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javac: how to get the FULL errors/warnings list?

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Miguel Farah - 29 Dec 2005 13:49 GMT
I was recently appointed to fix a big source code repository [6000+
Java
files], which -due to poor discipline by the previous manager- is
heavily inconsistent. Its biggest problem is that the source code,
taken
*as is* from our versioning system manager, won't compile. My problem
here is that compiling with javac/ant yields 100 errors displayed on
screen, and any further output is cut off. I need to see ALL the error
messages at once, but I haven't been able to find the javac option to
display unlimited error messages.

This ALSO happens with the warnings, which are cut out at 200, but I
know there are many more (mostly "this class/method has been
deprecated"
messages).

I've tried searching for command-line options in both javac and ant's
online documentations, but haven't found what I need.

I'm using Sun's JVM 1.4.2 and ant 1.5.2 (I know, they're both a bit
old,
but that's what I'm stuck with).

Thanks in advance.
Andrew McDonagh - 29 Dec 2005 13:56 GMT
> I was recently appointed to fix a big source code repository [6000+
> Java
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance.

There's very little use in seeing every compile error, thats why they
don't show them.

Fixing one of them, and this usually will fix several others. So start
with the first error and fix that, then re-compile and tackle the next
error, rinse & repeat....

I'd imagine that if the source won't compile, then its likely that the
documentation to go along with the design is also out of date, so it
would be worth looking for a tool that can reverse engineer the code
into UML.

Borland's Together  application can do this for Java very well, someone
else may know something similar thats free or cheaper...
Miguel  Farah - 29 Dec 2005 14:24 GMT
>There's very little use in seeing every compile error, thats why they
>don't show them.

I need that to be able to write up an "estimated" time to fix the
problem.
More so with the warnings, as the project to erase the dependency
warnings has a budget and therefore requires knowing how much time
will it take.

>Fixing one of them, and this usually will fix several others. So start
>with the first error and fix that, then re-compile and tackle the next
>error, rinse & repeat....

It's what I'm doing, but I'd love to be able how much more do I need to
fix. :-/
Mike Schilling - 30 Dec 2005 05:47 GMT
> >There's very little use in seeing every compile error, thats why they
>>don't show them.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> warnings has a budget and therefore requires knowing how much time
> will it take.

You don't need more bad news, I'm sure, but ...

There's no reason to expect that code which doesn't compile will actually
work well once the compilation bugs are fixed, and I'm guessing that a
regime that couldn't keep the code at least building wasn't good about
enforcing testing procedures.  So if it were me, I'd estimate how long it
would take to code everything from scratch, and if feeling exceptionally
optimistic, cut that in half.
Miguel  Farah - 30 Dec 2005 15:39 GMT
>You don't need more bad news, I'm sure, but ...

In an ODD way might be good, as this means job security for an
entire year or more. ;-)

>There's no reason to expect that code which doesn't compile will actually
>work well once the compilation bugs are fixed, and I'm guessing that a
>regime that couldn't keep the code at least building wasn't good about
>enforcing testing procedures.  So if it were me, I'd estimate how long it
>would take to code everything from scratch, and if feeling exceptionally
>optimistic, cut that in half.

I'm extremely tempted to do so... but that's a huge project in itself.

On the other hand...
Luke Meyers - 30 Dec 2005 07:39 GMT
> >There's very little use in seeing every compile error, thats why they
> >don't show them.
>
> I need that to be able to write up an "estimated" time to fix the
> problem.

My organization is as metrics-hungry as any (I work for a certain large
North American aerospace company which does defense contracting), so I
can certainly appreciate the pressure one feels to produce such
numbers.  However, the nature of compilation errors is such that it
would be wholly inaccurate, and even unethical IMHO, to take the
current number of compilation errors and represent it as a metric of
how much work is left to be done.

