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questionmarc420@msn.com - 23 Jan 2006 19:08 GMT
hi,
ivebeen pulling my hair our on this for a while now. I receive a string
called data body.

it comes like the code below.
however when i display it on an html page. the spacign is gone.

////format paragraphs
data_body = data_body.replaceAll("\n  ","<br><br>");
data_body = data_body.replaceAll("\n\n","<br><br>");
data_body = data_body.replaceAll("\t","<br><br>");
data_body = data_body.replaceAll("<br><br><br>","<br>");

this is the code i used to try an format it placing it in paragraph
form. now i don't think my code here is very good or strong.
suggestions owuld be nice but that is not hte question im asking.

if u notice hte financial sheets, i need to surround these in a <pre>
tags. and i don't know how to go about this.  because i can't find
anythign indicating the start of the sheet.. for me to replace or add a
<pre> tag and close it as well.

if anyone has any ideas please post
thanks
-morc

<string>
>CHINO, Calif., Jan. 23, 2006 (PRIMEZONE) -- The Board of Directors of Chino
Commercial Bank, N.A. (OTCBB:CKNA) announced the results of operations
for the
year ended December 31, 2005 with net income of $885,173, a 52.3%
increase over
net income of $581,381 for December 31, 2004. Net income per share for
the year
ended December 31, 2005 was $1.08 per share as compared to $0.71 per
share for
the year ended December 31, 2004. Net income per fully diluted share
was $1.00
and $0.66 for the years ended December 31, 2005 and 2004, respectively.

Net income for the fourth quarter ended December 31, 2005 was $268,666
or $0.30
per diluted share, a 57.9% increase compared to $170,185 or $0.19 per
diluted
share for the fourth quarter of 2004.

Dann H. Bowman, President and Chief Executive Officer stated, "We are
very
pleased with the continued growth and profitability of the Bank as we
complete
our fifth full year end. Net earnings represent a return on beginning
equity of
15.0% and a return of average assets of 1.05%. Deposit and Loan
balances
increased this year by 18.8% and 21.5%, respectively, allowing the Bank
to show
improved stability of earnings and efficiency. Along with this growth,
at fiscal
year end the Bank reported no loan delinquencies and no loan losses for
the
entire year."

Financial Condition

At December 31, 2005, total assets were $91.3 million, an increase of
$14.2
million or 18.5% from December 31, 2004.

Total loans increased to $41.8 million at December 31, 2005 from $34.4
million
at December 31, 2004 or an increase of 21.5%. The growth was primarily
in real
estate secured lending.

Total deposits increased by 18.8% to $84.0 million at December 31, 2005
from
$70.7 million at December 31, 2004. Non-interest bearing deposits
increased by
$6.5 million or 11.6% since December 31, 2004, and at year end
represented 74.5%
of total deposits.

Chino Commercial Bank's risk-based capital ratios were 12.14% for Tier
1
capital, 13.20% for Risk-based capital and 7.54% for Leverage capital
on
December 31, 2005.

Earnings

The Bank posted net interest income of $4,001,071 for the year ended
December
31, 2005 as compared to $2,914,252 for the year ended December 31,
2004. Average
interest-earning assets were $78.0 million with average
interest-bearing
liabilities of $18.2 million yielding a net interest margin of 5.13%
for the
year ended December 31, 2005 as compared to average interest-bearing
assets of
$65.0 million with average interest-bearing liabilities of $13.7
million
yielding a net interest margin of 4.48% for the year ended December 31,
2004.
The 65 basis points increase in the net interest margin was the result
of the
higher average balances as the Bank continues to grow and the effect of
upward
repricing of the benchmark for Federal funds.

The Bank posted net interest income of $1,103,311 for the three months
ended
December 31, 2005 as compared to $816,772 for the three months ended
December
31, 2004. Average interest-earning assets were $82.9 million with
average
interest-bearing liabilities of $21.6 million yielding a net interest
margin of
5.32% for the fourth quarter of 2005 as compared to average
interest-bearing
assets of $70.1 million with average interest-bearing liabilities of
$14.7
million yielding a net interest margin of 4.66% for the three months
ended
December 31, 2004.

