Java Forum / General / February 2006
The next big thing in technology?
Rhino - 26 Jan 2006 15:33 GMT I just got this and thought I'd share it with the newsgroup. It's a nice spoof of techno-hype, isn't it? ;-)
============================================================ Introducing the new Bio-Optic Organized Knowledge device, trade named: BOOK
BOOK is a revolutionary breakthrough in technology: no wires, no electric circuits, no batteries, nothing to be connected or switched on. It's so easy to use, even a child can operate it.
Compact and portable, it can be used anywhere -- even sitting in an armchair by the fire -- yet it is powerful enough to hold as much information as a CD-ROM disc. Here's how it works:
BOOK is constructed of sequentially numbered sheets of paper (recyclable), each capable of holding thousands of bits of information. The pages are locked together with a custom-fit device called a binder, which keeps the sheets in their correct sequence.
Opaque Paper Technology (OPT) allows manufacturers to use both sides of the sheet, doubling the information density and cutting costs. Experts are divided on the prospects for further increases in information density; for now, BOOKs with more information simply use more pages.
Each sheet is scanned optically, registering information directly into your brain. A flick of the finger takes you to the next sheet. BOOK may be taken up at any time and used merely by opening it.
Unlike other display devices, BOOK never crashes or requires rebooting, and it can even be dropped on the floor or stepped on without damage. However, it can become unusable if immersed in water for a significant period of time. The "browse" feature allows you to move instantly to any sheet and move forward or backward as you wish. Many come with an "index" feature, which pinpoints the exact location of selected information for instant retrieval.
An optional "BOOKmark" accessory allows you to open BOOK to the exact place you left it in a previous session -- even if the BOOK has been closed. BOOKmarks fit universal design standards; thus, a single BOOKmark can be used in BOOKs by various manufacturers. Conversely, numerous BOOKmarkers can be used in a single BOOK if the user wants to store numerous views at once. The number is limited only by the number of pages in the BOOK.
You can also make personal notes next to BOOK text entries with an optional programming tool, the Portable Erasable Nib Cryptic Intercommunication Language Stylus (PENCILS).
Portable, durable, and affordable, BOOK is being hailed as a precursor of a new entertainment wave. Also, BOOK's appeal seems so certain that thousands of content creators have committed to the platform and investors are reportedly flocking. Look for a flood of new titles soon. ============================================================
Curiously enough, I was talking to a friend a few weeks back about the various formats available for storing information and asked him which format he would use if he wanted to keep something for a very long time. He told me about reading an article where experts had pondered that very question. After considerable weighing of the pros and cons, the experts had decided that books were the best overall solution; specifically books using acid-free paper that were stored in controlled humidity environments. I had assumed that a CD or a hard drive or someother electronic format would win but good old paper had triumphed.
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Chris Uppal - 26 Jan 2006 16:16 GMT Rhino quoted:
> Introducing the new Bio-Optic Organized Knowledge device, trade > named: BOOK It won't catch on until they work out how to make porn BOOKs.
-- chris
Thomas Weidenfeller - 26 Jan 2006 16:35 GMT > I had > assumed that a CD or a hard drive or someother electronic format would win > but good old paper had triumphed. Look up the expected lifespan of a CD. You might be shocked. Depending on whom you belief and which type it is, you find values between just 5 to ten years, or probably a hundred years.
Still, hundred years is nothing in historic dimensions. And then you have to solve the problem of getting a player in 100 years ...
/Thomas
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Michael Redlich - 26 Jan 2006 17:05 GMT > Curiously enough, I was talking to a friend a few weeks back about the > various formats available for storing information and asked him which format [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > assumed that a CD or a hard drive or someother electronic format would win > but good old paper had triumphed. Rhino:
Thanks for sharing that...
Back in the early 90s, computers where supposed to create the "paperless office" So much for that paradigm...
Mike.
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Tris Orendorff - 03 Feb 2006 01:24 GMT > Back in the early 90s, computers where supposed to create the > "paperless office" So much for that paradigm... Actually it was predicted from 1977 to now and they are still waiting for it.
