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Jack - 05 Nov 2005 21:22 GMT

What is J2EE?
Is it free?
Can I download it?

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Luc The Perverse - 05 Nov 2005 21:42 GMT

> What is J2EE?
> Is it free?
> Can I download it?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=j2ee&btnG=Search

Learn to use your resources wisely ;)

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Jack - 05 Nov 2005 23:28 GMT

nah someone will do it
go away
psssshhhhhh
psssshhhhhh

>> What is J2EE?
>> Is it free?
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>
> :)

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Andrew Thompson - 06 Nov 2005 00:18 GMT

> nah someone will do it

..less and less, as the moments tick by[1].

> go away
> psssshhhhhh
> psssshhhhhh

[1]
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/msg/7e60a765559c9027>

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Jack - 06 Nov 2005 02:56 GMT

since I joined this new, the is those morons playing the police rules. go
away geeks!

>> nah someone will do it
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> [1]
> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/msg/7e60a765559c9027>

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zero - 06 Nov 2005 04:26 GMT

> since I joined this new, the is those morons playing the police rules.
> go away geeks!

Usually people who join an existing community adjust to said community.
Not the other way around.

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Jack - 06 Nov 2005 14:04 GMT

well it is not the case here.
if you dont want to help me dont bother me.
im tired of the people trying to be superior.
it is not because you know java more than me that you have to sh.t on me.
try to answer my question or go away fag

>> since I joined this new, the is those morons playing the police rules.
>> go away geeks!
>
> Usually people who join an existing community adjust to said community.
> Not the other way around.

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Luc The Perverse - 06 Nov 2005 14:44 GMT

> well it is not the case here.
> if you dont want to help me dont bother me.
> im tired of the people trying to be superior.
> it is not because you know java more than me that you have to sh.t on me.
> try to answer my question or go away fag

No, you have a serious attitude problem.

It has nothing to do with our knowledge vs your knowledge.

A forum is not meant to replace a book/tutorial/faq.

You refuse to even adjust your posting style to conform with the group.

If I had to guess I'd say you are probably a spoiled little rich kid
a.shole. The world will not bend over for you, and I guarantee a usenet
forum will even less.

You thanklessness and arrogance make no one WANT to help you.

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Jack - 06 Nov 2005 19:25 GMT

go away moron

>> well it is not the case here.
>> if you dont want to help me dont bother me.
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>
> :)

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zero - 06 Nov 2005 19:20 GMT

"Jack" <newsnewsnews@hotmail.com> wrote in news:n3obf.51$k63.10528
@weber.videotron.net:

I said nothing to suggest I think I am superior to you.
I did not sh.t on you.
I am not a fag.
I am not going to answer.
I am not going away.

PS. right now, I am convinced I am superior in at least language, social
skills and java.

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Jack - 06 Nov 2005 19:25 GMT

go away moron

> "Jack" <newsnewsnews@hotmail.com> wrote in news:n3obf.51$k63.10528
> @weber.videotron.net:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> PS. right now, I am convinced I am superior in at least language, social
> skills and java.

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Luc The Perverse - 06 Nov 2005 19:27 GMT

IIRC I posted a link to a google search whose top hit was the answer to his
question. He proceeded to sh.t on me. Everything else was defensive :)

He should be a little slower to call people "fags" since the only person who
did actually try to help him, is of the homosexual orientation.

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Roedy Green - 06 Nov 2005 22:41 GMT

>try to answer my question or go away fag

now you silly twit, you have pissed me off too.

You will soon be in everyone's kill file. You won't get help except
from fellow newbies.

See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/newsgroups.html#GIFTHORSE

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zero - 06 Nov 2005 23:05 GMT

> http://mindprod.com/jgloss/newsgroups.html#GIFTHORSE

hmm Roedy, do a lot of professors teach classes about Skurtlwaxian
Wrommybuns? Sounds like an interesting topic ;-)

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Andrew Thompson - 06 Nov 2005 23:20 GMT

>>http://mindprod.com/jgloss/newsgroups.html#GIFTHORSE

Good points.

> hmm Roedy, do a lot of professors teach classes about Skurtlwaxian
> Wrommybuns? Sounds like an interesting topic ;-)

And since you mentioned it, got me curious, caused me
to actually (freakin') Google that, only to come to the
'next entry down' ( got me! ;).

Roedy, the next point after that one..

"I've been coding in Java now for since 1993 (I was on the AWT design
team), but this really has me stumped."

Slight grammatical correction (suggestion)
"I've been coding in Java now since 1993 (I was on the AWT design team),
but this really has me stumped."

[ Remove the 'for'. ]

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Alex Molochnikov - 06 Nov 2005 23:35 GMT

> Roedy, the next point after that one..
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> [ Remove the 'for'. ]

And while he is at it, he might also change "me" to "be" in "somehow me more
logical" in the Primate Psychology section.

AM

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Roedy Green - 06 Nov 2005 23:49 GMT

On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:35:54 GMT, "Alex Molochnikov"
<NOBODY@NOSPAM.COM> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

>And while he is at it, he might also change "me" to "be" in "somehow me more
>logical" in the Primate Psychology section.