Non-interest income totaled $553,272 or a decrease of 0.8% from
$557,509 earned
during the year ended December 31, 2004. Service charges on deposit
accounts
increased 7.5% to $461,678 due to higher volume of deposit accounts.
Income from
Mortgage Banking decreased by 73.3% to $17,697 due to reduced activity
in the
refinance market. Income from bank owned life insurance increased by
7.9% to
$64,421 as the Bank purchased policies totaling $1.3 million at the end
of
January 2004.

Non-interest income totaled $134,745 or an 8.3% decline from the fourth
quarter
of 2004. Service charges on deposit accounts decreased 4.6% to $115,002
due to
the lower volume of overdraft and return item charges. There was no
income from
Mortgage Banking during the fourth quarter of 2005 as compared to
$12,273 in the
fourth quarter 0f 2004.

General and administrative expenses were $753,250 for the three months
ended
December 31, 2005 as compared to $642,636 for the three months ended
December
31, 2004. General and administrative expenses were $2,965,458 for the
year ended
December 31, 2005 as compared to $2,476,404 for the year ended December
31,
2004. The largest component of general and administrative expenses was
salary
and benefits expense of $385,900 for the three months ended December
31, 2005 as
compared to $326,003 for the three months ended December 31, 2004.
Salary and
benefits expense were $1,451,897 for the year ended December 31, 2005
as
compared to $1,234,509 for the year ended December 31, 2004. The
increase in
Salary and benefits expenses are reflective of the staff and salary
increases,
incentive compensation and the increase in retirement plan accruals.
Other
components of general and administrative expenses that affected the
increase
were Advertising and Marketing expenses which increased by $20,049 for
the
comparable three month period and increased by $50,305 for the
comparable twelve
month period due primarily to various marketing campaigns. Other
expenses
increased by $17,938 for the comparable three month period and
increased by
$175,525 for the comparable twelve month period due primarily to
courier costs
and client service charges that were affected by an increase in escrow
deposits.

Income tax expense was $173,640 for the three months ended December 31,
2005 as
compared to $102,749 for the three months ended December 31, 2004.
Income tax
expenses were $566,619 for the year ended December 31, 2005 as compared
to
$336,328 for the year ended December 31, 2004. The effective income tax
rate
increased from approximately 37% for the year ended 2004 to 39% for the
year
ended 2005 as various tax credits expired during the year in 2004.

The foregoing contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of
the
Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements are
not
historical facts and include expressions about the Bank's plans,
objectives,
management's expectations, intentions, relationships, opportunities,
and
technology and market condition statements. When used in these
presentations,
the words "expects," "anticipates," "intends," "plans," "believes,"
"seeks,"
"estimates," or words of similar meaning, or future or conditional
verbs, such
as "will," "would," "should," "could," or "may" are generally intended
to
identify forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements
are
inherently subject to significant business, economic and competitive
uncertainties and contingencies, many of which are beyond the Bank's
control. In
addition, these forward-looking statements are subject to assumptions
with
respect to future business strategies and decisions that are subject to
change.
Actual results may differ materially from the results discussed in
these
forward-looking statements for the reasons, among others, discussed in
Bank's
Annual Report on Form 10-KSB for the year ended December 31, 2005,
which
include: changes in general business and economic conditions may
significantly
affect the Bank's earnings; changes in level of market interest rates;
changes
in credit risks of lending activities and competitive factors;
effective income
tax rates, relationships with major customers, extent and timing of
legislative
and regulatory actions and reforms. The Bank is not obligated to update
and does
not undertake to update any of its forward-looking statements made
herein.

                        CHINO COMMERCIAL BANK
                  STATEMENT OF FINANCIAL CONDITION

                                                 December 31,
                                             2005           2004
                                          -----------    -----------
                                          (unaudited)
ASSETS:

Cash and due from banks                   $ 5,328,842    $ 2,374,688
Federal Funds sold                         11,370,000     10,925,000
                                          -----------    -----------
  Cash and cash equivalents                16,698,842     13,299,688

Interest-bearing deposits at banks          6,030,000      6,271,000
Investment Securities available for sale   16,311,377     15,562,826