I'm sure what I'm about to say is basically obvious to anyone who's
spent several hours burning down compilation errors, but I don't know
how else to put it.  When your compiler encounters a syntax error, it
may do one of several things:

 1. Isolate the error as a local problem and proceed to the next
section of code.
 2. Get horribly confused and give up, not even looking at the rest of
the code.
 3. Turn what a human would consider a "single error" into a godawful
long cascade of errors, which goes away as soon as you "kill the head
vampire."
 4. Seg fault (well, it happens...).

Since any of these may be the case for any given error, it's basically
absurd to take the error count at any given time and pretend it means
something.  It doesn't.  If you're not convinced, try (once you figure
out how to display all of them -- as someone else mentioned, Eclipse
handles this great) plotting a little histogram of errors over time.
If it doesn't fluctuate wildly... well, it will fluctuate wildly, so
I'll just optimize out what I was going to say (hooray for branch
prediction in everyday speech).

> More so with the warnings, as the project to erase the dependency
> warnings has a budget and therefore requires knowing how much time
> will it take.

Warnings are another story.  They are generally independent, isolated,
deterministic, and easy for the compiler to recover from.  That said,
there is still something of a multiplicity problem.  For example, I
recently did some work converting a codebase from 1.4 to 1.5, which
mostly entailed getting rid of generics warnings.  The common case is
that you get a single container which should be generic, and generate a
warning everywhere it's used.  But you fix the definition of the
container (one line of code), and the whole mess goes away in one swell
foop.

So, a "total warnings" metric may be pretty fuzzy, and not a great
predictor of the actual amount of work required.  But it can at least
be counted upon to be more or less monotonically decreasing, which
ought to be enough to satisfy your bosses.

Of course, you could try explaining all this to them, but I imagine
they'll just tell you to go pound SLOC.

Luke
Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 09:24 GMT
>My organization is as metrics-hungry as any (I work for a certain large
>North American aerospace company which does defense contracting

How the hell do you sleep at night. You are like a bullet maker for
the Mafia.  Your planes kill kids.   You are even worse than the
bastards who build nukes. There is at least a chance their products
won't be used.
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Andrew McDonagh - 30 Dec 2005 09:30 GMT
>>My organization is as metrics-hungry as any (I work for a certain large
>>North American aerospace company which does defense contracting
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> bastards who build nukes. There is at least a chance their products
> won't be used.

Off topic roedy
Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 10:26 GMT
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:30:33 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
<news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>> How the hell do you sleep at night. You are like a bullet maker for
>> the Mafia.  Your planes kill kids.   You are even worse than the
>> bastards who build nukes. There is at least a chance their products
>> won't be used.
>
>Off topic roedy

It is on topic in that he might be puzzled why I stop helping him, and
I hope everyone else does to.  If you aid him, there is blood on your
hands too.
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Andrew McDonagh - 30 Dec 2005 11:28 GMT
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:30:33 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
> <news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I hope everyone else does to.  If you aid him, there is blood on your
> hands too.

Luke wasn't the OP, Miguel was so Luke doesn't need your 'help'...

Therefore, yes you are way off topic.
Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 15:00 GMT
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:28:02 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
<news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>Luke wasn't the OP, Miguel was so Luke doesn't need your 'help'...

After this initial discussion as to why, Luke is going into the filter
file so I won't accidentally help him on any matter.  I request
everyone do likewise until he gets a proper job.  Others don't have to
be so public about it as I am being.

You simply must not co-operate with that sort of wrongdoing. If you
do, you become part of it.

.

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Miguel  Farah - 30 Dec 2005 15:35 GMT
I work at a BANK. You know, those evil bastards
that retain people's money and then "have system-wide
problems" when they want their coins & bills back.

Excuse me for wanting to do things properly, you troll. :-P
Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 18:15 GMT
On 30 Dec 2005 07:35:56 -0800, "Miguel  Farah"
<miguel.farah@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
who said :

>I work at a BANK. You know, those evil bastards
>that retain people's money and then "have system-wide
>problems" when they want their coins & bills back.
>
>Excuse me for wanting to do things properly, you troll. :-P

I am not plonking you.  I am plonking those who use the help they are
given here for military purposes.
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Mike Schilling - 30 Dec 2005 18:25 GMT
>I work at a BANK. You know, those evil bastards
> that retain people's money and then "have system-wide
> problems" when they want their coins & bills back.

