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jen - 23 Feb 2006 02:32 GMT

pardon my newbie post with respect to what development platform i
should use.

i have many years experience with most flavors of C, perl, php,
.net...yada, yada, yada...

i have a desire to dive into the java side of things. without
researching a plethora of info
on the web and books and seeing buzz words like j2se, j2ee, javabeans,
swing, etc, etc...

i'm looking for someone to tell me which direction i should go if i
want to develop stand-alone applications as well as web apps, using a
gui/ide.

thanks in advance. any help is most appreciated...

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jen

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opalpa@gmail.com opalinski from opalpaweb - 23 Feb 2006 02:40 GMT

Sun's java site has many examples to use java functionality.

Javadocs, which is java documentation is readily available, I usually
type in class name into google and "feel lucky".

I've used Eclipse and Netbeans and find Eclipse is not something you
can dive into unless you have lots of time and patience. NetBeans is
easier to install, setup and code. Eclipse is fine if someone else set
it up for you. Do you like vi? emacs? Those are probably good
options if you know them.

I've looked at j2ee, and save for servlets&jsps, I am waiting for it to
get more mature.

Opalinski
opalpa@gmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/opalpaweb/

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jen - 23 Feb 2006 02:47 GMT

that's a great place to start...thank you.

btw, i just love vi, however, when i'm forced to work with these silly
wintel platforms,
i begin to lose sight of my roots. :-)

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jen

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opalpa@gmail.com opalinski from opalpaweb - 23 Feb 2006 04:42 GMT

> btw, i just love vi,

Similarly I've yet to find an editor I use as much. jen, on wintel
you may be able to install cygwin ( http://www.cygwin.com/setup.exe
which is a download of a program to a .... good but initially less than
obvious installation tool, for me anyway, of traditional software tools
)

If not cygwin there are vi programs for windows. One is vim (
http://www.vim.org/ )

All the best,
Opalinski
opalpa@gmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/opalpaweb/

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blmblm@myrealbox.com - 23 Feb 2006 08:49 GMT

>> btw, i just love vi,
>
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>If not cygwin there are vi programs for windows. One is vim (
>http://www.vim.org/ )

Seconding the suggestion to check out vim -- I use it under Linux
(and think it lives up to its name, which is short for "vi improved"),
but discussion in comp.editors suggests that there are plenty of
vim-under-Windows users.

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John C. Bollinger - 24 Feb 2006 04:25 GMT

> Seconding the suggestion to check out vim -- I use it under Linux
> (and think it lives up to its name, which is short for "vi improved"),
> but discussion in comp.editors suggests that there are plenty of
> vim-under-Windows users.

Me, for instance. ViM runs great on Windows. It's my text editor of
choice on both Win32 and Linux.

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Lord0 - 23 Feb 2006 08:25 GMT

I would definitely look at Eclipse not only is it a very good IDE for
Java (and other languages) but you can get a set of plugins,
collectively known as the Webtools Project
(http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/) which are specifically designed for
J2EE development. It also has various plugins for other topics you
mention such as Swing

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Roedy Green - 23 Feb 2006 15:57 GMT

>i'm looking for someone to tell me which direction i should go if i
>want to develop stand-alone applications as well as web apps, using a
>gui/ide.

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/gettingstarted.html

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David Segall - 23 Feb 2006 16:16 GMT

>i'm looking for someone to tell me which direction i should go if i
>want to develop stand-alone applications as well as web apps, using a
>gui/ide.

I have posted a list of "GUI/IDE"s at <http://ide.profectus.com.au>.
If you want to develop web apps note the reference to Java Studio
Creator at the bottom of the page. If you really want to be told which
direction to go then proceed immediately to <www.netbeans.org> :)

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