Investment Securities held to maturity
 (fair value approximates  $5,764,134 at
 December 31, 2005 and $4,859,395 at
 December 31, 2004)                         5,850,687      4,801,024
Federal Reserve Bank stock, at cost           159,600        159,600
Federal Home Loan Bank stock, at cost         362,600        283,500
Pacific Coast Bankers' Bank stock,
 at cost                                       50,000         50,000
Loans
  Construction                              2,790,712      3,520,772
  Real estate                              30,444,344     23,886,582
  Commercial                                8,295,573      6,534,464
  Installment                                 633,504        635,609
  Farm/Agriculture                            330,920        346,261
  Unearned fees, net                         (144,106)      (119,328)
  Allowance for loan losses                  (544,140)      (407,046)
                                          -----------    -----------
   Loans, net                              41,806,807     34,397,314
                                          -----------    -----------
Fixed assets, net                           1,936,168        389,965

Accrued interest receivable                   314,849        258,528
Prepaid &amp; other assets                      1,811,979
1,612,617
                                          -----------    -----------
   Total Assets                           $91,332,909    $77,086,062
                                          ===========    ===========

LIABILITIES:

Deposits
 Non-interest bearing                     $62,610,963    $56,112,375
 Interest bearing
  Money market &amp; NOW                       16,793,824
10,231,507
  Savings                                     913,249        926,275
  Time deposits of $100,000 or
   greater, due in one year                 2,216,104      1,802,181
  Time deposits less than
   $100,000, due in one year                1,487,803      1,668,794
                                          -----------    -----------
     Total Deposits                        84,021,943     70,741,132
                                          -----------    -----------

Accrued interest payable                       28,858         20,642
Accrued expenses &amp; other payables             588,068
422,994
                                          -----------    -----------
     Total Liabilities                     84,638,869     71,184,768
                                          -----------    -----------

STOCKHOLDERS' EQUITY
 Common Stock, authorized 10,000,000
  shares with a par value of $3.33 per
  share; issued and outstanding
  818,453 at December 31, 2005 and
  December 31, 2004, respectively           2,728,230      2,728,230
 Additional paid-in capital                 2,590,600      2,590,600
 Accumulated earnings                       1,497,818        612,645
 Accumulated other comprehensive income      (122,608)       (30,181)
                                          -----------    -----------
   Total Stockholders' Equity               6,694,040      5,901,294
                                          -----------    -----------
   Total Liabilities &amp; Equity             $91,332,909
$77,086,062
                                          ===========    ===========

                        CHINO COMMERCIAL BANK
                      STATEMENTS OF OPERATIONS

                              For the                 For the
                         Three months ending        Year ending
                             December 31,           December 31,
                        ---------------------   ---------------------
                           2005       2004         2005       2004
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
                       (unaudited)             (unaudited)
Interest Income
 Interest Income
  - Securities          $ 277,341   $ 233,873   $ 985,773   $ 777,001
 Interest Income
  - Fed Funds             123,700      43,746     386,707     138,011
 Interest and fee income
  on Loans                781,875     587,188   2,888,186   2,170,806
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
   Total Interest
    Income              1,182,916     864,807   4,260,666   3,085,818
                        ----------   ---------  ---------   ---------
Interest Expense
 Interest Expense
  - Deposits               79,605      48,035     259,595     171,566
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
    Total Interest
     Expense               79,605      48,035     259,595     171,566
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
  Total net interest
   income               1,103,311     816,772   4,001,071   2,914,252
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
Provision for loan
  losses                   42,500      48,094     137,093      77,648
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
  Total net interest
   income after
   provision for loan
   losses               1,060,811     768,678   3,863,978   2,836,604
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
Non-interest income
 Service Charges on
  Deposit Accounts        115,002     120,601     461,678     429,622
 Other miscellaneous
  fee income                3,309      (2,295)      9,476       1,993
 Income from Mortgage
  Banking                      --      12,273      17,697      66,207
 Income from Bank owned
  life insurance           16,434      16,313      64,421      59,687
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
   Total Non-interest
    income                134,745     146,892     553,272     557,509
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
General &amp; Administrative
Expenses
 Salaries &amp; Benefits      385,900     326,003   1,451,897
1,234,509
 Occupancy &amp; Equipment     69,245      65,979     263,418
254,320
 Data &amp; Item Processing    60,881      47,536     223,603
191,533
 Advertising &amp; Marketing   34,154      14,105     127,944
77,639
 Audit &amp; Professional
  fees                     30,895      38,558     163,546     172,185
 Insurance                  6,197       6,012      24,198      23,106
 Directors' fees and
  expenses                 21,187      17,590      78,249      66,034
 Other expenses           144,791     126,853     632,603     457,078
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
    Total general &amp;
     administrative
     expenses             753,250     642,636   2,965,458   2,476,404
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------