A bank?  Well, I'll let you slide this time, but it's lucky for you that you
don't work for an insurance company.
Andrew McDonagh - 30 Dec 2005 15:44 GMT
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:28:02 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
> <news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> ..

I request you stop using this ng for your political belief delivery,
lets keep to java eh?

(besides, you paying taxes funds those companies so indirectly.....sod
it can't be arsed to argue with a moron like you....

Andrew
'Even plants have feelings'  ...yep, some nice and crunchy, some not so,
a bit like meat - yum!
Nigel Wade - 04 Jan 2006 11:30 GMT
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:28:02 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
> <news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> .

I will co-operate with whomsoever I like.

I don't need you to instruct me on who I ma allowed to help, and who I am not.
Someone who works for the defence of their country is much more deserving of
help than is someone who thinks they have the right to dictate to others what
they should think.

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Roedy Green - 04 Jan 2006 16:33 GMT
>I will co-operate with whomsoever I like.
>
>I don't need you to instruct me on who I ma allowed to help, and who I am not.
>Someone who works for the defence of their country is much more deserving of
>help than is someone who thinks they have the right to dictate to others what
>they should thin

I am dismayed at the reaction.  Some of your are like the guy who
fixed the gas chambers at Auschwitz who refused to even consider the
effect his work was having on the big picture. It is your
responsibility to think every once in a while about whether what you
are doing is right, even something as seemingly innocuous as writing
Java code.

I can't stop you from contributing to murder, but of course I won't
help you do it either. I want to encourage others to behave in a
similar morally responsible way as I do, even if it makes people
uncomfortable.  I don't feel the slightest guilt about making people
who kill, even indirectly,  feel uncomfortable.  I have no power over
you other than persuasion and refusing to help you, so your
"dictating" crack is off the mark.

The American Defence industry has had little to do with defense since
WWII. It is about squeezing other countries to get them to hand over
resources to American corporations. Americans consume about 1/3 of the
world pie with less than 5% of the population.. If it were about
defense, there would be no need for the stupendous expenditures, more
than the rest of the world put together.

I can get really nasty to those who kill directly, e.g. Americans
solders who brag to me about killing children. See
http://mindprod.com/feedback/peace.html

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Andrew McDonagh - 04 Jan 2006 16:43 GMT
> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:30:57 +0000, Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk>

snipped usual dribble...

> I can get really nasty to those who kill directly,

Is it just me, or did anyone else imagine Roedy standing at this pc,
writing that with his hands on his hips and sticking his tongue out?

Roedy, this is a Java NG....nothing else
Roedy Green - 04 Jan 2006 18:14 GMT
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:43:07 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
<news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>Is it just me, or did anyone else imagine Roedy standing at this pc,
>writing that with his hands on his hips and sticking his tongue out?
>
>Roedy, this is a Java NG....nothing else

That was an underhanded trick to post to comp.lang.java.programmer but
set the follow up quietly to elsewhere so no one here would hear
rebuttals.

I am not asking for a discussion of military contractors, the Iraq
war, President Bush, American military history.... If you want to
discuss that stuff try the politics part of my website and blogs or
other newsgroups.

I AM talking about  Java  -- how you can inadvertently use Java to
kill people.  I am talking about YOU and what you do at your keyboard.
Whom do you use your skills for? Whom do you help on the newsgroups?

It is just as relevant as talking about bug control in Java systems to
control automated rail.

You are flatly refusing to even think for 5 seconds about the big
picture. It makes you uncomfortable so you weasel away from it.

I am having great trouble controlling my contempt for you.
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Andrew McDonagh - 04 Jan 2006 18:23 GMT
> I am having great trouble controlling my contempt for you.

