That's okay; I'll take pain-free over painfully attractive any day =)

Honestly, I don't think it matters.  A guy isn't going to go from
finding a girl's butt unacceptable in flats to sexy in heels.  No way.
All of the effort (many) women spend on tarting up seems to be wasted,
to me.  Guys don't seem to be nearly as picky as girls are about
female looks.  Just my current theory.

Me, too.

On 10 Nov 2005 06:02:03 -0800, "zelzel.zsu@gmail.com"
<zelzel.zsu@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

I used Python for a while.  It has some nice shortcuts for cooking up
code quickly, but in the end the declarations in Java are needed to
help maintain the code, so you really are no further ahead.

You also have the just one extra complication layer between you and
the many Java languages you need.

The next language that I want to go for has to be radically different.
There is no point is changing languages only for some tiny benefit in
tidier syntax.

What want is a VISUAL language. I want very powerful control on how it
presents to me, which like a style sheet, need have nothing to do with
how other people present the same program to themselves.

ASCII source code is text files is so sixties.  It is like keeping the
financial records of Mastercard in a Word Processor.

see http://mindprod.com/projects/scid.html
http://mindprod.com/projects/dynamicversioncontrol.html

"zelzel.zsu@gmail.com" <zelzel.zsu@gmail.com> wrote on 10 Nov 2005
06:02:03 -0800 in comp.lang.java.programmer:

How about following a paycheck? How many jobs are there for Python or
Ruby programmers? How well do they pay in relation to other languages?

It's funny, but a lot of advocates of languages like Python, Lisp,
etc., seem to spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about Java
and Java developers. Now that they've found their religion, it seems
to bug them that the unwashed masses of Java developers out there are
not envying them for the awesome power of their superior language
choice. It also seems to bug them that Java developers pay them little
heed when they preach about how Java sucks because it takes 5 lines of
code to do something in Java that takes 2 lines in their pet language.

I hate to break this to you, but I doubt if anyone here cares what
language you think is "better for you". You obviously care what the
Java developers on this Java newsgroup think about your attraction to
Python, otherwise you wouldn't have made this post. You've just
illustrated my point above.

Java is a pretty dull language.  It is conservative in design, both the syntax
and semantics are (with some exceptions) derived from "safe" previous language
designs.

For a language enthusiast, the most exiting thing about Java is the quality of
the VM implementation.  Very impressive (IMO).  There is very little else to
rave about (interfaces are nice, and the classloader concept, and the security
design are interesting, though).

For someone who just wants to get a job done, there are ups and downs.  The
lack of "advanced" (i.e. stuff that has been available since the 70's) features
in Java means that sometimes you spend a lot of time coding around its
weaknesses.  OTOH, the massive and comprehensive class libraries and
application frameworks that are available are a big plus (but /some/ of the
"massive and comprehensive" is just there to fix or work around weaknesses in
the language).

There was a time when Java was a likeable little language.  Not something to
fall in love with, but reasonably small and simple, and something you could
comfortably code in all day.  It was very refreshing to switch from the
complexities of C++ to Java.  These days, I'm not so sure -- a lot of cruft has
been added to the language design, and it can no longer be called "small" or
"simple" (not even by C++ standards).  I grew to like Java when it was still
young, and I still quite like it now that it has grown old and wrinkly, but I'm
not sure whether I would feel the same if I were coming to it for the first
time now.

BTW, I wouldn't, myself, call Python or Ruby languages to love either.  Neither
of them (IMO) is anything more than a not-very-well designed, and pretty badly
implemented, rehash of concepts that have been around for ages in languages
like LISP and Smalltalk.  Now /those/ are languages to love, not poxy upstart
scripting languages ;-)

   -- chris

I prefer Python as a language, but I use Java. Nobody forces me to. I
did not choose the language I liked most. Why? Because Java gets the job
done for me and in the end that is what counts. There is an excellent
infrastructure for devoloping and deploying Java software for all major
operating systems, complete with a standard GUI and a multi-platform 3D
library. Unfortunately, the Python community has not been able to come
up with anyting comparable. Maybe Ruby will be more successful at some
point. I don't know.