  Income before income
   tax expense            442,306     272,934   1,451,792     917,709
Income tax expense        173,640     102,749     566,619     336,328
                        ---------   ---------   ---------   ---------
    Net income          $ 268,666   $ 170,185   $ 885,173   $ 581,381
                        =========   =========   =========   =========
Basic Earnings
 per share             $    0.33   $    0.21   $    1.08   $    0.71
                        =========   =========   =========   =========
Diluted Earnings
 per share              $    0.30   $    0.19   $    1.00   $    0.66
                        =========   =========   =========   =========

                        CHINO COMMERCIAL BANK
                    Selected Financial Highlights

                                 For the             For the
                           Three months ended       Year ended
                              December 31,          December 31,
                          --------------------  --------------------
                             2005       2004       2005      2004
                          ----------  --------  ---------  ---------
Selected Operating Data:
 Net interest income      $1,103,311   816,772  4,001,071  2,914,252
 Provision for loan
  losses                      42,500    48,094    137,093     77,648
 Non-interest income         134,745   146,892    553,272    557,509
 Non-interest expense        753,250   642,636  2,965,458  2,476,404
 Net income               $  268,666   170,185    885,173    581,381
Share Data:
 Basic income per share   $     0.33      0.19       1.08       0.71
 Diluted Income per share $     0.30      0.18       1.00       0.66
 Weighted average common
  shares outstanding
   Basic                     818,453   818,453    818,453    818,453
   Diluted                   884,444   883,672    884,212    881,338

Performance Ratios:
 Return on average assets       1.19%     0.89%      1.05%      0.82%
 Return on average equity      16.27%    11.54%     14.03%     10.26%
 Equity to total assets
  at the end of the period      7.33%     7.66%      7.33%      7.66%
 Net interest spread            4.24%     3.64%      4.04%      3.49%
 Net interest margin            5.32%     4.66%      5.13%      4.48%
 Average interest-earning
  assets to average-
  bearing liabilities         384.62%   477.83%    428.44%    473.56%
 Core efficiency ratio         60.82%    66.70%     65.11%     71.31%
 Non-interest expense to
 average assets                 3.34%     3.37%      3.51%      3.50%

Selected Balance Sheet Data:                 12/31/2005   12/31/2004

  Total assets                              $91,332,909   77,086,062
  Investment securities held to maturity      5,850,687    4,801,024
  Investment securities available for sale   16,311,377   15,562,826
  Loan receivable, net                       41,806,807   34,397,314
  Deposits                                   84,021,943   70,741,132
  Non-interest bearing deposits              62,610,963   56,112,375
  Stockholders' equity                      $ 6,694,040    5,901,294

Regulatory capital ratios:

  Average equity to average assets                 7.46%        8.00%
  Leverage capital                                 7.54%        8.36%
  Tier I risk based                               12.14%       13.80%
  Risk-based capital                              13.21%       14.81%

Asset Quality Ratios:
  Allowance for loan losses as a percent
    of gross loans receivable                      1.28%        1.17%
  Net charge-offs to average loans                  n/a          n/a
  Non-performing loans to total loans               n/a          n/a

Number of full-service customer facilities            1            1

CONTACT: Chino Commercial Bank, N.A.
              Dann H. Bowman, President and CEO
              Jo Anne Painter, Executive Vice President and CFO
              (909) 393-8880

</string>
Oliver Wong - 23 Jan 2006 19:12 GMT
> hi,
> ivebeen pulling my hair our on this for a while now. I receive a string
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> <string>
[long example string snipped]
> </string>

   You could just surround the entire string with <pre> and </pre>, and
forget about all your calls to replaceAll().

data_body = "<pre>" + data_body + "</pre>";

   - Oliver
questionmarc420@msn.com - 23 Jan 2006 19:20 GMT
i'd like to  but unforutnaly i need the text to go the full length of
the page when minimized or maximized. in doing what us uggested it
would always be the same minimized or maximized.
Oliver Wong - 23 Jan 2006 20:09 GMT
> i'd like to  but unforutnaly i need the text to go the full length of
> the page when minimized or maximized. in doing what us uggested it
> would always be the same minimized or maximized.