Michael Redlich - 03 Feb 2006 02:29 GMT > "Michael Redlich" <mike@redlich.net> burped up warm pablum in Hmmm, interesting choice of words, but I don't remember tasting it...
:-)
> > Back in the early 90s, computers where supposed to create the > > "paperless office" So much for that paradigm... > > Actually it was predicted from 1977 to now and they are still waiting for > it. True, but back then, no one had at least one computer on their desk at work and at least one computer in their home.
I was also in high school learning FORTRAN IV and using IBM punch cards.
Mike.
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Oliver Wong - 26 Jan 2006 17:24 GMT > Introducing the new Bio-Optic Organized Knowledge device, trade > named: BOOK Yes, but does it run Linux?
> Curiously enough, I was talking to a friend a few weeks back about the > various formats available for storing information and asked him which [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > environments. I had assumed that a CD or a hard drive or someother > electronic format would win but good old paper had triumphed. When NASA sends material messages (as opposed electromagnetic messages, or laser/radio signals) into space, where it is difficult to control the environment in any way at all, let alone humidity, they use gold-anodized aluminum plaques, and inscribe their message onto it.
http://spaceprojects.arc.nasa.gov/Space_Projects/pioneer/PNimgs/Plaque.gif
- Oliver
Chris Uppal - 26 Jan 2006 17:55 GMT > When NASA sends material messages (as opposed electromagnetic > messages, or laser/radio signals) into space, where it is difficult to > control the environment in any way at all, let alone humidity, they use > gold-anodized aluminum plaques, and inscribe their message onto it. It'd be nice if they put even a fraction as much effort into creating a sensible "text" in the first place.
-- chris
P.S. Yes, I do realise that it was only a publicity stunt so it doesn't actually matter ;-)
Bent C Dalager - 26 Jan 2006 18:36 GMT >Curiously enough, I was talking to a friend a few weeks back about the >various formats available for storing information and asked him which format [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >assumed that a CD or a hard drive or someother electronic format would win >but good old paper had triumphed. This isn't really all that surprising. Modern storage media have a number of requirements guiding their design and "must last more than a few decades" is simply not one of them. You are expected to have replaced/upgraded your system several times over within that timespan. (Yes, I know that this occasionally doesn't happen but it is what is _supposed_ to happen.)
I am sure we (we as in the human race) could come up with some really long-term ultra-persistent high-density storage medium if we really sunk some resources into it but as there isn't much of a market for that kind of product, it's not something that is just going to happen all on its lonesome.
Ironically, the superiority of paper over modern media might be a consequence of industry today having better product development methodologies than back in the middle ages and beyond. Today, if they have good research telling them that buying a slightly cheaper dye for CD-Rs will reduce the lifespan from 100 years to 10 years and they expect that 10 years is good enough for 99% of the market, then this is what they will do. In the olden days, they wouldn't have the technological know-how to be able to make that kind of decision, so they might end up over-engineering the product. (To the extent that what they did was "engineering" anyway. They might just have gotten lucky.)
Incidentally, this is also why I think that what NASA heralds as an outstanding success in having the Mars rovers last for months and months after their best-before dates is actually more of a failure on their part. If they wanted rovers that would last years, then that is what they should have designed for in the first place. If they only needed them for a couple of months, however, they could obviously have gotten away with less expensive products, thereby freeing funds for more research on other missions. It seems clear that the developers didn't really have a clear idea what kind of environment they were designing for and so they drastically over-engineered the rovers. (Not that I blame them for that - many things we simply don't know yet - but it's still not an example of excellent product design.)
Of course, the same philosophy applies to software: don't spend precious resources building features you won't actually be needing.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 26 Jan 2006 21:04 GMT > Incidentally, this is also why I think that what NASA heralds as an > outstanding success in having the Mars rovers last for months and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > things we simply don't know yet - but it's still not an example of > excellent product design.) Having worked in the aerospace industry, I can almost guarantee you that the rover's level of quality depended on the traditional "fast, cheap, or good: choose two" rule. There just isn't the funding to do as good a job as you'd like.
