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I am trying to get int Java Applet programming. For better or worse, I'm on Windows. 1. Where is the best link for the current Java SDK? I have been to the java.sun.com site, but can't find an actual link to down load it ... 2. What is a good, simple, free ide? 3. Is this the best group for this sort of question? Thanks, Mark Mark skrev: > I am trying to get int Java Applet programming. For better or worse, I'm > on Windows. Are you sure you want to create Applets? Unless you must embed the application on a web page, a Web Start application is a much better choice. > 1. Where is the best link for the current Java SDK? I have been to the > java.sun.com site, but can't find an actual link to down load it ... http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp > 2. What is a good, simple, free ide? Eclipse is good and free, it's not simple though. You might also wanna try NetBeans. > 3. Is this the best group for this sort of question? comp.lang.java.help is more suitable. /JN > Mark skrev: > >>I am trying to get int Java Applet programming. For better or worse, I'm >>on Windows. > > Are you sure you want to create Applets? Good question. Applet devlopment is not the best thing to start learning Java. <http://www.physci.org/codes/javafaq.jsp#appfirst> >...Unless you must embed the > application on a web page, a Web Start application is a much better > choice. Applets can be webstarted, though the OP might have the best of all worlds and have an applet that is *also* an application. Thanks > Mark skrev: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > application on a web page, a Web Start application is a much better > choice. Applets are not necessary. What is a Web Start application? Is it something new? >>1. Where is the best link for the current Java SDK? I have been to the >>java.sun.com site, but can't find an actual link to down load it ... > > http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp Tried that, but what do I click on next? Do I need to download the whole J2EE or NetBeans? >>2. What is a good, simple, free ide? > > Eclipse is good and free, it's not simple though. You might also wanna > try NetBeans. I tried Eclipse, but couldn't find my way through it. Is NetBeans as slow I think it is? >>3. Is this the best group for this sort of question? > > comp.lang.java.help is more suitable. Thanks, I'll try that. > /JN -- Mark > > http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp > > Tried that, but what do I click on next? Do I need to download the whole > J2EE or NetBeans? You only need to "Download JDK 5.0 Update 5". I advise you to get the documentation too, unless you prefer to browse the documentation on Sun's website directly. You can ignore the J2EE stuff. "Netbeans" is Sun's IDE, you can make up your own mind whether you want to try that out, but you can safely ignore it if you want to. In my opinion Netbeans is much like Eclipse in that it's too big, too slow, by far too complicated, and too confusing -- but that's only my opinion, there are many peoply who like each of the IDEs (it depends on what you're used to, I suppose). -- chris >>>http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > can make up your own mind whether you want to try that out, but you can safely > ignore it if you want to. Now I call that less than obvious. I misinterpreted "update" to mean, well, "update" ... ? > In my opinion Netbeans is much like Eclipse in that it's too big, too slow, by > far too complicated, and too confusing -- but that's only my opinion, there are > many peoply who like each of the IDEs (it depends on what you're used to, I > suppose). > > -- chris What do you use? I've had a look at JCreator which seems a bit leaner and faster. mark > > In my opinion Netbeans is much like Eclipse in that it's too big, too > > slow, by far too complicated, and too confusing -- but that's only my > > opinion, there are many peoply who like each of the IDEs (it depends on > > what you're used to, I suppose). [...] > What do you use? I've had a look at JCreator which seems a bit leaner > and faster. Depending on my mood and requirements, any of: simple editor + the command-line tools jGRASP Eclipse (cursing its obscurantist UI all the while ;-) or even sometimes: BlueJ Even though the latter is designed very specifically as a teaching tool, its simplicity and directness is appealing, especially when roughing out new class structures. -- chris .. > What is a Web Start application? Webstart can apply to applets or applications. (Try the two JNLP files in this directory for examples) <http://www.physci.org/pc/> > ..Is it something new? Define 'new'. It goes back to Java 1.3. > .. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Define 'new'. It goes back to Java 1.3. New enough, though I don't remember reading about it in any of my books. I'll look up your reference. Thanks, mark >> Webstart can apply to applets or applications. >> (Try the two JNLP files in this directory for examples) >> <http://www.physci.org/pc/> >> >>> ..Is it something new? I just learned about it myself a few weeks ago. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/javawebstart.html  SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. >1. Where is the best link for the current Java SDK? I have been to the >java.sun.com site, but can't find an actual link to down load it .. see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jdk.html SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. >2. What is a good, simple, free ide? see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/ide.html take some for a test drive. SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. >3. Is this the best group for this sort of question? comp.lang.java.help is more friendly to newbies. SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. Mark <mark@manngo.net.example.net> wrote in news:pPYcf.310$WM.10243 @nasal.pacific.net.au: > 2. What is a good, simple, free ide? I strongly suggest you *don't* use an IDE, at least at first. Most IDEs have code-completion (or whatever they call it), which makes life too easy. You can't learn to write when someone (in this case the IDE) is holding your hand all the time. Plus, IDEs hide the javac and java/javaw command line arguments from you. The first time you try to compile and run an application that uses packets without the IDE you'll be lost. Instead, I suggest you use a simple text editor, and the command line to compile and run. An editor that recognizes and highlights the code will help you quickly spot typos in keywords and common classes, without actually telling you what to type - or even writing code for you, as some IDEs do. Later, when you get more serious about Java programming, you may switch to an IDE, but for now I think you're better off with just a text editor. I've always been happy with TextPad, but there are many others out there that will handle java code. http://www.textpad.com > I've always been happy with TextPad, but there are many others > out there that will handle java code. The Zeus for Windows IDE comes with support for Java: http://www.zeusedit.com/features.html Note: Zeus is shareware (45 day trial). It has features like class browsing, syntax highlighting, smart indent, code folding, project/workspace management, integrated version control etc etc. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows > I've always been happy with TextPad, but there are many others > out there that will handle java code. The Zeus for Windows IDE comes with support for Java: http://www.zeusedit.com/features.html Note: Zeus is shareware (45 day trial). It has features like class browsing, syntax highlighting, smart indent, code folding, project/workspace management, integrated version control etc etc. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows >I am trying to get int Java Applet programming. For better or worse, I'm >on Windows. > >1. Where is the best link for the current Java SDK? I have been to the >java.sun.com site, but can't find an actual link to down load it ... I suggest the "Download JDK 5.0 Update 5" link from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp. You don't need the J2EE download and I would not bother with the "NetBeans Bundle" because the pre-release of NetBeans 1.5 <http://www.netbeans.org/community/releases/50/index.html> is significantly better than release 4.1. >2. What is a good, simple, free ide? The above is an excellent example of an oxymoron. If it's good it's not simple. I have written a summary of my search for an IDE here http://profectus.com.au/ee_JavaIDE.html. >3. Is this the best group for this sort of question? Probably. Beginners are supposed to go to comp.lang.java.help but, apart from a tiny number of kind, helpful contributors, nobody else monitors it. You get to choose between the correct group and the group with the best chance of getting a useful reply. >Thanks, > >Mark Thanks, all for you help. This gives me a good starting point. Regards, Mark Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. 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