   Your code, which looks like:

data_body = data_body.replaceAll("\n  ","<br><br>");

   will also prevent the text from spanning the entire width of the page.

   - Oliver
questionmarc420@msn.com - 23 Jan 2006 21:02 GMT
no.  youre wrong wong
Roedy Green - 23 Jan 2006 21:05 GMT
>no.  youre wrong wong

You are correct in that he is wrong, but it behooves you to point out
the error and the correction.
Signature

Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.

questionmarc420@msn.com - 23 Jan 2006 21:11 GMT
two wrongs don't make a right.
please don't post unless it has something to do wiht original post
Luc The Perverse - 23 Jan 2006 21:38 GMT
> two wrongs don't make a right.
> please don't post unless it has something to do wiht original post

Yes - lets talk about acceptable usenet behavior for a second please.

1. Using proper grammer/spelling helps everyone to understand your
point/makes you look less dumb (the latter point should be of particular
interest to you)
2. Please quote who and what you are replying to - this way people will know
what you are talking about, without having to backtrack.  Proper quoting
greatly reduces your chances of being plonked (blocked) by the people who
want to help you.
3. Please stop being a dick.  This is a forum of people - if you need
slaves, consider hiring out people in a 3rd world country.  You are not the
king of the thread, NG, etc - and if people with an established reputation
want the thread to drift then that's their prerogative.
4. Notice your hypocrisy in posting an off topic post in the thread.
5. Please consider the conversation - you said "You are wrong wrong wrong"
or something similar with an incrediblely dense collection of english
mistakes as your posts normally contain.   You were kindly asked, by someone
who probably had a genuine interest to help, to explain how this person was
wrong - and what the right answer is since you obviously know it.

You started getting on my bad side with the "no.  youre wrong wong"
gibberish.   A perfectly acceptable reply would have had an attribution,
quote and then stated that you tried this, listed your result and explained
the deviation from your expectation.  You obviously want the thread to stay
on topic, but your trollish tendencies seem to be making that difficult.
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Babu Kalakrishnan - 24 Jan 2006 18:12 GMT
> Yes - lets talk about acceptable usenet behavior for a second please.

Hmm....

<snip>

> 3. Please stop being a dick.  This is a forum of people - if you need
> slaves, consider hiring out people in a 3rd world country.

And I suppose a remark that terms people from "third world countries" as
"slaves" is very PROPER usenet behaviour ..

Ever heard something on the lines "Pot.. kettle.. black..." ?

BK
Luc The Perverse - 24 Jan 2006 23:16 GMT
>> Yes - lets talk about acceptable usenet behavior for a second please.
>
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>
> Ever heard something on the lines "Pot.. kettle.. black..." ?

Sorry - what I meant was that if you offer someone about 3-10 times their
normal wages they will typically be eager to be at your service.   It was my
impression that he could not afford to do this with most Java programmers in
a developed country.

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Michael Redlich - 25 Jan 2006 13:04 GMT
> Yes - lets talk about acceptable usenet behavior for a second please.

> 3. Please stop being a dick.  This is a forum of people - if you need
> slaves, consider hiring out people in a 3rd world country.  You are not the
> king of the thread, NG, etc - and if people with an established reputation
> want the thread to drift then that's their prerogative.

I believe that watching your use of language should be included in your
list, eh??

Talk about hypocrisy...

Mike.
Luc The Perverse - 25 Jan 2006 20:23 GMT
>> Yes - lets talk about acceptable usenet behavior for a second please.
>
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>
> Talk about hypocrisy...

^^

Appearantly I pissed everyone off - sorry about that.

But am I the only one that finds it offensive for someone to march into a
group, post a question and expect everyone in the group to bend over
backwards for them?
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questionmarc420@msn.com - 25 Jan 2006 20:28 GMT
no but u might be the only one who thinks i expected anyone to bend
over backwards for me.
Luc The Perverse - 25 Jan 2006 20:49 GMT
> no but u might be the only one who thinks i expected anyone to bend
> over backwards for me.

no you are wrong wrong - and two wrongs don't make a right - so I suppose it
would just be better if everyone would focus their efforts on answering the
original question.