> Of course, the same philosophy applies to software: don't spend > precious resources building features you won't actually be needing. > > Cheers Bent D
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Ingo R. Homann - 27 Jan 2006 10:56 GMT Hi,
I think, today, for most information there is no optimal medium - not electronic nor BOOK:
What would be the advantage for future generations to have all the knowledge from the past on *paper*? It is simply impossible to search for the information they will need. It is practically impossible to make backups - or do you really want to copy 1.000.000.000.000 pages of paper? (And of course you do need some backups because paper burns very good! ;-) Making a copy decreases the quality significantly. You cannot easily update the information you stored. You need thousands of rooms to store the paper. ...
The one and only solution for this is to store the information electronically and to convert it every - lets say 20-30 years - so that they are readable (and indexable) by the technology that is up-to-date at that moment. Of course, this is expensive (hardware and software-formats change). But it is less expensive than to solve the problems you have with paper!
Ciao, Ingo
Roedy Green - 27 Jan 2006 11:22 GMT On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:56:14 +0100, "Ingo R. Homann" <ihomann_spam@web.de> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>t is practically impossible to make >backups - or do you really want to copy 1.000.000.000.000 pages of >paper? We lost the library at Alexandria due to a ancient version of Bush. Even if the backup itself is delicate, if copying is cheap enough, there may be enough copies to survive, so long as mankind does not go through a period where he cannot refresh copies.
We are in such better position than in the ancient world where your only option was hiring a scribe to hand-write new copy.
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Ingo R. Homann - 27 Jan 2006 13:40 GMT Hi,
>>t is practically impossible to make >>backups - or do you really want to copy 1.000.000.000.000 pages of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > We are in such better position than in the ancient world where your > only option was hiring a scribe to hand-write new copy. I am not sure if we are in a better position: Is it really faster/easier/cheaper to copy 100.000.000.000 (paper-)pages semi-automaticaly, than to copy 10.000 pages manually (by hand-writing)?
Ciao, Ingo
Monique Y. Mudama - 27 Jan 2006 22:45 GMT > 1.000.000.000.000 pages of paper? (And of course you do need some > backups because paper burns very good! ;-) I think I remember hearing that stacks of paper actually don't burn well at all -- there's too little available oxygen. Crumpled paper, of course, is a different story.
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Thomas Weidenfeller - 30 Jan 2006 08:12 GMT > I think I remember hearing that stacks of paper actually don't burn
> well at all -- there's too little available oxygen. Crumpled paper, > of course, is a different story. This is how it looks when a few tenth of thousands of historic books burn. And they do burn:
http://www.anna-amalia-library.com/ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Brand_Anna_Amalia_22.30Uhr.JPG http://www.thueringen.de/de/index.asp?unten=http://www.thueringen.de/de/politisc h/aktuell/17511/index.html
50.000 historic books completely lost, 60.000 more damaged in one night. The library didn't have a decent fire extinguishing system, because they planed to move into a new building "real soon now" ... famous last words.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 30 Jan 2006 22:15 GMT > > I think I remember hearing that stacks of paper actually don't burn >> well at all -- there's too little available oxygen. Crumpled paper, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The library didn't have a decent fire extinguishing system, because they > planed to move into a new building "real soon now" ... famous last words. Oof.
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Ingo R. Homann - 30 Jan 2006 10:46 GMT Hi,
>>1.000.000.000.000 pages of paper? (And of course you do need some >>backups because paper burns very good! ;-) > > I think I remember hearing that stacks of paper actually don't burn > well at all -- there's too little available oxygen. Crumpled paper, > of course, is a different story. Well, a stack of paper does not burn as fast as crumpled paper, that's right. But it does burn at least as good as wood.
Ciao, Ingo
Monique Y. Mudama - 30 Jan 2006 22:07 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Well, a stack of paper does not burn as fast as crumpled paper, > that's right. But it does burn at least as good as wood. Yeah, you're probably right.
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P.Hill - 31 Jan 2006 04:12 GMT > This isn't really all that surprising. Modern storage media have a > number of requirements guiding their design and "must last more than a > few decades" is simply not one of them. You are expected to have > replaced/upgraded your system several times over within that > timespan. (Yes, I know that this occasionally doesn't happen but it is > what is _supposed_ to happen.)
