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Java Forum / General / December 2005Java...it's so Nineties!
http://yahoo.businessweek.com/technology/content/dec2005/tc20051213_042973.htm "Reports by Evans Data Corp., which does annual surveys of the activities of software developers, show Java use is slipping as LAMP and Microsoft's (MSFT) .NET technology gain traction. In North America, the percentage of developers who use Java as one of their principal programming languages declined to 47.9 in Evans' fall survey, vs. 51.4% in the fall of 2002. The same surveys show that while Java use is climbing in Asia, it's on the decline in Europe. Meanwhile, .NET usage increased to 54.1% from 40.3% in the same period in North America, and exceeded Java use in Europe and Asia. In a different survey series, the use of PHP in North America grew to 36.1% this fall, from 26% in the fall of 2003. It grew almost as quickly in Europe and Asia. "There's more competition out there," says Evans President John Andrews. "These other technologies are catching hold. They're biting away at [Java's] share." Ho, no..... My (unfair) competitive advantage is gnawed away by people realizing .NET power ;-)  SignatureRegards, Lloyd Dupont NovaMind development team NovaMind Software Mind Mapping Software <www.nova-mind.com> > > http://yahoo.businessweek.com/technology/content/dec2005/tc20051213_042973.htm [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Andrews. "These other technologies are catching hold. They're biting away > at [Java's] share." < snip load of tripe > Unix, its so Seventies! Microsoft, its so Eighties! Linux, its so Ninieties! C++, its so Eighties! Ruby, its so Nineties! Shakespeare, its so Sixteen Centuryish! Beethoven, its so Eighteen Centuryish! Our daily bread, its so now! Our last fall-out with our girl frien, its so yesterday! The data you have produced is not strange because outsourcing is shifting the focus towards asian countries. Amit :-) > http://yahoo.businessweek.com/technology/content/dec2005/tc20051213_042973.htm > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > President John Andrews. "These other technologies are catching hold. > They're biting away at [Java's] share." I haven't used .NET for real except to try it out, but I can see it's attraction for programmers that have only used the likes of visual basic or C++ on a MS Windows platform. You can almost go ahead and write your application ignorant of the actual Interface. I know the .NET engine had security problems, I don't know if all of them have been solved. However, php is free. Very easy to learn and write with and you don't end up with bloated code in your web space. There are a lot of open source modules, example code, tutorials. But more important is that when you look arround the various php code sites what you see is the enthusiasm and inovation that I thought the programming world had lost. .NET may well be easy to use, but I think it is very unlikely to inspire new generations of programmers to new heights simply because the programmer is too far removed from the engine. PHP can and does inspire. It isn't the end of all languages, it is simply that the programmer can get closer to the engine, feel his/her way around, but with the helping hand of pre-written modules and a good open communitee if you have problems. > I know the > .NET engine had security problems, I don't know if all of them have > been solved. cite? > However, php is free. Very easy to learn and write with and you don't > end up with bloated code in your web space. There are a lot of open > source modules, example code, tutorials. But more important is that > when you look arround the various php code sites what you see is the > enthusiasm and inovation that I thought the programming world had > lost. Java is free, .NET is free, in both cases the SDK and compilers are free too: you just pay for the development 'environment'. As we all know, real developers do not need fancy RAD designers <g>. Richard Signaturehttp://www.grimes.demon.co.uk >> I know the >> .NET engine had security problems, I don't know if all of them have [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > too: you just pay for the development 'environment'. As we all know, real > developers do not need fancy RAD designers <g>. Ah but suddenly .NET loses its appeal when it doesn't have it's nifty GUI - because the appeal has always been having the code made for you :) -- LTP :) Well, in case of Java - you don't need to pay a dime even for development environment: - there's NetBeans - there's Java Stidio Enterprise - there's Java Creator for Web apps development These are available from Sun with no charge. I believe others do similar stuff. So, my point is that Java development is getting bigger, especially with the open source movement, accepted by big folks developing Java to gain some market share :-) Cos In comp.os.linux.advocacy BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk> wrote: > I haven't used .NET for real except to try it out, but I can see it's > attraction for programmers that have only used the likes of visual basic > or C++ on a MS Windows platform. You can almost go ahead and write your > application ignorant of the actual Interface. I know the .NET engine had > security problems, I don't know if all of them have been solved. Most of my consulting work is in C/C++ and Java, but I've tried to stay current with .Net just to keep my skill set diverse. The expansion of .Net is hardly a surprise, MS has pulled pretty much all of their older development technologies into the .Net tent. Used to be a VB programmer? Now you're a VB.Net programmer. A good strategy actually, and it sets them up for an easier transition for when the market forces them to pry their application suite off of Windows and go platform-independent. As for .Net passing Java in popularity... Dice still shows about 20 percent more Java jobs than .Net jobs, so I'm not so certain those claims hold water. Cheers, Thad In comp.os.linux.advocacy, thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com <thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com> wrote on Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:03:49 +0000 (UTC) <dnqmel$r6p$1@tux.glaci.com>: > In comp.os.linux.advocacy BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 20 percent more Java jobs than .Net jobs, so I'm not so certain > those claims hold water. That means that the job breakdown is 54.5% Java, 45.5% .NET. Remember, however, that .NET isn't nearly as old as Java; it might be 3-4 years old at the very most. Therefore it's catching up rather fast. Java is The Establishment, .NET the underdog (despite .NET being developed by a certain monopoly or near-monopoly). And then there's LAMP and small custom C/C++ solutions like dhttp. As for security problems in .NET -- I suspect that's par for the course. :-/ > Cheers, > > Thad > Signature#191, ewill3@earthlink.net It's still legal to go .sigless. In comp.os.linux.advocacy The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote: > That means that the job breakdown is 54.5% Java, 45.5% .NET. > Remember, however, that .NET isn't nearly as old as Java; it > might be 3-4 years old at the very most. I'm also not sure how useful a comparison it is, as .Net encompasses multiple languages and tools, while Java is arguably a single language. Nevertheless, it there is certainly plenty of work in both camps, and either or both is a good thing to have in your bag of tricks. > Therefore it's catching up rather fast. Java is The Establishment, > .NET the underdog (despite .NET being developed by a certain > monopoly or near-monopoly). And then there's LAMP and small > custom C/C++ solutions like dhttp. The multi-language nature of .Net and Microsoft's desktop share will likely give it the edge in raw deployment numbers, but I expect Java will hold the lead in the big SOA / middle tier projects for quite some time. MS will lead on the front end and Java on the back end. You will probably find plenty of environments that will contain an mix of both for the foreseeable future. Cheers, Thad > The multi-language nature of .Net and Microsoft's desktop share > will likely give it the edge in raw deployment numbers, but I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > environments that will contain an mix of both for the > foreseeable future. Very insightful interpretation...one that I will accept. In comp.os.linux.advocacy, John A. Bailo <jabailo@texeme.com> wrote on Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:55:20 -0800 <43A1BC18.3080106@texeme.com>: >> The multi-language nature of .Net and Microsoft's desktop share >> will likely give it the edge in raw deployment numbers, but I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Very insightful interpretation...one that I will accept. Ditto here. :-) This is why SOAP and other such efforts will be useful, since both Java and .NET support it. Signature#191, ewill3@earthlink.net It's still legal to go .sigless. > http://yahoo.businessweek.com/technology/content/dec2005/tc20051213_042973.htm > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Meanwhile, .NET usage increased to 54.1% from 40.3% in the same period in > North America, and exceeded Java use in Europe and Asia. Java is one of my principle programming languages. Therefore I know J#, as does every other Java developer on the planet (although some don't know it yet). 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