:-p
Stefan Schulz - 04 Jan 2006 19:36 GMT
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:28:02 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
> <news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> You simply must not co-operate with that sort of wrongdoing. If you
> do, you become part of it.

Roedy, continue to spew propaganda at this rate, and i might be forced
to add you to my filters. I would not like to do so, since you are a
regular, and frequently have interesting ideas, but i don't want this
NG to become to playground for discussions about anyones particular
views. (Not that i do not agree with you on quite a few things...)

If you are interested in answering me, please use a private mail, we do
not need to distribute this to the entire world.
Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 15:08 GMT
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:28:02 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
<news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>Luke wasn't the OP, Miguel was so Luke doesn't need your 'help'...

This is irrelevant. I was not explaining why I was withholding
information Luke would find interesting about Miguel's problem, but
why for the foreseeable future would ignore all of Luke's requests for
information (or his responses for that matter).

Your objections are based more on your politics than your concern for
protocol.
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Andrew McDonagh - 30 Dec 2005 15:38 GMT
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:28:02 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
> <news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Your objections are based more on your politics than your concern for
> protocol.

bollocks!  I haven't stated my politics - God you are full of sh.t
Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 18:16 GMT
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:38:48 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
<news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>bollocks!  I haven't stated my politics - God you are full of sh.t

Well you certainly don't like mine and you have made no secret of it.
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Chris Smith - 30 Dec 2005 23:52 GMT
> Well you certainly don't like mine and you have made no secret of it.

Roedy, I have a lot of respect for you and your politics.  I turn down
job offers in military industries.  I do pay my taxes (U.S.), but I also
spend thousands of hours and dollars per year trying to change how the
government spends them.

Nevertheless, I also agree that you're off-topic.

Obviously you may disagree, and no one here can stop you from posting...
but don't assume that any objections are coming from extremist
conservative war-mongerers.

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Hiran Chaudhuri - 31 Dec 2005 00:00 GMT
> It is on topic in that he might be puzzled why I stop helping him, and
> I hope everyone else does to.  If you aid him, there is blood on your
> hands too.

I hope you and your company never get involved into software projects that
are directly or indirectly involved in military actions. Which is quite
unlikely to happen......

Hiran
Roedy Green - 04 Jan 2006 00:26 GMT
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:00:45 +0100, "Hiran Chaudhuri"
<Hiran.Chaudhuri@softwareag.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>I hope you and your company never get involved into software projects that
>are directly or indirectly involved in military actions. Which is quite
>unlikely to happen...
Ever since about 1985 I have marked every piece of software I have
written "for non military use only".  I have turned down all requests
from military contractors. If you co-operate with them, your have as
much blood on your hands as any soldier.

In once incident Rockwell's representative said "f.ck you, we are
going to use your software anyway".  It was a  bug-free rewrite of MS
DOS restore, used at the time by the FAA for distributing software.

It could restore files backed up under any version of DOS to any
version of DOS. This was before the Internet and people shared files
on floppy.
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Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 10:40 GMT
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:30:33 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
<news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>> How the hell do you sleep at night. You are like a bullet maker for
>> the Mafia.  Your planes kill kids.   You are even worse than the
>> bastards who build nukes. There is at least a chance their products
>> won't be used.
>
>Off topic roedy

Come now. If it is on topic whether students who leave their
assignments to the last second deserve aid, surely it is on topic to
discus whether those who work for defence contractors deserve aid.

I find the latter many times less deserving of aid.  The student hurts
only himself. The defence employee hurts others. Students con you into
doing their assignments for them.  US defence workers are conning you
into a criminal enterprise, namely the Iraq war declared illegal by
the UN. Granted the Iraq war itself is off topic.  I have a blog if
you want to sound off on it or try the newsgroup alt.bush.politics.
see http://mindprod.com/politics/iraq.html.
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Andrew McDonagh - 30 Dec 2005 11:30 GMT
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:30:33 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
> <news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> assignments to the last second deserve aid, surely it is on topic to
> discus whether those who work for defence contractors deserve aid.

