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Java Forum / General / October 2005problem in AJAX
AJAX sends XML response. and javascript function parses that XML response and then HTML DOM is updated. I AM in a confused state whether i should use AJAX or NOT... Because i dont want javascript function to pase the XML . i want to use my java XML parser and want to parse in the server side. and want to store the data in a java bean and then i want to display the data from the java bean. The reason i want to avoid JS XML parsing is 1) my XML is huge. 2) it would become messy in the client side. 3) i want to use server side XML parsing and want to diaply the data in my JSP via java bean. is it possible to use AJAX now ? How ? AJAX wont allow to use java bean and server side parsing . it would try to parse by its own. >is it possible to use AJAX now ? How ? AJAX wont allow to use java bean >and server side parsing . it would try to parse by its own. Ajax is sort of like an el-cheapo generic Applet that can to a very limited subset of the things Java can do. Its big advantage is it smaller and loads faster than the Java JVM. If you have your Applet talk to the server instead, Ajax is no longer involved. For a large volume of data, XML is a pretty fluffy way to transport it. Consider a DataOutputStream or a GZIPed ObjectStream. see http://mindprod.com/applets/fileio.html for sample code to send the data over a socket.  SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. > >is it possible to use AJAX now ? How ? AJAX wont allow to use java bean > >and server side parsing . it would try to parse by its own. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. > http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. do u suggest me to use AJAX and update HTML dom via javascript ? but i was interested about XML parsing and java bean and JSTL tags to display the data . and AJAX is not letting me to do that. i am scared to go for HML DOM updation by AJAX because my JSP page is complex , with CSS,flash etc etc. and if i dont store the data in java bean then later on i wont be able to sort it. >do u suggest me to use AJAX and update HTML dom via javascript ? That would do fine for low volumes and where the processing is not that complicated. My understanding is that Ajax is not a programming language, but more a forms defining language that its not nearly so lame as HTML forms. The problem with using AJax or similar light weight solutions is if the program gets more and more complicated, it gets harder and harder to kludge it together one more time. Eventually you have to start over from scratch. The main problem with using Applets is your users will be annoyed at the start up times to do a very simple thing. They won't like be hassled with computer geeky stuff like Applet privilege granting. SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. > That would do fine for low volumes and where the processing is not > that complicated. My understanding is that Ajax is not a programming > language, but more a forms defining language that its not nearly so > lame as HTML forms. Your understanding is not correct. AJAX is not a language at all. It's a word someone invented for the generic concept of having JavaScript talk directly to the server without reloading the HTML page. There are any number of possible ways of implementing AJAX. The most common is to use the non-standard XmlHttpRequest class, which is available from JavaScript in most major browsers. The major defining characteristic, though, is the asynchronous aspect of the technology. Even XML is in there by coincidence; people describe things as "AJAX" applications when they don't use XML at all. There is no new language or file format here. There's no specification; no definition of AJAX is or is not. There are no special tools. There's no visual appearance that could be created except what you could do with a web browser, HTML, JavaScript, and CSS anyway. In fact, if you were allowed to stub out the data, you could write any AJAX application with only those basic client-side web technologies. > The main problem with using Applets is your users will be annoyed at > the start up times to do a very simple thing. They won't like be > hassled with computer geeky stuff like Applet privilege granting. There are actually two advantages to an AJAX-like approach over applets. One is that JavaScript generally starts faster than an applet. The other is that AJAX is really just HTML and JavaScript and CSS, so it ACTS like a web browser. That is, you can resize the window and expect to see text and tables wrapped and presented in all the normal ways. All the UI kludginess of applets is gone. That's significant, too. Signaturewww.designacourse.com The Easiest Way To Train Anyone... Anywhere. Chris Smith - Lead Software Developer/Technical Trainer MindIQ Corporation >Your understanding is not correct. thanks for sorting that out. I have rewritten the entry based on your post. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/ajax.html SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. >i am scared to go for HML DOM updation by AJAX because my JSP page is >complex , with CSS,flash etc etc. My tendency is to try to reduce the number of tools in any given project to a minimum. Why? 1. if someone has to take this project over, it will be a lot easier to find someone who knows one or two tools, rather than a random set of 9. 