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Java Forum / General / June 2006Java compilers on the Mac
This month's MacCompanion does a review of Java compilers from a Mac perspective: http://www.maccompanion.com/archives/April2006/Columns/AccordingtoHoyle.htm Last I heard, JBuilder was the dominant one on Mac OS X, but according to this article, that's no longer true. Anyone else have an idea what the state of Java is on the Mac these days? > This month's MacCompanion does a review of Java compilers from a Mac > perspective: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to this article, that's no longer true. Anyone else have an idea what > the state of Java is on the Mac these days? very good. Check out JDeveloper from oracle, it is FREE, as in FREE. Excellent Graphical debugging , clearly shows the callouts graphically. built in SQL, S.O.A.P etc  SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > very good. > Check out JDeveloper from oracle, it is FREE, as in FREE. > Excellent Graphical debugging , clearly shows the callouts graphically. I am sure it's great for all the things that you mention. Unfortunately, it is yet-another MDI IDE. It's really sad that the only way to avoid MDI these days is either to use XCode or to go back to Emacs and make files, the way our grandparents did their programming. jyh. Signature===================================================================== jean-yves herve' /\ Department of Computer Science \/ e-mail --> jyh@cs.uri.edu and Statistics /\ University of Rhode Island \/ Tel. --> (401) 874-4400 Kingston, RI 02881-0816 /\ Fax. --> (401) 874-4617 USA \/ ===================================================================== >> very good. >> Check out JDeveloper from oracle, it is FREE, as in FREE. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > jyh. that was not his question, he was asking about the state of development on the mac. We could all ramble on about: How we used to program univac's using punched tape and card stacks or how our old PDP11 could not cut it with 4kb of memory, or how it's old brother was used as a doorstop- or how finding a broken core memory with a magnifying class could take several days . but it ain't relevant to the topic. SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > >> very good. > >> Check out JDeveloper from oracle, it is FREE, as in FREE. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that was not his question, he was asking about the state of development on > the mac. It is quite relevant, given that a poor UI is going to make an IDE less useful. For a Mac user, an MDI UI is going to be more galling than for someone in the Windows space, as it is more common in the Windows world (vis Visual Studio). I know more than one Mac developer who hates MDI interfaces enough to find IDEA, Eclipse, and JDeveloper almost unusuable. Despite being behind in refactoring features, Xcode lets you use separate windows for each document. (I, personally, dislike MDI layouts, but not so much that I would switch away from IDEA.) That said, I find Xcode only middlin (IMO) as a Java IDE. For me, the feature set ofEclipse and IDEA make them preferable. I really wish there were a way to open multiple editor windows in IDEA. As far as Emacs and Make, I know a lot of developers that use an IDE like Eclipse to do refactoring, an editor like BBEdit for code entry, and ant for builds. Especially if the ant build is then callable from your editor or IDE, you can get a lot done that way. Scott SignatureScott Ellsworth scott@alodar.nospam.com Java and database consulting for the life sciences >I know more than one Mac developer who hates MDI interfaces enough to >find IDEA, Eclipse, and JDeveloper almost unusuable. Despite being >behind in refactoring features, Xcode lets you use separate windows for >each document. (I, personally, dislike MDI layouts, but not so much >that I would switch away from IDEA.) With Idea, if you want to compare code from two different sources, is there any slick way to do it, or do you need two giant windows you must resize and position to make it possible, trimming off each as much fat as possible. This is so easy in SlickEdit, also getting it to find differences. SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. > >I know more than one Mac developer who hates MDI interfaces enough to > >find IDEA, Eclipse, and JDeveloper almost unusuable. Despite being [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > must resize and position to make it possible, trimming off each as > much fat as possible. Idea has an excellent diff. And I think you can also open sources in new seperate windows since 5.0 or so. Eval is free. Check it out :) S. >>> I know more than one Mac developer who hates MDI interfaces enough to >>> find IDEA, Eclipse, and JDeveloper almost unusuable. Despite being [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > S. That is not good , it is frightening, and even more so that you have to pay money for it. see the attached screen. ( the difference is that Jdeveloper is free) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> I know more than one Mac developer who hates MDI interfaces enough to >> find IDEA, Eclipse, and JDeveloper almost unusuable. Despite being [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > This is so easy in SlickEdit, also getting it to find differences. Jdeveloper has a system that automatically identifies missing / added code, (As it keeps a history of every change made to a file) Then makes it Graphically available. It has saved my life on more than a few occasions. However we all know that there is no such thing as a perfect IDE SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > This month's MacCompanion does a review of Java compilers from a Mac > perspective: > > http://www.maccompanion.com/archives/April2006/Columns/AccordingtoHoyle.htm This article is actually reviewing Java IDEs, not compilers. A Java compiler would be, for example, /usr/bin/javac -- a program that takes Java source code and generates Java bytecode or some other form of object code. -- Chris Try SunOne. It's great. And free -- Robert Pearson ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net Creative Virtue Press/Telical Books/Regenerative Music http://www.rspearson.com/ >> Try SunOne. It's great. And free. But does it run on the Mac? Do you have a link for me to download. When I went to Sun's site, it appears to be Windows only. I expect Java to be cross-platform, and that includes the compiler and IDE's themselves. A Java IDE which is Windows-only would *definitely* make me write it off as unacceptable. C'mon people, it's Java. These should be the *first* things that are supported on alternative platforms. > >> Try SunOne. ═It's great. ═And free. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > should be the *first* things that are supported on alternative > platforms. IDEA ... http://www.jetbrains.com ... not free, but the best :-) S. >> IDEA ... http://www.jetbrains.com ... not free, but the best :-) That is in fact what the article concludes. IDEA seems to be getting all the glowing reviews. For free Java IDE's though, the article recommends Eclipse. >That is in fact what the article concludes. IDEA seems to be getting >all the glowing reviews. For free Java IDE's though, the article >recommends Eclipse. I have both and dropped Eclipse. However, IDEA has one two big drawbacks. It takes very long time to start and chews up so many resources when it is running it is hard to do anything else, so I don't just leave it running all the time. Money has been so tight I have not been able to double my RAM to 1 GIG which I suspect might fix the problem. SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. >> This month's MacCompanion does a review of Java compilers from a Mac >> perspective: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -- Chris toddle over to oracle's web site & down load Jdeveloper 10I (yes it works on osx) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth hi, i am a freelance java programmer. i am looking for one who will help me to test a java application in Mac. if any one is intrested i will send a Jar file. what i want is some screen shorts of that applications gui. please send a mail to the following address. titogeo@gmail.com Tito George ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools.] > Last I heard, JBuilder was the dominant one on Mac OS X, but according > to this article, that's no longer true. Anyone else have an idea what > the state of Java is on the Mac these days? I like Netbeans 5, which has an excellent GUI builder, and you can't beat the price. It runs fairly well on my Powerbook G4, but I have to admit that I usually run it on my amd64 Linux box and use it on the Powerbook using Apple's X11 server. On a gigabit ethernet connection, it's actually faster that way. I suggest poking around on planetnetbeans.org for tips and demos. With only a couple of weeks of usage, I was suprised how productive I could be with such a clunky programming language. Dave Cook Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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