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Chris Uppal - 25 Jan 2006 20:47 GMT
> But am I the only one that finds it offensive for someone to march into a
> group, post a question and expect everyone in the group to bend over
> backwards for them?

Not in the least.

But for me questionmarc420@msn.com is just another Google-powered looser.  They
proliferate like malaria parasites and have about as much willingness to learn
the norms of the communities they are invading[*], or even just to behave with
ordinary courtesy.

There are too many of them, and there is nothing to be done but ignore them or
give up Usenet altogether.

   -- chris

[*] There are some important exceptions, of course.
Luc The Perverse - 25 Jan 2006 20:55 GMT
>> But am I the only one that finds it offensive for someone to march into a
>> group, post a question and expect everyone in the group to bend over
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>
> [*] There are some important exceptions, of course.

I hadn't thought of it that way - perhaps I should start ignoring, one
killfile at a time!

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Oliver Wong - 25 Jan 2006 21:05 GMT
>>> Yes - lets talk about acceptable usenet behavior for a second please.
>>
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>
> Appearantly I pissed everyone off - sorry about that.

   I didn't think you had any malicious intent when you wrote the above, so
it didn't bother me.

> But am I the only one that finds it offensive for someone to march into a
> group, post a question and expect everyone in the group to bend over
> backwards for them?

   Maybe you get offended too easily. =) It's an unmoderated newsgroup, so
anyone is free to make posts demanding anything they want, and we are free
to either follow those demands (as I initially tried), or ignore them (as
many others have done), or make posts explaining to that first person that
they shouldn't be so demanding (as you have done), etc.

   I was trying to help questionmarc420 out, but it quickly became
apparently that I was giving out bad or incorrect advice, so I figured I'd
better shut up and not cause any more harm, right? ;)

   questionmarc420 asked (told?) people not to reply to this thread unless
it had some relevance to the original topic. I obeyed this request for a
while and didn't post anything new, but now I've changed my mind and replied
to the thread in the form of the post you are reading right now. And this
post doesn't have much to do with the original post of this thread.

   On the chance that questionmarc420 doesn't get satisfactory help to
his/her initial problem and can't figure out why, (s)he may be interested in
reading this:

http://mindprod.com/jgloss/newsgroups.html#GIFTHORSE

   - Oliver
morc - 25 Jan 2006 21:12 GMT
thank you wong. I had no mailcious intent.  And im happy the person who
i was accused of being offensive too doesn't think so either.
i think most of you guys should calm down. It woulda probably been
easier to ignore this then too start a flamefest.
Luc The Perverse - 26 Jan 2006 00:51 GMT
> thank you wong. I had no mailcious intent.  And im happy the person who
> i was accused of being offensive too doesn't think so either.
> i think most of you guys should calm down. It woulda probably been
> easier to ignore this then too start a flamefest.

My usenet history is alt.games.* and I have affiliated myself in the past
with online organizations whose primary purpose is trolling, flaming and
hostile group take overs - these usenet armies would "Attack" an enemy group
by posting hundreds and hundreds of posts of useless drivel.

I have tried to take myself down - but I do have the occassional knee jerk
reaction.  I realize comp.* is not alt.* and try to act [more]
appropriately.  But I can't stop being me - and wouldn't want to anyway.

Seriously I was trying to give you some advice - and chose the wrong method
of delivery.   You didn't "offend" me - and I certainly hope you didn't take
anything I said too seriously.

Although I really would appreciate it if you would start quoting - if you
don't know what this means, or how to do it we would be more than happy to
help you.

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Michael Redlich - 26 Jan 2006 01:59 GMT
> Appearantly I pissed everyone off - sorry about that.
>
> But am I the only one that finds it offensive for someone to march into a
> group, post a question and expect everyone in the group to bend over
> backwards for them?

Luc:

To be quite honest, I didn't find that questionmarc420 was expecting
everyone to drop what they were doing to help him.  I will say that his
post was a bit long-winded, but there seemed to be a significant effort
on his part to solve the problem.

What really burns my butt (other than a three-foot high flame) are all
those students that procrastinate with their computing projects, and
post desperate cries for help as the deadline draws near.  Did you
happen to see the thread where a student was offering 30 pounds to
complete his project?  Amazing...