You will find a lot of those, also that/than, my/by. It comes from
the layout of the DSK keyboard and the fact a spell checker can't
catch the typos.

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/dsk.html

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Benji - 06 Nov 2005 23:52 GMT

> You will find a lot of those, also that/than, my/by. It comes from
> the layout of the DSK keyboard and the fact a spell checker can't
> catch the typos.

clearly qwerty is a better layout.

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Andrew Thompson - 06 Nov 2005 23:54 GMT

> ...the fact a spell checker can't
> catch the typos.

Eye Haight spell chequers. ;-)

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Mike Schilling - 07 Nov 2005 00:23 GMT

>> ...the fact a spell checker can't
>> catch the typos.
>
> Eye Haight spell chequers. ;-)

The only thing worse than a spell-checker is no spell-checker.

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Roedy Green - 06 Nov 2005 23:28 GMT

>hmm Roedy, do a lot of professors teach classes about Skurtlwaxian
>Wrommybuns? Sounds like an interesting topic ;-)

That was a sound Trixie made in Hi and Lois, a comic strip of the 50s.
I picked up the term for use to represent high fallutin' nonsense.

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Mike Schilling - 06 Nov 2005 23:39 GMT

>>hmm Roedy, do a lot of professors teach classes about Skurtlwaxian
>>Wrommybuns? Sounds like an interesting topic ;-)
>
> That was a sound Trixie made in Hi and Lois, a comic strip of the 50s.

Lois, by the way, is Beetle Bailey's sister.

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Andrew Thompson - 06 Nov 2005 23:40 GMT

>>..Skurtlwaxian Wrommybuns...

> That was a sound ..

Roedy, the next point after that one..

"I've been coding in Java now for since 1993 (I was on the AWT design
team), but this really has me stumped."

Slight grammatical correction (suggestion)
"I've been coding in Java now since 1993 (I was on the AWT design team),
but this really has me stumped."

[ Remove the 'for'. ]

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Alex Molochnikov - 06 Nov 2005 04:40 GMT

I was going to suggest to you that you will need to change your signature,
since there will be no help coming to your from this group.

But the personality will stay, so don't bother changing anything. Ignorance
can be forgiven, arrogance can't.

> since I joined this new, the is those morons playing the police rules. go
> away geeks!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> >
> > [1]

<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/msg/7e60a765559c90
27>

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Roedy Green - 06 Nov 2005 07:40 GMT

On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:40:48 GMT, "Alex Molochnikov"
<NOBODY@NOSPAM.COM> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

>I was going to suggest to you that you will need to change your signature,
>since there will be no help coming to your from this group.

Perhaps I am not seeing the signature. He appears not to have one.
What did he say?

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Alex Molochnikov - 06 Nov 2005 08:03 GMT

He signs his posts "Jack" (the "from" field). He asked a non-specific
question abour J2EE ("what is..."). After being pointed to Google as the
resource, he insulted the respondents:

"nah someone will do it
go away
psssshhhhhh
psssshhhhhh"

"since I joined this new, the is those morons playing the police rules. go
away geeks!"

Apparently he expects to find babysitters on this NG, doing his homework for
him. Is your carrier missing posts from this thread?

AM

> On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:40:48 GMT, "Alex Molochnikov"
> <NOBODY@NOSPAM.COM> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
> http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.

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Roedy Green - 06 Nov 2005 09:28 GMT

On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 08:03:48 GMT, "Alex Molochnikov"
<NOBODY@NOSPAM.COM> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

>he insulted the respondents:
>
>"nah someone will do it
>go away
>psssshhhhhh
>psssshhhhhh"

I was thrown off by the term "signature" which implies something
tacked onto every post.

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Jack - 06 Nov 2005 14:04 GMT

i am not affraid. people will help me. they are not all like you.

>I was going to suggest to you that you will need to change your signature,
> since there will be no help coming to your from this group.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/msg/7e60a765559c90
> 27>

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Luc The Perverse - 06 Nov 2005 14:45 GMT

>i am not affraid. people will help me. they are not all like you.

And thank god not all people are like you :)

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Dag Sunde - 06 Nov 2005 15:51 GMT

>i am not affraid. people will help me. they are not all like you.

<snipped/>

Oh yes, we are!

With that attitude, you will *not* get any help
from this NG... You better believe it.

Grow up, aquire some manners, and come back in a
couple of years.

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Jack - 06 Nov 2005 19:27 GMT

If you read all the messages. I simply started with a question. you guys
started to bother me. im happy that some answered seriously to my questions.
txs for these!

>>i am not affraid. people will help me. they are not all like you.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Grow up, aquire some manners, and come back in a
> couple of years.

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Mike Schilling - 06 Nov 2005 06:24 GMT

> since I joined this new, the is those morons playing the police rules. go
> away geeks!

Is not maybe will go is better, yes?

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hilz - 06 Nov 2005 00:58 GMT

> nah someone will do it
> go away
> psssshhhhhh
> psssshhhhhh

with this attitude, i think you're going to be waiting for a long
time...eternity that is.

