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Java Forum / General / April 2006hi friends
hey friends, i have ask several questions last time and many of think its my homework sorry to tell them they are not my homework questions.i am just starting my java and just complete teach yourself book but i was unable to solve those question in my exam so i ask this group about those questions may be one of them was very simple but i realize that after of post. so friends it wasnt my homework,but questions were asked in exam and that frame layout was very simple i just forget about that.steel any of guys have feel that i should not put those question then i am really sorry for that. This group Rocks Thank You, Hardik. "hardik" wrote... > hey friends, Hi there... > i have ask several questions last time and many of > think its my homework sorry to tell them they are not > my homework questions.i am just starting my java and > just complete teach yourself book but i was unable to > solve those question in my exam Well, whether it's homework or questions for an exam, shouldn't be that much different. Ask yourself what you gain from being given the answers on a plate, compared to with if you struggle to come up with the answers yourself. Do you want to be a programmer, or do you just want to pass your exam? IMHO, one of the primary skills of a programmer is to be able to find and understand what's written in documentation, reference manuals, etc. The questions you asked were to be seen as beginners questions (at least for Java programmers), and maybe you should ask your questions in a more appropriate newsgroup, e.g. comp.lang.java.help, instead of this. Though we don't answer homework questions (or similar) there either, you'll probably won't be as flamed as in this group. // Bjorn A hey mister what do u think yourself u r the only one in this world u r nothing but just a piece of fool. as i accept its my mistake and i dont know thats pro's group but steel u wants to learn me u r nothing more than f.cking a.shole.whaterver u think u r just f.cking a.shole. > hey mister what do u think yourself > > u r the only one in this world > u r nothing but just a piece of fool. [...] I think Bjorn was trying to be helpful by recommending you post in comp.lang.java.help instead of comp.lang.java.programmer because there's less flaming in comp.lang.java.help. I don't think Bjorn was trying to be mean to you. - Oliver "Oliver Wong" <wrote... > "hardik" wrote... >> hey mister what do u think yourself >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > because there's less flaming in comp.lang.java.help. I don't > think Bjorn was trying to be mean to you. Exactly, but I'm beginning to think that he's reading just like he writes... To Hardik: Here's some recommended reading; http://tgos.org/newbie/rules.html They are not the only guidelines for Usenet in existance, but most of them are quite similar. I believe the other suggestions I gave to Hardik falls under "Usenet Guidelines" number 1 (follow the culture in the group) and 4 (check other resources). I would also like to add a suggestion to Hardik to use the "General Guidelines" number 9 (about quoting). // Bjorn A >hey mister what do u think yourself > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >u wants to learn me u r nothing more than f.cking a.shole.whaterver u >think u r just f.cking a.shole. You misunderstand. He is trying to help you. If people spoon feed you, you will learn nothing. You will have gone through the motions, but come out the end without increased skill. It is a judgment call the best degree of help to give, but in general, the degree that serves you best will make you somewhat uncomfortable, same as weight lifting. You won't build muscles lifting Styrofoam or having someone else lift weights for you. Even if hardik is being too tough, your childish response is turning off other slightly softer teachers. Keep that up and you may find no one willing to even talk to you. You seem to think the universe OWES you answers to your questions. That attitude is the fastest way to ensure you won't get them. People here dedicate many hours each week to helping newbies. They don't have to do that. Nobody pays them too. They are not here just to tantalise you. Notice that other newbies ARE getting answers and plenty of help. If you are curious why they are and you are not, see: see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/newsgroups.html and http://mindprod.com/jgloss/homework.html  SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:58:37 GMT, Roedy Green <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website@munged.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Even if hardik is being too tough, your childish response is turning >off other slightly softer teachers. Keep that up and you may find no >one willing to even talk to you. oops, I should have said "Even if Bjorn is being too tough". SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. > u r the only one in this world > u r nothing but just a piece of fool. > as i accept its my mistake and i dont know thats pro's group but steel > u wants to learn me u r nothing more than f.cking a.shole.whaterver u > think u r just f.cking a.shole. I have no idea what you're trying to say, but I'll bet I can read your native language better than I can read your pidgin english. On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:50:45 -0700, James McGill <jmcgill@cs.arizona.edu> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : > f.cking a.shole. > >I have no idea what you're trying to say, but I'll bet I can read your >native language better than I can read your pidgin english. "f.cking a.shole" suggests he is angry and feels hard done by. an aside, should that not read "f.cked