Anywho, what's done is done, and the time has come to move forward!
What's cool about groups like this is the fact that it's a place to
share experiences, knowledge, and skills.  That's what it's all about!

I had my growing pains with these groups as well.  Early last month, I
posted an announcement about an upcoming Java Users Group event, and it
apparently irked a few people.  One person in particular thought it
would be *cute* to be a wise guy.  I was even being accused of being a
spammer.  I would have appreciated a tactful response saying that I
shouldn't be doing that.  As a result, I responded in a negative way as
well, and it got a bit ugly.  It turns out that the person who started
the whole mess is actually quite talented, and has some intelligence,
but he could have fooled me with his initial response.  You know what
they say about first impressions...

Mike.

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Roedy Green - 26 Jan 2006 03:00 GMT
>I was even being accused of being a
>spammer.

I got accused of this too for answering the question on a subject line
instead of the one buried in one of the posts in the thread.  I
suspect  "spammer" is becoming the geek word for "mutherfucker".  It
is not meant to be taken literally any more than "mutherfucker" is.

Either that, or people are stupid to use a word they don't know
meaning of.
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Michael Redlich - 26 Jan 2006 03:56 GMT
> I got accused of this too for answering the question on a subject line
> instead of the one buried in one of the posts in the thread.  I
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> Either that, or people are stupid to use a word they don't know
> meaning of.

Hi Roedy:

I was very surprised at how many people would consider posting a Java
User Group meeting announcement as "spam."  There was some discussion
about this on "Programmer's Avenue" recently.

I realize that these groups are global, but if I happen to see an
announcement about a Java User Group meeting in, say, Seattle,
Washington, and I'm sitting in New Jersey, my reaction would simply be,
"Well, it would be nice to attend this one, but..."  One would think
that Java developers would appreciate hearing about this kind of
stuff...

Oh well, maybe I'm just from the "old school."

Anywho, I've been meaning to tell you how much I like your web site.
It's an excellent resource, and I've noticed that you can answer
questions simply by pointing to a section of your web site.  Cool!

Sincerely,

Mike.

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Roedy Green - 26 Jan 2006 05:26 GMT
> I've noticed that you can answer
>questions simply by pointing to a section of your web site.  Cool!

Much of the time that is an illusion. I compose an answer, post it to
the website, then point to it, making it look as if the answers to all
questions were preexisting.  see
http://mindprod.com/jgloss/author.html
for my essay on this sort of magic.

I figure that is the best way of preparing content that people
actually want to read.

What is amusing is sometimes people berate me for my laziness in
posting links.  It takes quite a bit more work to prepare an answer
for the website in nicely formatted HTML, proofread, and knowing this
is not just a one-shot response, but a public announcement for
possibly years to come, that will be read outside the context of the
thread that sparked it and by a wider audience than is involved in a
thread, that needs use a variety of vocabulary to let people find it
by Google, containing answers to related questions...

Even when a link is pre-existing, I often freshen  it before posting
the link to bring it up to date, fix broken links etc.
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javabuddha@gmail.com - 26 Jan 2006 17:37 GMT
I think it's a great that you have ready polished answers stored at
your site.
It's more work, but a lot more useful as future references.  I just
started a site
where I hope that everyone could do the same at:

http://www.suckingfish.com/viewTag.do?tags=java

I am hoping with more people contributing, the answers could get
polished
and improved through time.  So far the concept is working out fairly
well, if you type in "learning lucene" in Google, one of the topics is
actually the first link.  However, as you know, these answers and links
take time to compose so it's still a question mark on how many people
would spend the time to do so.

Matt

> > I've noticed that you can answer
> >questions simply by pointing to a section of your web site.  Cool!
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questionmarc420@msn.com - 24 Jan 2006 20:01 GMT
>please don't post unless it has something to do wiht original post
Roedy Green - 24 Jan 2006 22:38 GMT
>>please don't post unless it has something to do wiht original post

Don't be silly. The best you can hope for is tenuous relevant to post
quted. Topic drift is inevitable.
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Thomas Weidenfeller - 25 Jan 2006 08:21 GMT
> two wrongs don't make a right.
> please don't post unless it has something to do wiht original post

Who are you to tell us?

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