybe he's going with.. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Programmers, the workplace could potentially be less stressful... or ... > much more stressful. Maybe the problem isn't that there aren't enough female java programmers. Maybe male programmers just need to be more open minded to the idea of a gay relationship
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:) Danno - 24 Apr 2006 05:17 GMT Dependency Injection would definitely become an interesting topic.
Pavel - 24 Apr 2006 05:42 GMT > Dependency Injection would definitely become an interesting topic. Performance Tuning... yes.
Debugging ... NO. :)
Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Apr 2006 19:45 GMT >> I just think life would be so much easier if there were more female >> Java Programmers in the world. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't think my life has ever been complicated by a lack of women > programming in Java - but I could be mistaken. Well, for one thing, the OP could be female ... and yes, being in a field in which you're an extreme minority does complicate things, although it's by no means impossible.
For another, there's a theory that people from different backgrounds tend to approach problems differently and see different issues, so lack of diversity certainly would be a problem. (Perhaps one could say that lack of diversity would simplify things in the short run, but complicate them in the long run.) This doesn't, of course, apply exclusively to gender ...
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Danno - 24 Apr 2006 05:15 GMT Judging by the pictures of attendees at Java One, I'd say its about 1000 men to 1 woman. If the all of humanity ceases to exist with the exception of everyone at the Moscone Center during Java One, I sincerely hope that those 12 women there are flexible.
Pavel - 24 Apr 2006 05:41 GMT > Judging by the pictures of attendees at Java One, I'd say its about > 1000 men to 1 woman. If the all of humanity ceases to exist with the > exception of everyone at the Moscone Center during Java One, I > sincerely hope that those 12 women there are flexible. LMFAO :)
Thank you, I rest my case.
Roedy Green - 24 Apr 2006 06:38 GMT >Judging by the pictures of attendees at Java One, I'd say its about >1000 men to 1 woman. If the all of humanity ceases to exist with the >exception of everyone at the Moscone Center during Java One, I >sincerely hope that those 12 women there are flexible. For me, I would hope the males would be flexible. :-)
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bruces1@gmail.com - 24 Apr 2006 09:02 GMT Hehe.. history shows that when women aren't available, "flexibility" follows.
Up Yours - 24 Apr 2006 14:22 GMT bruces1@gmail.com wrote in news:1145865722.437163.207830 @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Hehe.. history shows that when women aren't available, "flexibility" > follows. In Roedy's case, he wouldn't care if women were available or not: he "plays for the other team". http://mindprod.com/contact/idealpartner.html.
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Luc The Perverse - 24 Apr 2006 12:37 GMT >>Judging by the pictures of attendees at Java One, I'd say its about >>1000 men to 1 woman. If the all of humanity ceases to exist with the >>exception of everyone at the Moscone Center during Java One, I >>sincerely hope that those 12 women there are flexible. > > For me, I would hope the males would be flexible. :-) Oh crap - I thought I was being original
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:) bugbear - 24 Apr 2006 11:42 GMT > Judging by the pictures of attendees at Java One, I'd say its about > 1000 men to 1 woman. It depends wether attendees of a Java conference are a representative sample.
I doubt this rather strongly.
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bugbear - 24 Apr 2006 10:43 GMT > I'd love to see the ratio of male programmers to female programmers if > anyone has any info on this. > > I just think life would be so much easier if there were more female Java > Programmers in the world. There are very few jobs that actually require a penis or vagina. All other jobs should be open to everybody.
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Danno - 24 Apr 2006 15:37 GMT Gordon Beaton - 24 Apr 2006 16:17 GMT > There are very few jobs that actually require a penis or vagina. > All other jobs should be open to everybody. > > ~Florynce Kennedy Most jobs *are* open to everybody today AFAIK, although I expect it wasn't the case when she said that,
However that doesn't change the fact that women and women tend to choose different types of education and careers (for various complex social reasons I won't even attempt to analyze), with the result that men and women aren't equally represented among applicants for every position in every field.
When I studied Computer Science around 1990, there were 3 women in my graduating class of about 60, and among the younger classes I think the most was about 7.
In my current department, 2 of the 5 java programmers are women while none of the 6 C programmers are. (and who claimed in a recent thread that employers only do one programming language?)
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Amfur Kilnem - 24 Apr 2006 17:00 GMT >> I'd love to see the ratio of male programmers to female programmers if >> anyone has any info on this. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ~Florynce Kennedy Who is "?ôÉìåæ£Ü ?ÜææÜ¢å" ?
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Mitch - 24 Apr 2006 14:55 GMT > I'd love to see the ratio of male programmers to female programmers if > anyone has any info on this. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks, > Pavel My university department (Electrical, Electronic and Computing Engineering) is one half of a building. The other half is filled with the Nursing / Health Science department. They kindly put the nerds along side all the compassionate females, which I thought was a nice touch.
Besides, I don't think I'd want my gf too interested in computers, you'd come home only to talk over msn and when I've only written 10 lines of code in an hour I wouldn't be able to claim that they were ten difficult lines...
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