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ppcguy - 23 Jul 2005 16:16 GMT

i use java sdk - straight download from java.com site
and Windows.

i'd like to use an ide that uses the sdk that i downloaded
(and preferably easy way to point to a new sdk on
release).

what's recommended?

thanks - free is always good

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George Cherry - 23 Jul 2005 19:50 GMT

>i use java sdk - straight download from java.com site
> and Windows.
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>
> thanks - free is always good

How sophisticated do you want it?
BlueJ is a simple but useful IDE that
uses the Java SDK from Sun. It's free.

http://www.bluej.org/

If you want something sophisticated, wait
for the heavy hitters here to answer you.

George

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Hal Rosser - 23 Jul 2005 20:25 GMT

> How sophisticated do you want it?
> BlueJ is a simple but useful IDE that
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> George

Another decent editor on the order of BlueJ is "JGrasp".
It just colorizes the syntax, and makes it quick to compile and run by
clicking buttons.
If you have time for a learning curve there's NetBeans and Eclipse, and of
those 2, I think more folks use Eclipse. I liked netbeans of those 2.
JGrasp is my pick for learning java.

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IchBin - 23 Jul 2005 22:30 GMT

>> How sophisticated do you want it?
>> BlueJ is a simple but useful IDE that
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> those 2, I think more folks use Eclipse. I liked netbeans of those 2.
> JGrasp is my pick for learning java.

Yes, I would second that for using JGRASP for learning. It comes from
academia.

http://www.eng.auburn.edu/grasp/

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jan V - 23 Jul 2005 21:26 GMT

> what's recommended?
>
> thanks - free is always good

I used IDEA IntelliJ recently... incredible power (super refactoring
support).. but $500 a seat. An order of magnitude better than NetBeans 3.5,

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Kirk Cheng - 24 Jul 2005 05:02 GMT

use eclipse.Download it from www.eclipse.org.It is a java open source
project.Just down it .Extract it to a folder.Then enjoy it.

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Stefan Schulz - 24 Jul 2005 10:42 GMT

> use eclipse.Download it from www.eclipse.org.It is a java open source
> project.Just down it .Extract it to a folder.Then enjoy it.

Eclipse is one of the most feature-rich, but still very useful IDE. The
learning curve is extremely shallow, you'll likely be able to work with it
without reading any documentation, but if you do, it gets even better. :)

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Tim Tyler - 24 Jul 2005 11:13 GMT

Stefan Schulz <terra@spacetime.de> wrote or quoted:

> > use eclipse.Download it from www.eclipse.org.It is a java open source
> > project.Just down it .Extract it to a folder.Then enjoy it.
>
> Eclipse is one of the most feature-rich, but still very useful IDE. The
> learning curve is extremely shallow [...]

Maybe - but they have yet to master the art of hiding irrelevant bells and
whistles, and there's a great deal that could be done to make Eclipse
more friendly to beginners - IMO.

It's virtues tend to outnumber drawbacks like this, though.

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grk@usa.net - 25 Jul 2005 17:35 GMT

There's documentation for Eclipse? :-)

I switched to Eclipse from Emacs (in Linux) about 4 or 5 months ago and
have never looked back. I love it.

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Roedy Green - 24 Jul 2005 10:16 GMT

>what's recommended?

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/ide.html

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Gordon Freeman - 24 Jul 2005 14:01 GMT

ppcguy 写道:

> i use java sdk - straight download from java.com site
> and Windows.
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> thanks - free is always good

I am with netbeans 4.1, i like it.

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Andrew Thompson - 24 Jul 2005 14:31 GMT

> I am with netbeans 4.1, i like it.

Yes.. but the real question is, does *it* like *you*,
..or is it just after your code? [ ;-) ]

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Jeroen Wenting - 24 Jul 2005 18:40 GMT

>i use java sdk - straight download from java.com site
> and Windows.
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>
> what's recommended?

LOL, ask a thousand people and get a thousand answers.
This question is asked so often it's not funny anymore, with literally
hundreds (if not thousands) of options to choose from there's someone
advocating all of them.

> thanks - free is always good

no it's not. Most free options are low quality, incomplete, or don't meet
your requirements.

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Stefan Schulz - 24 Jul 2005 18:48 GMT

> no it's not. Most free options are low quality, incomplete, or don't meet
> your requirements.

Hmm, tell that to the eclipse team. ;) Well, i for one dig eclipse, as
probably known by now, but i won't get into a flamewar about it.

Facts about Eclipse:

* Very pluggable, easily extended
* On-the-fly compilation makes errors visible right away
* Very good (IMHO) refactoring capabilities
* Good code assist and other bells and whistles
* Very good debugger integration
* absolutely free

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jfalt - 25 Jul 2005 14:12 GMT

You really cant go wrong with NetBeans or Eclipse.

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David Segall - 25 Jul 2005 16:29 GMT

>>i use java sdk - straight download from java.com site
>> and Windows.
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>no it's not. Most free options are low quality, incomplete, or don't meet
>your requirements.

That is probably true but it is also probably true of the programs you
pay for. Of the seven full-featured IDE's only one comes exclusively
in a paid version. My definition of full-featured means that it has to
include a drag and drop GUI developer.

Borland's JBuilder
<http://www.borland.com/us/products/jbuilder/index.html>. The
Foundation Edition is free.

Eclipse <www.eclipse.org> plus VEP <http://www.eclipse.org/vep/>) is
free and open source.

IBM's Websphere (or is it Rational?)
<http://www-8.ibm.com/software/au/websphere/>. The Java IDE is built
on Eclipse but I have totally lost track of even the name of the IDE
product. I'm sure you can build something similar at no cost with
Eclipse and some extra stuff from IBM including their free developer
DB2 but you would probably have to buy IBM's product to know what to
build.

IntelliJ IDEA http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ is the exception.

NetBeans <www.netneans.org> is free and open source.

Oracle's JDeveloper
<http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/index.html> is free.

Sun's Java Studio
<http://www.sun.com/software/products/jsenterprise/index.xml>
is based on NetBeans and you can build an almost identical development
platform from free software but you won't have Sun support.

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steve - 31 Jul 2005 22:55 GMT

> i use java sdk - straight download from java.com site
> and Windows.
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>
> thanks - free is always good

try Jdeveloper from oracle.
as of last month, a $1,000us+ package is now totally FREE.
they have released it to the community.

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