Like I said in the last message....

Perhaps you would better 'help' people here by actually reading the
posts and then flaming the right people.

Luke wasn't the OP asking for help, he was giving a reply to Miguel.

> I find the latter many times less deserving of aid.  The student hurts
> only himself. The defence employee hurts others. Students con you into
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> you want to sound off on it or try the newsgroup alt.bush.politics.
> see http://mindprod.com/politics/iraq.html.

What you find deserving or not is of no interest to anyone here but
yourself.
Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 15:01 GMT
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:30:05 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
<news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>What you find deserving or not is of no interest to anyone here but
>yourself.

I think Luke would be curious why I would plonk him.  He deserves to
know why.  

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Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 15:24 GMT
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:30:33 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
<news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>Off topic roedy

This is this first time you or anyone else has claimed a plonk was off
topic.

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Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 16:24 GMT
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:30:33 +0000, Andrew McDonagh
<news@andrewcdonagh.f2s.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>Off topic roedy

You never complained when someone pointed out that information sought
would be used primarily by spammers.

Surely pointing out that it will be used for murder is in the same
domain.
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Patrick May - 30 Dec 2005 17:22 GMT
> You never complained when someone pointed out that information
> sought would be used primarily by spammers.
>
> Surely pointing out that it will be used for murder is in the same
> domain.

    By the same token, then, pointing out that those large aerospace
companies that work on DoD contracts make a major contribution to the
defense of the United States is equally on topic for this group.

    I don't post as frequently as Mr. Green, but I do welcome
Mr. Meyers' participation on those grounds.

Sincerely,

Patrick

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Roedy Green - 30 Dec 2005 18:18 GMT
>     By the same token, then, pointing out that those large aerospace
>companies that work on DoD contracts make a major contribution to the
>defense of the United States is equally on topic for this group.

That was true, but no longer. The USA spends more on "defence" that
every other country put together. The Pentagon  has not been about
defence since WWII.

In any case, I am plonking military contractors and I invite you to
also.  I won't plonk you for refusing.

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Luc The Perverse - 30 Dec 2005 23:57 GMT
>>>My organization is as metrics-hungry as any (I work for a certain large
>>>North American aerospace company which does defense contracting
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Off topic roedy

Oh chill out.

The world has enough crusaders, SUV drivers, and heroin addicts already.

Your reply stating that his post is off topic is also by the same definition
off topic.

--
LTP

:)
Roedy Green - 04 Jan 2006 00:28 GMT
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:57:15 -0700, "Luc The Perverse"
<sll_noSpamlicious_z_XXX_m@cc.usu.edu> wrote, quoted or indirectly
quoted someone who said :

>Oh chill out.

You are just sticking your  head in the sand.  You can kill by
helping the wrong people.  

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Roedy Green - 04 Jan 2006 03:00 GMT
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:28:06 GMT, Roedy Green
<my_email_is_posted_on_my_website@munged.invalid> wrote, quoted or
indirectly quoted someone who said :

> You are just sticking your  head in the sand.  You can kill by
>helping the wrong people.

You think that is an exaggeration?  Consider the worst case: that
these military contractors end up blowing up the entire world and
killing everyone .  That is 6.5 billion people killed.  If you
contribute even 0.000000015% of that effort, that is equivalent to
killing one person.

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Miguel  Farah - 30 Dec 2005 15:45 GMT
>My organization is as metrics-hungry as any (I work for a certain large
>North American aerospace company which does defense contracting), so I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>vampire."
>  4. Seg fault (well, it happens...).

Investigating further, I managed to "determine" the number of errors,
by removing individual source files, one by one, until the number of
errors dropped below 100 (28, to be precise). Almost all of them are
due to missing libraries (which eases the burden considerably), and
only
around 50 are due to true syntax errors.

Now, I'm on the same process with the warnings...
jason - 30 Dec 2005 00:11 GMT
Eclipse has an option in the "Problems" to allow you to see every error
and warning.  You can also sort and filter all the problems.


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