2. The tools were designed by people who have never met. It is a bloody miracle when they work together as promised. 3. A chain is as strong as its weakest link. If any one of those tools loses support, I may have do massive amounts of changes to redesign without it. Probability theory tells you that your danger increases with the number of tools in the exponent. 4. There will be less duplication. More RAM will be left over to do something useful. Do I really need 8 different calendar calculators? 5. It is less confusing. 6. I once worked for a guy who was the very opposite. He was a tool junkie and he liked to use as many as possible simply for the fun of learning to use them and selecting the perfect tool for each individual task. The problem was he was the only one who really had the big picture of what was going on, since everyone who worked for him specialised is some subset of them. People would be helpless when they were forced to wander out of their skillset in an "emergency". He was convinced everyone else SHOULD have the same level of skill as he did in everything. Of course the reality was they never did and had to waste time learning a whole tool just to understand a few lines. SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. > but i was interested about XML parsing and java bean and JSTL tags to > display the data . and AJAX is not letting me to do that. JSP/JSTL is server-side. AJAX is, by definition, client-side. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: sjsobol@JustThe.net Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307 >> but i was interested about XML parsing and java bean and JSTL tags to >> display the data . and AJAX is not letting me to do that. > > JSP/JSTL is server-side. AJAX is, by definition, client-side. Not entirely. There has to be some sort of web service provider to serve the XML back to the Javascript. Luke my server will return 1 XML after 1 second. this XML will be written to my web page in a table. again after 5 secs my server will return another XML . i want to place this XML in a table just below the above table. again after 5 secs my server will return one more XML . i want to place this XML in a table just below the above table. so, my web page is getting updated. and at last there will be 3 table contaning 3 XML's in them. i have developed AJAX application earlier also. but this architecture is very diiificult. can you show me a demo on this problem with AJAX ? though i have over-simplified the problem and presented to you. i am getting difficuly to append the page with new XML data. how could i do that? >again after 5 secs my server will return another XML . i want to >place this XML in a table just below the above table. The way you would do that on the client side in java is just have a thread waiting on an open socket to the server waiting for the next installment, OR have the client every 5 seconds send in a new request for the next installment. see http://mindprod.com/applets/fileio.html for sample code. If you want to know how to handle that in JavaScript, ask in a JavaScript newsgroup. SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. > >again after 5 secs my server will return another XML . i want to > >place this XML in a table just below the above table. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > see http://mindprod.com/applets/fileio.html > for sample code. YES. i can do that. my problem is the disply problem. i can not flush a table+css+flash with out.println()...thats very bad. yes..u are right ...some javascript could help me to display those data in different tables...making it an updated dynamic page. > If you want to know how to handle that in JavaScript, ask in a > JavaScript newsgroup. > > -- > Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. > http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. >my problem is the disply problem. i can not flush a table+css+flash >with out.println()...thats very bad. Again, that is a JavaScript problem. The place to ask is comp.lang.javascript SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching. > AJAX sends XML response. and javascript function parses that XML > response and then HTML DOM is updated. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > is it possible to use AJAX now ? How ? AJAX wont allow to use java bean > and server side parsing . it would try to parse by its own. You might want to take a look at this: https://blueprints.dev.java.net/ajax-faq.html SignatureTechBookReport Java book reviews http://www.techbookreport.com/JavaIndex.html > is it possible to use AJAX now ? How ? AJAX wont allow to use java bean > and server side parsing . it would try to parse by its own. AJAX's primary purpose is to enable you to go fetch XML from a URL. That URL can be a server-side script; TCL, JSP, Python, PHP, Perl, shell script, anything :D What exactly do you need to do? SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: sjsobol@JustThe.net Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307 Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. 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