a.shole"? SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. >> f.cking a.shole. > > an aside, should that not read "f.cked a.shole"? Words used as expletives should not be taken very abstractly. To me, "f.cking" doesn't provide any additional info, but just emphasizes the rest, i.e. "Not only are you an a.shole, but you're a f.cking a.shole." "f.cked", on the other hand, means to me that the person being described is in deep trouble and can be used as a threat, e.g. "You're f.cked now, a.shole". - Oliver > "f.cking a.shole" suggests he is angry and feels hard done by. I couldn't go far enough back to find his original problem. My news archive makes it look like he *opened* with "f.cking a.shole" > hey mister what do u think yourself > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > u wants to learn me u r nothing more than f.cking a.shole.whaterver u > think u r just f.cking a.shole. "How to win friends and influence people" by Hardik. A nice message at the start of the thread, then it descends into this, and for no reason. Bjorn wasn't being an a.s, but you are doing a damn good impression! Don't be surprised if the replies to your questions drop off. hey friends i think u r all are thinking too much about this topic. i think i need to clear this topic right now, first of all my complete introduction i am college student and i have already learn C,Data Structures, Vb, Ai, Algorithms & Flowcharts, Operating Systems and Unix, Computer Graphics and Multimedia, Software Engineering, Computer Communication Networks, Database management system (Oracle), Internet Technology and Web Development and i have created projects in php as well as in vb and recently i started my research in C++ and java and .net technology's so as a starter i ask questions to programmer group bcz actually i never know that there is a help group also available in java, and all of sudden people tell me that i should ask question in help group. ok i fine i also tell sorry about that steel some people wants to irritate me and mails at my mail address so i was not happy and i show my unhappines to those people. person who mail me was grag . and bjorn was also the person who replied me vary badly tell me is this fair call that they send me mails and use very bad words for me steel i dont say i say sorry and yet they irritate me not in public post but by mailing me so i was very unhappy about and i am not like those guys i send my message in public post. now another thing that i have notice is they say do it by yourself.ok now for your surprize i have created some of the apache function for security. and another think if creators of apache or java or anyother language people think like greg or Bjorn then we will never have java or php or apache or may be linux. just think java is never used bcz some persons dont wants to tell abt it.its the developers of java or php or anyother open source language person who helped us. > hey friends > > i think u r all are thinking too much about this topic. You are an idiot. > hey friends [...] > i ask questions to programmer group > bcz actually i never know that there is a help group also available in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > by mailing me so i was very unhappy about and i am not like those guys > i send my message in public post. Sorry about the misunderstanding then. I guess from your perspective, you're getting these private e-mails that seem to be insulting you, and you feel its unhonorable to do this via private e-mail or something, so you respond to them in public posts. But from my perspective, I don't see these private e-mails. All I see are the public posts. So if I see a message where all of a sudden you get angry and start insulting people, and I don't see why you're doing this, it makes it look like you're just an angry and mean person. If someone e-mails you privately, and you don't like what they're saying, just ignore their e-mails. It takes them effort to actually write the e-mails, while it'll take you very little energy to click the "delete" button, so it's a losing game for them. > now another thing that i have notice is they say do it by yourself.ok > now for your surprize i have created some of the apache function for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > some persons dont wants to tell abt it.its the developers of java or > php or anyother open source language person who helped us. I don't know what the private e-mails may have said, but in the public post Bjorn said in which he told you to "do it yourself", what he means is try to solve the problem yourself, but if you get stuck, you can ask for help (either in here, comp.lang.java.programmer, or in comp.lang.java.help). If we just solve the problem for you, you can see the solution, but you don't know how we got the solution, and so next time you see a similar problem, you won't be able to solve it. What usually happens in these forums is you would post your problem, and then post all your ideas for how to solve that problem, and then put a question at the end asking about the parts where you're stuck. Then other people will read your ideas, and maybe they'll point out mistakes you made, or give you hints on the parts where you are stuck. If you feel there's too much aggression in both the comp.lang.java.programmer and comp.lang.java.help group, you might want to take a break, and not go to the groups for a few days until things settle down, and try again. - Oliver hey mister what do u think yourself u r the only one in this world u r nothing but just a piece of fool. as i accept its my mistake and i dont know thats pro's group but steel u wants to learn me u r nothing more than f.cking a.shole.whaterver u think u r just f.cking a.shole. Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. 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