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Jack - 06 Nov 2005 01:46 GMT

from u ... I know

>> nah someone will do it
>> go away
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> with this attitude, i think you're going to be waiting for a long
> time...eternity that is.

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Benji - 06 Nov 2005 01:05 GMT

> nah someone will do it
> go away
> psssshhhhhh
> psssshhhhhh

hi, i am 8 years old to. my mommie said i can have a sleepover do you
want to come??

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Luc The Perverse - 06 Nov 2005 02:16 GMT

> nah someone will do it
> go away
> psssshhhhhh
> psssshhhhhh

<sarcasm>Well I'm glad I wasted time on you :P </sarcasm>

Have a nice day.

Note: Top posting is deprecated on comp.*

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Roedy Green - 06 Nov 2005 07:03 GMT

>What is J2EE?
>Is it free?
>Can I download it?

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/j2ee.html

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David N. Welton - 06 Nov 2005 08:18 GMT

>>What is J2EE?
>>Is it free?
>>Can I download it?

> see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/j2ee.html

That's a good start, this has some information too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J2EE

but... to tell the truth I'm sort of curious too. "J2EE" seems to be in
the midst of a mind-boggling crossfire of alphabet soup (Jblah, Jfoo,
JBEE, JBOP, etc...) and marketing aimed at management (manage enterprise
resource component frameworks!) that effectively does make it harder to
get real information about it from just googling. It's one of those
things where a real person describing it in "no bullshit" terms is very
valuable.

Cheers,

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Roedy Green - 06 Nov 2005 09:33 GMT

On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:18:46 +0100, "David N. Welton"
<davidw@dedasys.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

>but... to tell the truth I'm sort of curious too. "J2EE" seems to be in
>the midst of a mind-boggling crossfire of alphabet soup (Jblah, Jfoo,
>JBEE, JBOP, etc...) and marketing aimed at management (manage enterprise
>resource component frameworks!

There an advantage to giving things alphabet soup names. You can at
least google for them. Try to find out something about "linguine". It
is some Java package. I have not a clue what it does.

Further try to think about "linguine" without getting emotionally
sidetracked with reminiscences about great Italian meals.

I found myself resenting using a package called Jenna2 even though the
author assured me it was named after his daughter not after Bush's
besotted daughter.

Please stop messing with my head creating all these irrelevant
associations!

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David N. Welton - 06 Nov 2005 21:56 GMT

>>but... to tell the truth I'm sort of curious too. "J2EE" seems to be in
>>the midst of a mind-boggling crossfire of alphabet soup (Jblah, Jfoo,
>>JBEE, JBOP, etc...) and marketing aimed at management (manage enterprise
>>resource component frameworks!

> There an advantage to giving things alphabet soup names. You can at
> least google for them. Try to find out something about "linguine". It
> is some Java package. I have not a clue what it does.

The point was not particularly about the nature of the names, it's just
that there are so many of them that the system as a whole is poorly
described by listing its components. If I don't know what J2EE is, am I
likely to know about most of its components?

In other words - how would you describe it to someone who's curious
about *what it does*, but who doesn't know what Jammies, Jeevies,
Jibber, Jabber, Jumpnjive and JEEWIZ are.

A colleague of mine on the Rivet project decided to name a database
layer he created, 'DIO' - that one was hard to explain to people here!

> Further try to think about "linguine" without getting emotionally
> sidetracked with reminiscences about great Italian meals.

I don't reminisce about them, but eat them regularly:-)

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Alex Molochnikov - 06 Nov 2005 23:18 GMT

[snip]

> The point was not particularly about the nature of the names, it's just
> that there are so many of them that the system as a whole is poorly
> described by listing its components. If I don't know what J2EE is, am I
> likely to know about most of its components?

JavaMail is one component that you could use in the J2SE application. JDBC
was, for a long time, listed as an "officially" J2EE component, made
available under J2SE. XML parsers can be used without any reference (or
relation) to the rest of J2EE.

> In other words - how would you describe it to someone who's curious
> about *what it does*, but who doesn't know what Jammies, Jeevies,
> Jibber, Jabber, Jumpnjive and JEEWIZ are.

You could list the most frequently used frameworks and libraries that are
part of J2EE (Servlets, EJB, JMS, JavaMail, XML parsers) and let them do
another search on Google. Better yet, there is a pretty decent tutorial by
Sun (http://java.sun.com/j2ee/1.4/docs/tutorial/doc/) that was written
specifically for the purpose of answering the sacramental question of "what
is..."

It still boils down to the poster's attitude. An arrogant a**hole like the
OP will not be bothered with it, but will fully expect the others to give
him a regurgitated digest.

AM

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Jack - 06 Nov 2005 14:07 GMT

txs for these links guys.
i start learning java and many guys on this news try to be bad with me but
you guys hel me. txs again.

>>>What is J2EE?
>>>Is it free?
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>
> Cheers,

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Jack - 06 Nov 2005 14:27 GMT

In the wiki page it says

"The Java EE implementation from Sun can be downloaded for free"

cool...

> txs for these links guys.
> i start learning java and many guys on this news try to be bad with me but
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>>
>> Cheers,

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