> I am sure we (we as in the human race) could come up with some really > long-term ultra-persistent high-density storage medium if we really > sunk some resources into it but as there isn't much of a market for > that kind of product, it's not something that is just going to happen > all on its lonesome. Luckily as the uses for modern media increases so do the different markets, not all of which have the same requirements that generated the initial technology. Now that most major libraries in the world have at least some electronic material, there is a growing market for something which does last longer. The first baby step along that path was different but more expensive material for CDs, no where near a long term solution, just longer than the mass market version.
The problem of the availability of a reader will continue to be a problem.
>(To the extent that > what they did was "engineering" anyway. They might just have gotten > lucky.) It certainly was engineering, they didn't use certain dies and certain skins arbitrarily, consider the difference between the nearly faded US Declaration of Independence, and various manuscripts from much longer ago. The one used fine but off-the-shelf ink, while many from longer ago where thinking about longer term and using something known to be better.
-Paul
Ingo R. Homann - 31 Jan 2006 09:41 GMT Hi,
> Luckily as the uses for modern media increases so do the different > markets, not all of which have the same requirements that generated the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The problem of the availability of a reader will continue to be a problem. IMHO, it's not only the problem of availability:
Would you really *like* to handle several 8"-disks today to "read" a single book on an 12"-monochrome-display?
I think, technology always advances, and it is *really* a good idea to copy the data form one medium to another every 20-30 years. I think is is much cheaper to do such copying, than to get a *really* old drive (which does not work in modern computers) and because of this, also get an *really* old computer (from which perhaps you cannot copy the data).
And, as I said, it is not only cheaper, but also much more comfortable.
Ciao, Ingo
P.Hill - 01 Feb 2006 04:03 GMT > I think, technology always advances, and it is *really* a good idea to > copy the data form one medium to another every 20-30 years. Despite it being a really good idea, this solution pales when compared to 'old dusty books on shelves'. Coping, be it old manuscripts or computer media, is an active solution -- it requires someone to continue to do something within the life span of storage technology. Old books, manuscripts and monuments are only limited by the much longer life span of changing use and tastes in human languages and a societies caring about a text. That is a much longer life cycle -- not an infinite one -- but one on a time scale of 100s to 1000s of years for written languages. The examples of Greek and Roman texts eventually copied several time into Arabic and eventually recopied many times into Latin which were eventually copied into many modern languages. Each of those required a 'media' change roughly every 500 years and a recopy more often just to keep the reading 'technology' and storage technology (the humans :-) usable. Those where the books people cared about. Then consider the modern recovery of ancient texts found in Egypt or Ethiopia. The 'refresh' to new 'media' might have only occurred after 1500-2000 years. Now that's a shelflife!
Meanwhile, recovering the ability to read Mayan hieroglyphics took near 100 years, but luckily the media, aka the stone monuments (but not the manuscripts) has a much better shelflife than computer media.
-Paul
Ingo R. Homann - 01 Feb 2006 08:32 GMT Hi,
> Despite it being a really good idea, this solution pales when compared > to 'old dusty books on shelves'. Coping, be it old manuscripts or [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > near 100 years, but luckily the media, aka the stone monuments (but not > the manuscripts) has a much better shelflife than computer media. I see your point and agree to it (somehow :-)
But I think, there are two points you did not consider:
(1) A few thousands years ago, there were much less information to store. The gogols of data we have today, cannot be stored in a similar way - it is just to much: (a) It would be just too much paper and you would need extremely large buildings to store the stacks of paper. (b) Who should read them? You need some kind of indexing-machanism, and a normal "table of contents" does not really fit the modern requirements. There *must* be a possibility to do an advanced full-text-search. (Why do you think, google is so successful?)
(2) If you want to store your "stacks of paper" in a *safe* way (especially in this amounts), this is also an "active solution". The buildings have to be air-conditioned, you need sprinklers against fire (which needs to be maintenanced), you need a security firm and so on... I think, just copying "some" DVDs every 20 years is *much* cheaper!
Ciao, Ingo
P.Hill - 02 Feb 2006 06:53 GMT > I think, just copying "some" DVDs every 20 years is *much* cheaper! Your CDs verses climate an accident controlled library seems like a very worthy comparison.
Well back to Java.
-Paul
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